AD #2747 – Carlos Ghosn Rips Japan & Nissan; VW May Never Hit Level 5 Autonomy; New AV Guidelines Released

January 9th, 2020 at 11:44am

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Runtime: 7:20

0:24 Carlos Ghosn Rips Japan & Nissan
1:03 China’s Sales Slide Slowing
1:51 Even More Takata Airbags Recalled
2:35 Auto Lobbying Groups Join Forces
3:13 VW Says Level 5 Autonomy May Never Happen
4:33 U.S. Government Releases New AV Guidelines
5:20 Magna Improves Driver Monitoring Systems

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37 Comments to “AD #2747 – Carlos Ghosn Rips Japan & Nissan; VW May Never Hit Level 5 Autonomy; New AV Guidelines Released”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    So it sounds like the Magna monitoring system allows you take your eyes off the wheel for longer periods of time if there isn’t anything you need to be aware of. Makes sense! Now can we get a system that allows you to run 4-way stops when no one else is coming?

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    I agree with VW that level 5 autonomy is a long way off and yes that shouldn’t keep anyone from still trying to get there, but these articles that fool the public into thinking we wont be driving in the next ten years is reminiscent of the 50s and 60s when they said we would all have flying cars by 2000. Just a bit optimistic.

  3. Kate McLeod Says:

    I think we know that the Japanese justice system has a +90% conviction rate and perhaps Ghosn was right to try to get a fair trial. However, I look at the expenses the man put on his companies. Have a hard time being sympathetic to a man who has a huge salary and then needs to cheat his company and its employees #lecostcutter by getting the corporation to pay for a yacht and oversized homes on several continents. Speaks of a trumpish, self-centered, egotistical personality.

  4. Larry D. Says:

    ‘Carlos’: everything that came out of the mouth of this disgusting crook is 100% pure, USDA choice, bovine excrement. He did not give even ONE little bit of useful info. Anybody who continues to listen to this clown are wasting their time.

    China sales. ICE sales may still be soft in 2020, BUT BEV sales, greatly helped by the MUCH cheaper prices for the (now locally made and sold in Shanghai Plant) Model3 and later Model Y should really go up a lot.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    Auto lobbyists. While it is good for them that they united instead of having two opposing groups, if they waste their time and $ promoting all this BS AV crap that the consumer NEVER asked -for and has said they do NOT want (especially if it raises the price of their next car by $5 and $10k, but even if the makers ABSORB the loss), they are bigger fools than I thought.

  6. Larry D. Says:

    3 The US would have a 99% conviction rate if most crooks don’t lawyer up, prosecutors are incompetent and/or corrupt (see OJ trial) AND criminals that are as guilty as sin walk free on TECHNICALITIES.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 U.S. conviction rates are far too low, especially for “white collar” crime, like millions of dollars of Medicare/Medicaid fraud that one of my senators oversaw. I could be wrong, but I’ll be surprised if the UAW crooks spend much, or any time in jail either.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    7 Speaking of the UAW crooks, even the current UAW prez (or interim prez) does not seem to be squeaky clean, the Feds are looking into his record, as reported the last couple days. But aren’t all these UAW crooks BLUE collar criminals?

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 It a way, they are “blue collar” crooks, in the organization they “lead,” but the top officials are more “white collar,” in the nature of their function.

  10. Albemarle Says:

    Our buddy Carlos may be guilty or not, time will tell. However, I have sympathy for how the Japanese legal system has treated him. He’s charged with a white collar crime but thrown in jail for months awaiting trial. He’s not allowed to see or even communicate with his wife or family. What’s she going to do; break into Nissan and destroy records? Hardly, considering it’s Nissan that is pushing all this. Companies jerking around the legal system is not something one would expect from a modern democracy. I am very disappointed in Japan. I expected much more.

  11. Albemarle Says:

    I think if we spent some time developing better seatbelts and systems that force their use, we could empty our vehicles of these bombs called airbags once and for all. How many cars are written off after an accident simply because the airbags went off?

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    11 Better question is; how many lifes are saved with airbags that would likely be lost with only wearing a seatbelt? Pretty difficult to determine that, but your right I’ve seen some cars not too badly damaged but totalled due to the cost of all the airbags that need to be replaced.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11,12 A couple years ago, my sister was in a Subaru Forester when a car turned left in front of her. Her ~1 year old car was written off, I suspect partly because of the many air bags going off. She and here passenger were unhurt, so the air bags did their job, or at least didn’t cause any harm. A passenger in the other vehicle had minor injuries, but the nature of the crash was probably worse for the people in that vehicle, which was hit in the side.

    11 I suspect racing style harnesses would protect drivers and passengers as well as, or better than air bags plus current belts, but not many motorists would want to wear them.

  14. merv Says:

    really enjoyed that report on driver monitoring from magna,some very cool tech.

  15. Buzzerd Says:

    It’s my understanding that a properly fitted seatbelt will protect you from most frontal impacts, side impacts area different story. An airbag is what is needed a lot of the time. Which brings us to round a bouts……

  16. Albemarle Says:

    Last winter, while driving with a friend in her Passat, a car slid through an intersection, crossed over to us and hit us on the left front. All very slow speed, less than 10 mph but a slippery road as you can imagine. Anywho, just about every air bag went off in the Passat. The airbags touched none of us. It was a pain climbing out under the side airbags as they stayed rock hard.
    I am familiar with impacts between cars from my misbegotten youth, and there was absolutely no reason for the airbags to inflate. Needless to say the Passat was a write off.

    Perhaps all we need are better sensors that go off when there would be injury without the airbag.

  17. Buzzerd Says:

    @16 the airbags really seem hit and miss, I’ve responded to many head on collisions where the bags haven’t gone off, one where the guy centre punched a tree at speed destroying the truck and no airbags???

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 It sounds like VW needs to work on the calibrations for their air bag deployment.

  19. cwolf Says:

    My 5’4″ sister had a slow speed frontal accident at an intersection. The airbag broke her nose and blackened both eyes. They are not kind to short people who sit close to the pedal.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 Also, it’s probably good to have the steering wheel adjusted low. Also, I’ve heard/read that you should have the wheel at least 10 inches away from your head/chest, and if the wheel won’t adjust that far when the seat is the right place to work the pedals, recline the seatback more.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Of course, in the real world, most people adjust everything for comfort, not for a crash.

  22. cwolf Says:

    When I had an upholstery shop, I used to help install airbags in the steering wheel. It is not only a chore, but quite dangerous if careless. If there is any measurable charge in the system, the bag can deploy during installation. Just disconnecting the battery is not enough. It has to be completely grounded!
    I’ve seen many go off and the service manager was not happy eating the cost.

  23. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, On a slow news day, maybe you should do a profile of Larry D. It appears he has done a lot of interesting things in his life and knows … well, everything.

  24. Bobby T Says:

    23, hey great idea. Maybe on AAH. LOL

  25. Bob Wilson Says:

    Late KUDOS to Shawn on the tools. I just finished replacing the front and rear, passenger side, wheel bearings on my Model 3 and though it took time, it also showed: (1) quality tools count, and (2) EVs can be joy to work on. But perhaps you might do a short program on the difficult life of an auto mechanic.

    My understanding is service centers are a lot rougher on mechanics than the often too ignorant sales critters in the front office. Mechanics have to fund their own tools and working conditions often lead to limited opportunities for growth. I know of one mechanic who left autos to work on medical equipment with a significant improvement in income and working conditions. Then there is ‘right to repair.’

    I’m appalled at the lengths manufacturers go to make fixing our cars into a monopoly for their service centers. Even Tesla’s hands are not clean and there are States that forbid Tesla doing any repairs. A retired engineer and Tesla owner, I like a challenge but my repair could have been done by any competent tire shop. Of course, what is time to the retired?

    BTW, the car is fully operational and a quiet dream to drive. I use ‘chill’ mode and still reach the speed limit first.

  26. RW Says:

    #23 Kevin A,
    I don’t post very often but I do read all these post’s almost daily. Actually I stopped posting due to Larry and all his counter posts to everybody.
    I don’t need the aggravation nor the back and forth irritating counter arguments that he offers. Too frigin old for that now.
    I feel that other’s I have seen post over the many years (well over a decade) that I’ve been watching AD and AAH, were civil and not at all so argumentative and narcissistic.
    So I made my post for the year and nobody will probably see it.

  27. RW Says:

    Kevin A, let me say that I never typed the phrase after my name: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
    Don’t know where that came from. My intent was to agree with you.
    God bless all you motor heads and I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts and clicking on the links you provide to help me stay educated on the industry.
    I have others in my sphere that are gearheads and enjoy the knowledge I impart to them with what I learn on this site.

    I started watching Autoline weekly on PBS and then the Speed channel -I guess 20 years or so ago and then the Autoline Daily show followed by the AAH show after that. So it’s been a long time and I’ve enjoyed all of it. That is until this butthead has overtaken the comments section. His aggressive and inconsiderate, egotistical comments have distracted from the normal conversation we all used to have.


  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    23 It would just be a show about the stellar performance of Tesla and guess what car I saw on my walk today.

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    25 Some states banned the sales of Teslas but they also banned any service? That seems negligent and an over-reach of power. So those states are okay with people buying Teslas out of state but okay with getting their cut of sales tax and licensing fees but are also okay with them sharing the road while possibly in need of service? I guess it takes someone dying before they realize that servicing a product doesn’t conflict with their “sales thru dealership only” laws.
    Another situation where the laws need to keep up with the times and technology. Used cars are already ordered on-line and delivered to your home, exchanged out like a used washing machine. New cars should be no different.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    26, Instead, guess who is giving Musk $2 billion towards his German Gigafactory. If it isn’t low MPG dirty FCA! And with good reason, to help itself pass the emissions reqs in the much stricter Euro market.

    As for what I saw around here, yesterday I had to drive to the stupid Post Office to send a letter to a colleague and old friend who does not do emails (he is 20 years older and lives in Berlin and Bremen, Germany). Wasted half an hour to buy a stupid $1.15 stamp.

    Anyway, seeing a model 3 around here is like seeing a Harley when they have their Sturgis convention or whatever they call it. Not many Model Ss or Xs any more, but a TON of Model 3s. Specifically, I saw a black one on my way to the Post office, AND when I returned and parked at a nearby supermarket, there was ANOTHER Black one, this one with a handicapped sticker. +And all that in Tesla Hostile MI where they are not even allowed to Service their cars! (not that they will need much service).

    It is obvious where all the ACTION will be in the next few years. And it will sure not be in Mary Barra’s GM or Humpty Dumpty’s Ford.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    In my part of Florida, I don’t see many Teslas, even though there are no Michigan-like laws preventing sales and service. and there are no anti-EV taxes, as in some states. I suspect it is because a majority of people on my barrier island would have the same issue that I would, no place to charge at home.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    29 How expensive would it be to electrify some parking places in your condo complex? I bet if you ran for the board (usually nobody wants to do this in my complex and it is a few very old single women and widows who do it) you could convince them to at least do a pilot program. I am thinking of the no-frills chargers at the Chinese U I worked in Nov 2019, which were totally absent in my first visit there for 3 weeks in May-June 16. There is very little structure to them, just a line with electric current and a thing that looks like a parking meter where you can plug-in. Hundreds of parking places (outdoors parking too) had them there.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 It probably wouldn’t be too expensive to have a few 120v chargers, but the “community” power would not accommodate much more, like 240v “class 2″ chargers. The complex is kind of spread out, with 12 buildings and ~240 units, but there is a fairly “central” area, away from the buildings, that could be a good place for charge stations. If I move down here full time, I might run for the board. For now, one board member is looking into options, but probably not in a very serious way.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    33 I have 360 units in mine, each two-storied 2 or 3 bedroom and one car garage, with common walls, in groups usually of four units per ‘building’. The grounds are extensive, takes half an hour to walk around. In our case we can use our own plugs to charge so I doubt anybody will bring up the topic.

    There is no serious manufacturing nearby, so most of the pollution is from all the ICE cars and buses, the association mowers and tractors, and the natural gas heating and A/C of the units. I assume it is the same there, so residents may view it favorably if they see they will have cleaner air.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 140 of our units are in 5 story, 7 unit per floor buildings. The other buildings are two and three story, with 12-18 units per building. The 5 dtory buildings have a garage per unit, in separate buildings with about 12-20 garages per building. The garages have “community” power intended for only a light or two and a door opener, no refrigerators, and no car charging. There are several garages on a single 20 amp breaker. We have found that the utility company won’t install 240v service in a garage with a separate meter, even if a customer would pay for it.

    The units in the two and three story buildings have an assigned carport, and a few of these are located where an extension cord out a window could be used to charge a car, but for most units, and all units in the 5 story buildings, cord out a window charging would not work.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    I went through many boxes of old Motorweeks since the late 80s and recycled about 2/3rds of them and kept the ones with tests and articles I was interested in. I found an article about my E class (in its initial year, when it included no diesels, just the E 320 and the E 500), and interestingly, they also thought that the styling of the car makes it look almost like a coupe, as I did a few days ago here in the discussion about mismatched or poor classifications by EPA fuel econ site.

  37. Ukendoit Says:

    RW, I also started watching Autoline weekly on PBS and then the Speed channel, followed by the online content back in 2008 or so. I also watch daily and enjoy the comments daily. I don’t often add my input, and I suspect there are many viewers that do the same as you and I.
    I don’t mind the comments from your antagonist. He receives a lot of well deserved tongue-in-cheek jabs and his responses are sometimes over the top, but even though he is very opinionated, I overlook that and do glean some insight from his vast experiences. When the rants don’t drag on, I find them entertaining.