AD #2751 – Genesis Introduces 1st SUV; GMC Unveils New Yukon; Biggest Sales Losers In 2019

January 15th, 2020 at 12:02pm

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Runtime: 10:51

0:07 Big Truck Sales Up In 2019
0:40 Biggest Sales Losers In 2019
1:29 Faraday Could Earn Billions from Data Monetization
2:44 GMC Unveils New Yukon
4:16 GMC Terrain Gets AT4 Trim
4:50 Genesis Unveils 1st SUV
5:39 You Said It!
7:48 Automakers Adopt UVeye Scanners
8:44 Supplier Schaeffler Joins Hydrogen Council
9:35 Honda & Isuzu Partner to Test Fuel Cells

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61 Comments to “AD #2751 – Genesis Introduces 1st SUV; GMC Unveils New Yukon; Biggest Sales Losers In 2019”

  1. Bob Wilson Says:

    “Data mining” proposed by Faraday presumes a user base. Tesla already has +400,000 cars in daily contact with their servers. I’m not sure the claimed value of this data is of value except for the improved Tesla modeling of their SuperCharger network and user driving experience. In 10 years, Faraday will be late.

  2. GM Veteran Says:

    From my viewpoint, the front end styling of the new Yukon has gone from classy to cartoonish. They should confine the gargantuan grille competition to the HD pickups.

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    I like the new styling, most buyers want there truck to look truckish. Still waiting for a new Avalanche which I suspect is never going to happen.

  4. Victor West Says:

    I am wondering about the longevity of the new 1.0, 1.3, and 1.5 liter motors in many of the new cars like the Trail Blazer and other small SUVs. A lot of stress on such a small motor and the boxy vehicles.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    2 I have to agree that the new Yukon looks too square and boxy. I think GM is making a mistake with this new bold look. The side profile could easily be mistaken for the Ford Excursion which hasn’t sold as well. I believe the appeal to many consumers of GM’s large SUV was it was a elegant refined look that wasn’t so truck like. I also believe the reason for that is many of them replaced the old minivan and are being driven by todays soccer moms who occasionally haul 6 kids around but don’t exactly want a lifted up aggressive looking truck. Guess we will see.

  6. WineGeek Says:

    Hey how do I shut off those in car ads they are proposing? Give me a break I am going to pay mucho thousands of $ for a car then be bombarded with ads for who knows what so the manufacturers can make even more money on me. Just show me the off switch for the ads and I might consider buying one of their cars if it is a really good performer that is cheap to run.

    Do these guys really believe this fairy tale or are they just trying to bilk the investment community?

  7. GM Veteran Says:

    The AT4 trim is another disappointment from the marketing geniuses at GM. It is supposed to signify off-roading capability, yet the equipment varies significantly from model to model, with some being well equipped for off-road driving and others merely being window dressing. It lacks any integrity, proven by your story where the items you mention that are common on this trim level on all GMC models have absolutely nothing to do with off-road capability, (“all AT4 models have a more rugged exterior look, black chrome grille, fog light surrounds and rear badging as well as unique interior touches”). Where are the skid plates, larger tires and longer travel suspension components? They could take a lesson from Jeep, whose Trail Rated badge (and now Trailhawk trim level), means that it has the goods to go off-road and has successfully traversed the Rubicon Trail.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    Who would have guessed, developing safety devices to prevent terrorism would render a great inspection for oil leaks, rust, dents and damage?
    The clip you showed reminded me of the lengths drug smugglers go through to get product into the US. Back when I worked in the exhaust industry our aftermarket group would test replacement exhaust on old cars from a local dealership. In turn they would get a new exhaust for free. We got in this car and tried to put an exhaust system on it only to find the routing had been modified like the one in your clip with the exhaust under the rocker. They made a false floor to store the drugs undercoated it and had moved the exhaust. The dealership had no idea what had been done to the car. Have to say they actually did pretty good work cause it didn’t stand out too much. Like how many noticed it on the car during todays show?

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Where, again is this hydrogen going to come from? There are few places in the world that it comes out of wells in the ground, but not in huge quantities. Electrolyzing water makes no sense, when the electricity can be used more efficiently in other ways.

    Yeah, I’ve heard that H2 can be extracted from tar sands and oil in the ground, but CO2 is a product of the reaction so what’t the point of that? It sounds like a lot of companies are on the hydrogen fuel cell band wagon, though.

  10. GM Veteran Says:

    I also have serious doubts about the “monetizing of data” stories that keep coming out.
    Who will be buying all of this data?
    How much of it do they really need, year in and year out?
    If they are not buying it now (or not much of it), where will they get the budget to buy trillions of dollars of data?
    The cost of this will have to be passed along to consumers. If they start pricing themselves out of the market for their product, will they reduce or stop buying the data?

    This just seems like an awfully big new marketing expense that isn’t really necessary. It may ramp up for awhile, but I predict that companies will quickly realize that they don’t really need it. And that will trigger a data “price war” among providers and a rapid end to this foolishness. My data is simply not worth that much!

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 While I don’t like it at all, it seems that the “macho look” goes over well with a lot of Americans. Look at the Subaru Outback. They took a perfectly good Legacy wagon, and gave it a lift kit and plastic body cladding, and quadrupled the sales. That is a turn off to me, but I’m not a typical car buyer in America.

  12. Buzzerd Says:

    @7 GM seems to always do that, water down a good thing. I’m sure an AT4 Terrain is supper duper off roadie!

  13. Buzzerd Says:

    @11 Not that I’m such a fan of all the off road pretense but living in the snow belt having more ground clearance and some extra protection in the wheel wells isn’t such a bad thing.

  14. Brett Cammack Says:

    9
    The only sensible application I’ve seen for fuel cells (besides space capsules) was in Texas City, Texas where GM had a couple of semi-trailers full of their developmental fuel cell systems. (early 2000s)

    They had them parked at the local refinery and were using the byproduct hydrogen to power the plant. If you have to create the hydrogen on purpose to power the fuel cell, the economics go to Hell pretty quickly.

  15. GM Veteran Says:

    Okay, so Faraday Future (who has yet to sell their first car), is going to rake in $16 a year on a fleet of 10 million vehicles. So, how much will GM, Ford, Toyota, FCA, Nissan, VW, etc. make on their MUCH larger fleets? The supply of data is going to dramatically overwhelm the demand, and in a very short time frame.

    Faraday Future is an optimistic company, but 10 million vehicle sales in ten years? I can’t imagine that, even when I wear my rose-colored glasses!

  16. Brett Cammack Says:

    Thinking that GV80 is going to sell well.

  17. GM Veteran Says:

    Sorry, that should be $16 billion on a fleet of 10 million vehicles.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    10 I think they expect this data to be like the information our smart phones and Google does already. Have you ever noticed soon as you do a search for something on your phone you get ads about it? Hell I was not even on my phone and having a random conversation about something obscure like the price of tea in China. Next day I’m getting ads for Chinese Tea. I know it sounds like its some kind of conspiracy thing and some might say listening to our conversations is. But I think its just gathering of data to market to us. So this data from your car like shops you visit and restaurants they can send you coupons. I doubt the data is worth quite what they think but I can see how it would be useful for companies to target people. If you visit Bass Pro shop well Cabela’s would like to send you their sales flyer.

  19. Drew Says:

    @5 – Ford hasn’t built an Excursion in over 14 years. Perhaps that is why it’s sales are so poor.

    The Expedition, on the other hand, is sell No very well. As it is assembled in the same plant at the Super Duty and Navigator, it’s capacity is limited.

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    12 Yea kinda like when Dodge offered the Journey in an RT version with same engine and transmission. So the road and track version consisted of stripes. oooooh!

  21. Drew Says:

    Sean, the new Yukon seems to be increasing the differentiation versus the Tahoe/Suburban, and increasing the differentiation for the Denali trim. Photos in the Detroit News show a unique instrument panel for the Denali.

    Also, congratulations to GM for adopting an independent rear suspension, ala 2003 Expedition (18 years later!).

  22. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 Ahe yes Expedition, good catch. :-)
    Big truck similar looking name both Fords.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 I think that GV80 looks pretty good, for an SUV, and I like that green.

    19 The thing I remember about the Excursion when it was introduced, was that it weighed at least 1000 pounds more than a Suburban, but had less cabin space and towing capacity. Most of the few I still see have a really noisy, stinky diesel. A couple days ago, one was parked at a McDonalds, with the engine idling, stinking up the whole area.

  24. Drew Says:

    19 Typos —- The Expedition… is selling very well.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 They also had a Grand Caravan R/T. I saw one at my condo a couple days ago. Fortunately, Dodge has quit using R/T as a “trim level,” and all current R/Ts, Charger, Challenger, and Durango have at least the 5.7 “hemi” V8.

  26. Drew Says:

    23 – Ah, the Excursion Valdez. That SUV was the poster child for the anti-SUV sentiment (particularly Keith Naughton from the NYT) and triggered regulatory changes to expand under 8500# GVW regulations to under 10,000# GVW vehicles.

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 The Ford is selling well in comparison to itself. 2018 sales were only 54,661 and 2019 was up to 86,422 a good jump. But in comparison to the GM which sold 178,829 in 2018 and 175,862 in 2019 the Ford isn’t selling half of what GM is.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    23 The gas Excursion had a dismal MPG of 9 or 10, but Motorweek had a long term Diesel which got 100% more, 19+ MPG.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    2, 4, 10: Agree 100%

  30. Larry D. Says:

    16 You are aware that all Genesis models, even its 3 series rival, have had truly dismal sales so far?

  31. Larry D. Says:

    As far as the Genesis SUV, the Q is, is it a clone of the Kia Telluride and Hyundai Palisade, or is it much bigger and more powerful than they are? (not that I would ever bother to test drive, let alone buy one; today i was too lazy to even test drive the G 90 big sedan with its 400ish HP and Torque, when I drove to the dentist at noon for a brief 5 min appt.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    11 Subarus were always ugly ducklings, although the white wagon my neighbor got looks quite good. Their impressive success lately is more due to great marketing, clever ads (that work for their intended audience) and a perception as plain Janes who can be quite useful to dog owners, esp in the snowbelt.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    so in AAH this Thu, any idea what new investigation of his Munro will be presenting (if anything, or will he just be a panel member)?

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I don’t know how big the Q thing is, but it’s definitely not a clone of the Telluride/Palisade. The 2wd Genesis is rear drive, while the Kia/Hyundai are front drive.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 Most Subarus are also pretty good values. My sister has a mid-trim Forester, which is pretty well equipped with leather, some of the new safety gadgets, etc., and the sticker was under $30K. I doubt if she got it for much under sticker, but it was still a good value, if you want that sort of vehicle.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    Wikipedia describes the GV80 as “MIDSIZE”. its engines are not much more powerful than those of the T/P. Another site claims the GV80 is roughly as large as the BMW X5, so it’s actually smaller than the T and P. If they price it right, it might sell better than the sedans, but not by much, given that the 70 is a cheap 3 series almost Civic-sized car, that should have sold a ton of units, esp with all the ‘employee of the month’ awards it got, but it did not.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genesis_GV80

  37. Larry D. Says:

    35 the three row Subaru Ascent is really good value at $31k if you don’t go for the options. Easily undercuts even the domestic 3-row SUVs, let alone those from Japan.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 The G70 did get a lot of awards, considering the so-so review it got from CR. CR ranked it 2nd to the Audi A4 of “luxury compact cars,” but that appears to be mainly because it had better reliability survey results than many others. The “road test” score of the Genesis was below most of the competition. Also, it was slower and thirstier than similarly equipped (turbo 4, automatic) A4, C-Class, and 3 series. The Gen recommends regular gas, though, while the Germans all recommend, or “require” premium.

  39. MJB Says:

    That Genesis GV80 is one handsome SUV. I’d buy it.

  40. Brett Cammack Says:

    30
    You’re aware, of course, that sedan sales have fallen off a cliff, making it rather fallacious to set your expectations on how a new SUV is going to sell based on their market performance.

    Unrelated subject:
    The other day, sitting at a traffic light, I watched a late-model Kia SUV roll up behind me. The thought struck me that the corporate grill shape on a Kia almost seems designed to tickle your subconscious pattern matching system the same way a BMW twin kidney grill might. Do you suppose they could possibly be *that* subtle over at Kia?

  41. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Larry – A quick search resulted in this from Road Show by CNET, “The GV80 rides on a new, rear-wheel-drive platform that’ll soon underpin other Genesis products, namely, the next-generation G80 sedan.”

  42. Mac Says:

    Had to laugh at the diesel-powered charging station image. Actually saw a diesel-powered generator on a trailer with signage indicating it’s a portable EV charging station. Hilarious!

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41 Based on the engines the QV80 will use, it looks like the n/a V6 will probably go away in the G80. That non-turbo engine is part of why a friend bought a G80.

  44. steve Says:

    To the host of this Great show:A hair cut and a beard trim would be very appropriate to go with your new background set.Thanks

  45. Larry D. Says:

    41 Thanks for the info, I had already seen posts here that said it was RWD, but new platform too, they are really splurging.

  46. Larry D. Says:

    40 I am 100% correct and you are really unaware of everything.

    Sedan LOSER sales have fallen off, SUCCESSFUL Sedans are setting RECORDS, such as the Tesla Model 3, which is a competitor to the G 70, in the same price range,or even pricier, and sells TEN to TWENTY TIMES what the pitiful Genesis G70 sells.

    Similarly with the Accord and the Camry, the 3 series and the E class and all kinds of other GOOD sedans, they are doing JUST FINE thank you. Do look at the detailed sales numbers, maybe you will be much better informed if you do.

  47. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2020/01/does-mileage-matter-hottest-porsche-taycans-range-revealed-debate-ensues/

    Some here found the 310+ mile range of Teslas inadequate to take them to the track. I would be curious to see how they compare them to the ranges of the Porsche Taycan “Turbo”, at almost twice the price, which has puny range below even 200 miles.

  48. Larry D. Says:

    46 PS As it stands, the EPA rates the Turbo S at the equivalent of 68 mpg (MPGe). In contrast, the Tesla Model S Performance with its 100 kWh pack earns a 97 MPGe rating and goes the distance at 326 miles.

    Note that the Taycan So-called “Turbo S” sells for close to $200k.

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    46 No EV would work for a typical “track day,” except possibly a Model 3, if you had a “supercharger” on site. Well, also the Taycan would work, if you had one of their 600v fast chargers on site.

    I’m still curious as to why the Taycan is so inefficient. The most likely reason would seem to be the motors, but with electric motors almost a commodity, why are the ones Porsche uses so bad?

  50. Larry D. Says:

    48 the most appropriate Tesla for the track, the Roadster 2.0., has a range of 620 miles and can easily do all the track it wants and even go to and from the track without recharging.

  51. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If roadster 2.0 loses 80%+ of its normal range on a track, like other EVs, even it would be marginal.

  52. Lambo2015 Says:

    If you want to race electric cars. Save yourself 30K+ and here you can drive at 370mph. Includes a jump.
    https://www.amazon.com/Carrera-63504-Speed-Battery-Operated/dp/B07PKDN44F/ref=asc_df_B07PKDN44F/?tag=bingshoppinga-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=&hvpos=&hvnetw=o&hvrand=&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=e&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=&hvtargid=pla-4584207582771651&psc=1

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    51 I was never any good at slot car racing, but raced r/c buggies for a few years, and was fairly good at that. It was a fun winter alternative to model airplane flying for a few years, when there were 25 or 30 people racing two evenings a week on an indoor track.

  54. Larry D. Says:

    51 you are not really reasonable here. If the Roadster indeed has 620 miles range, even if it gets 1/6th of it ONLY for the pure track miles, it can still do plenty, as I said, and still go to the track and back on its own power. And this under the 100% worst case scenario, that you will not able to recharge it while you wait for your next turn at the track and all that.

    Three times the range (or 420 miles more range than) of the Taycan so-called “Turbo S” is not the same range.

  55. Bob Wilson Says:

    The link is to “carwow” YouTube driving to exhaustion: Tesla Model 3, Audi e-tron, Jaguar I-Pace, Nissan Leaf, Kia e-Niro, and Mercedes EQC.

  56. Kit Gerhart Says:

    54 Have you ever done a “track day”? I’ve only done one, but it included five or six, 20 minute sessions. I drove about 100 miles each way to get there. If the average speed on the track was 60 mph, probably close, and good for easy calculation, that would be 100 miles of track driving for the day, if there were 5 sessions.

    Take the (so far non-existent) Roadster 2.0. Drive it from my home in Indiana to the track, and there’s 520 miles of range left. Then drive the 100 miles on the track, and you run out of juice and coast to a stop during the 5th session on the track. OK, you probably don’t coast to a stop; the car will cut power way down, so you can get to the paddock, and maybe to a charger somewhere. With a gas car, either you arrive at the track with a full tank, or might need to get gas, but many, or most tracks have gas available on-site, or if not, it’s available a short distance from the track, and you can fill it up in five minutes.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    55 Great video

  58. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYokHWi40u0

    short (7 mins) and sweet. An owner who put 40,000 miles on his Model 3 tells you exactly how much it cost to own and run it.

  59. Stephen Says:

    The fact is that most car buyers are not driving longer yearly mileage especially millenials who are choosing to stay near city centres and prefer cities with more public transport. So many small engines are barely stressed. Even truck buyers are not towing or using their purchases for the stresses and demands they are designed for. Big large engines might be under less stress but the pain is heavy fuel consumption, weight, build cost, engine space required and safety in designing the engine not to be a meteorite when it hits an object.

  60. Stephen Says:

    With average car price sticker cost rising, Subaru has succeeded by offering a cheap AWD saloon range. The engineering is pretty well established so reliability is above average (useful in the “snow” belt). Subaru however faces the same challenges as small car makers- cutting its carbon emissions or lose access to whole sections of urban buyers with limited capital to do it inhouse. In Europe Subaru barely sells as rugged vehicles have a limited market. Euro winterbelt Buyers go for used premium 4wd SUVs and switch to winter/snow tyres every Autumn without fail. That and having better torque from diesel engines…

  61. Stephen Says:

    As Ford found out (Jaguar-Volvo) and many other new premium sub-brands have found out (Acura/Infiniti/Alfa-Romeo/Peugeot DS, Saab) the investment cost to get on the short-list for a premium purchase is enormous while sales are low, keeping dealers engaged difficult and investing in motorsport risky and superexpensive. Lexus is a rare win, Volvo is a rare near death recovery. Audi threads a fine line between a reskined VW and a well reviewed white elephant.
    What has won is cheaper brands (Skoda-Seat/Dacia/Jeep) that don’t invest in brand halo but offer much the same as full brands but consumers understand the trade-off over more expensive choices. Too cheap and buyers prefer used western cars. GMC does that and allows buyers to spend more on (profitable) upgrades. What underpins all these are cheap truck platforms that offer poor emissions and fuel economy. WHat happens when the casual truck buyer deserts the car makers and the new “rich” in India/China/Asia/Africa cannot afford premium car costs and never will

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