AD #2792 – UAW Workers Worried About Lockdown; GM Hopes EVs Bring in New Buyers; Toyota Develops Airless Painting

March 12th, 2020 at 11:51am

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Runtime: 9:08

0:07 LMC Automotive Predicts Global Sales Fall
0:57 UAW Workers Especially Worried About Lockdown
1:20 Parts Shortages Could Make Customers Angry
2:13 Chinese Market May Have Bottomed Out
2:52 GM Hopes EVs Bring Buyers Back to the Brand
3:52 Toyota Develops Airless Painting System
5:30 What Makes Honda’s CR-V Hybrid Unique
6:52 IIHS Says Drivers Need to be Kept Engaged
8:01 Ford Helps Keep Cars on the Road

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43 Comments to “AD #2792 – UAW Workers Worried About Lockdown; GM Hopes EVs Bring in New Buyers; Toyota Develops Airless Painting”

  1. GM Veteran Says:

    Have you guys ever seen Mary Barra at any meeting NOT wearing her black leather jacket? It seems like her standard uniform, but also seems kind of out of place when Mark Reuss is wearing a suit. Just curious because I can’t recall any instance of her making a speech or presentation in any other outfit.

  2. Marshy Says:

    With those plant closure numbers, is the average output of a plant really 75-100k? That seems really low.

    Or is it a case of the low running (slow selling) plants are the first to go?

  3. Marshy Says:

    Re the airless bell- eliminating the air is a big cost savings but most of the air used on modern bells is for shaping the cone of paint headed for the car. This isn’t addressed in the media. In fact, almost everything said applies to bell applicator tech for the last 20 years.


  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 Yeah we have been using bell applicators like shown in the Toyota segment for years. This is nothing new.

    On the UAW members bringing in their own hand sanitizer hopefully they are educated to that although hand sanitizer does wonders for bacteria it doesn’t do anything to stop the spread of a virus. Soap warm water and bleach is what they need not hand sanitizer.

  5. cwolf Says:

    Lambo, I have to disagree with you about hand sanitizers.
    These gels and sprays kill germs, which would then kill bacteria, fungus and virus. Each is a germ.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    If automakers are really concerned with parts shortages and if they were smart they would start placing orders now. Service parts account for a very small % of production time in relation to the actual production requirements.

    Carrying an extra month or two of inventory going into a possible shut down could elevate shortages. Repair/service parts will still be needed even if production ceases. Its a simple fix but requires some forethought.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    5 Then you should probably talk to your Dr. Bacteria is much different than a virus and yes hand sanitizer will kill germs and bacteria but they do not kill viruses. If you don’t believe me google it. When they sanitize they need to do it with a mixture of bleach. Trust me on this.

  8. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Hand sanitizers can kill certain viruses; noted the flu virus. I suspect that the Corona virus would be subject to sanitation from these type hand cleaners. Washing you hands (properly) trumps the ‘gels’ but I wouldn’t hesitate to use the hand sanitizers if I couldn’t wash (at a location). That said, there was reports that masks were ineffective, that is blatantly false; not total protection but effective from spreading from an infected person to blocking aerosols from infected persons (to a mask wearer).

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ve read that high alcohol sanitizers kill coronavirus, but not some other viruses because of structural differences. Soap and water apparently works better in about all cases, though.

  10. TheNickThomas Says:

    I fail to see how Cadillac’s Super Cruise doesn’t already do everything IIHS is suggesting. Sounds like advice more for a certain Californian company…

  11. Brett Cammack Says:

    I posted this earlier, but it went God-knows-where and so I am reposting. Forgive me if it becomes redundant.

    The alpha female is displaying her position within the pack. She dresses as she pleases. It’s a subtle projection of power.

  12. John McElroy Says:

    #1. When Mary Barra made her first appearances as CEO she was criticized for having limp hair and frumpy clothing–something no male exec would ever be criticized for. So her handlers gave her a make-over and she’s stuck to it. Besides, the new look agrees with her.
    She’s not the only one who got a make-over. Everyone from Mark Fields to Dan Amman adopted the Silicon Valley look: loafers, jeans and a sport coat. Of course, they still haven’t gone full California on us. They still tuck their shirts in!

  13. cwolf Says:

    Lambo, I think you misunderstand the terminology used to ID these microorganisms.
    The use of the word “Germ” is generic or inclusive word describing organisms that attack the body.
    These various organisms include: bacteria, fungi, Protozoa and viruses. So sanitizers that say they kill germs, include all of the above ( generally speaking)

  14. John McElroy Says:

    #2. Marshy, typical assembly plant makes 220-240,000 cars/year. So worst case drop of 7 million in sales = ~30 assembly plants.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1,11 Mary Barra kind of stole my “look.” I was wearing a leather jacket and V neck T-shirt most of the time, weather appropriate, for years before anyone knew who Mary Barra was. I wear a leather blazer, though, rather than the more “biker” and “military” look jackets Mary sometimes wears.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 Tucking shirts in is so 1950s. I don’t do it.

  17. ArtG Says:

    7. “Coronaviruses are “enveloped viruses” explains David Cennimo, M.D., assistant professor of medicine-pediatrics infectious disease at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School. This means they have an outer membrane or envelope, which are known to be killed or inactivated by alcohol-based hand sanitizers. So, “COVID-19 should be killed as well,” he adds.

    However: “Coronavirus is thought to mainly spread between people who are in close contact, or within about six feet. When an infected person coughs or sneezes, they produce respiratory droplets, which can then land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby (or even be inhaled into the lungs) and infect them, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That means you can slather your hands with hand sanitizer all you want, but if someone with coronavirus coughs or sneezes on you, that sanitizer isn’t going to do anything. (Same goes for face masks, which are not effective if you are not already sick.)”

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    16 Thanks! I appear to be wrong on this. I have friends in the medical industry that were telling me that hand sanitizers would likely not help. However one key take away is the hand sanitizer does need to be at least 60% alcohol and you need to rub your hands together until it has evaporated @20sec.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16,17 I read something similar to ArtG, which said that while coronaviruses are killed by alcohol sanitizers, norovirus is one that is not “enveloped,” and is not killed by the sanitizers.

  20. Topper Says:

    Listening to AAH. The Detroit Free Press guest got political (his admittance). Very inappropriate. Disappointed in his attempt to redirect the conversation. John and Gary did a professional job by not taking the bait. Thanks for keeping focused, guys.

  21. Bishop Says:

    I was at a doctor-friend of mine’s house last evening and he explained to me that the problem with this virus is that it is so contagious.

    When a person “gets” it from someone else (like one of the methods mentioned above), they in turn can pass it on (infect others) almost immediately – even though they may not experience symptoms for around 5 days (which might warn them to be extra careful in spreading it to others). It can be too late then.

    He predicts that over the next year to a year and a half, the majority of the population may get it. The best scenario is to slow down the spread of the disease so as to not overwhelm the health care system – until effective treatment and vaccines can be developed.

    MLB just announced complete suspension of all activities – indefinitely.

  22. Topper Says:

    Don’t pop those packing bubbles. They have Chinese air.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 …and “March madness” is cancelled. At first, they planned to play the games without on-site spectators, but now, it has been cancelled completely. I hope they don’t cancel the Australian Grand Prix in about a week. I’m actually lookong forward to that.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23, meant 21, not 20

  25. ChuckGrenci Says:

    23, The Australian Grand Prix was supposed to be this weekend but has been cancelled. A member of one of the teams has tested positive.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Thanks for info. I was off by a week, but sorry to hear that.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25,26 I see that, for now, they plan to run the Bahrain GP, but without spectators.

  28. ChuckGrenci Says:

    27, Yeah, I saw that too, but with the crew member testing positive I wonder if they have to delay at least two weeks for the rest of the crew (of that team); don’t know, just speculating.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I just played AAH, and it came up once again that Uber and Lyft are still losing money, and may never make money. How can that be? They syphon off billions of dollars from the drivers, and have no expenses except for a web site. I don’t understand how they can not make money. Yeah, the CEO or someone is making a lot, but still… I don’t understand.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    1 Maybe she believes she’s a biker chick, even tho she does not have what it usually takes.

    A. Lots of gloom and doom predictions today, and ONE FACT, a HUGE fact, that the Almighty CHinese market, which caused the whole problem and now the virus has receded there, is recovering. The others will follow. And don’t forget, it is the gloom and doom that makes news organizations $. IF there was no bad news, nobody would care to tune in. “If it bleeds it leads” and that sort of thing.

    B. I am not in the market for either, but if you can get the CRV Hybrid for as low as $29k, why in the world would you get an ugly, fat short Bolt for… $37-40+K? At least get a model 3 if you insist on a BEV.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    C. Parts shortages. There are just as good parts from aftermarket makers in the Far East, and they cost one fourth the original parts. Maybe those allegedly angry buyers should learn about them.

    12. Barra should be criticized for her poor performance, and should totally ignore the comments about her dresses or suits, instead of donning these ridiculous biker jackets.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    C. Parts shortages. There are just as good parts from aftermarket makers in the Far East, and they cost one fourth the original parts. Maybe those allegedly angry buyers should learn about them.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    23 Neither will be missed here. Seriously.

    I am curious if the automotive museums will be closed. I was thinking of going to the Gilmore and later to the Auburn-Cord-Duesy outfit. But had some reservations. I did decide not to go to a networking dinner last night, very close to where I live. Why take too many unnecessary risks.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    12 Well, it shows you there is no justice. Barra is judged for her outfits, while the failed Hackett is not fired for his on-the-job failure, because he is a great pal of Bill Ford, so he will continue to RUIN the company. After all, we could not have only two of the once big 3 go broke, could we?


    32) Gilmore is open. They confirmed it on their Face Book page The layout of that museum makes it a natural social distance facility so there is no risk to visiting Gilmore.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    34 Thanks, good to know.

    I was thinking of the AIDS epidemic in the 80s. That was a HUGE problem, with many, many deaths of mostly much younger people than those of the coronavirus, and yet the Markets did not go crazy, or even down. And for many years there was no cure and the epidemic continued to spread. THis time the epidemic has already receded in the nation it started (China), and the deaths, even in CHina, were a miniscule 2-3,000. Who believes that in the US they will exceed even 1,000? As compared to the 20,000-37,000 every single year from the lowly flu????

  37. Larry D. Says:

    35 if there is one place that would make the virus expand rapidly, it would be INDIA with its 1.5 million people (or 1.3 who cares) living in horribly un-hygienic conditions, open sewers etc. But I have heard that its government has taken even more strict measures prohibiting entering India from the nations highest in virus cases etc.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30. B. You’d get a Bolt over a CR-V hybrid, if you want a BEV rather than a hybrid. You’d get a Bolt over a Model 3 if you want a tall hatch rather than a sedan. Of course, the Model Y hatch will soon be available, but will cost more than the Model 3, and a lot more than what Bolts actually sell for.

    The interesting comparison will be the CR-V hybrid vs the RAV4 hybrid. They are similar size, with similar mpg ratings, 38 for the Honda, and 40 for the Toyota.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 The huge difference with AIDS, is that it was easily avoidable, and the ways to avoid it were known early on. COVD-19 may not be so easy to avoid, if you do “normal” things, like being around other people.

  40. Larry D. Says:

    The Russian-Saudi Oil War and the collateral damage:

    Just read an article about how the current Russia-Saudi oil war could extend for months, since Russia is sitting on a $570 billion cash reserve that allows it to endure $25-30 oil for 6 months, and of course the Saudis have $ coming out their ears, AND their oil is dirt-cheap to get off the ground.

    This may sound great at first, low oil prices usually fuel economic booms.

    BUT back then the US was a net oil importer to the tune of up to half a TRILLION $ per year, while now it is, by far, the biggest oil producer in the World.

    AND the oil produced in the US costs much more than $25 to get off the ground.

    The consumer will be thrilled with $2 and $1.50 gas, but if the US frackers are driven out of business, the Russians and OPEC can then RAISE the oil prices to high heaven.

    One more reason to give oil the Finger and get yourself a BEV!

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I guess it’s time to buy a Suburban or dualie pickup to take advantage of the cheap gas.

  42. Lambo2015 Says:

    Saw regular gas for $1.79 last night. Yea seems nice for now but I’m sure it will come at a cost yet to be seen.

  43. cwolf Says:

    At least, for awhile, we won’t have to deal with the damage caused from fracking.