AD #2804 – New Genesis G80 Details; BMW Partners with Toyota on Fuel Cells; Detroit Auto Show Cancelled

March 30th, 2020 at 11:39am

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Runtime: 9:22

0:07 Mercedes 3D Prints Medical Equipment
0:35 Mercedes F1 Makes Masks
1:10 Trumps Lashes Out at GM, Then Backs Off
2:53 New Genesis G80 Sedan Details
4:25 Honda Shows Concept CB Series Motorcycle
4:56 BMW Partners with Toyota on Fuel Cells
6:15 BorgWarner Highlights Benefits of Integrated Tech Center
7:58 Detroit Auto Show Cancelled

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54 Comments to “AD #2804 – New Genesis G80 Details; BMW Partners with Toyota on Fuel Cells; Detroit Auto Show Cancelled”

  1. Wayne Brooks Says:

    Gorgeous car even though the grill is huge.! I thought that Genesis was going for UNDERSTATED, with effortless power? IMHO, that grill doesn’t say understated. I get that that doesnt mean invisible and in this market, especially against the German 3, one has to do things to get noticed. Yet, I believe, with this beautiful design, the G80 can’t help but stand out, even if the grill was 25% smaller! The grill on the GV80 seem to be better proportion for the size of the vehicle’s front end. None the less this is a fantastic looking car and I hope they sale as many as they can make! Now if its dynamics can meet up with its looks, as well as place it in the mid to front of the pack with it rivals and Genesis will have a hit on its hands!

  2. Gary Susie Says:

    You are right we are at war and must do whatever it takes to win it. Trump has never said he was sorry for anything and never will.

  3. Wim van Acker Says:

    @COVID-19, “Cure worse than the disease?” During yesterday’s press conference President Trump, Dr. Fauci, and Dr. Birx stated that with mitigation efforts the number of fatalities may rise to 100,000-200,000, but may end up much lower than that. Without mitigation they estimate that there would have been 1.6-2.2 million fatalities. This is based on modeling of a new virus, so there is a large margin of error, hence the 1.6-2.2 million range. Even if it would be “only” 1 million fatalities without mitigation and less than 100,000 with mitigation, then still the cure is not worse than the disease.

  4. NormT Says:

    Genesis…too mich too late. Where is PHEV/EV? Enjoying our brand new 2018 CT6E with 500 miles on the clock we picked up for half price this past weekend!

  5. rick Says:

    he doesnt just owe GM an apology owes the whole world an apology for being an uninformed belligerent idiot.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Twitter needs to ban Trump from their site, and the networks need to stop broadcasting his daily rallies, every one full of misinformation. Then, some actual adults need to be put completely in charge of the U.S. response. I don’t know how that happens, but all of the BS and misinformation we’re getting is destructive.

  7. WineGeek Says:

    John

    Your words on the fact that we are in a war is exactly right! WE need to utilize the manufacturing expertise and regain the ability to produce complete products in the US. Let’s top trying to save nickels and dimes or even dollars and remember if this was a fighting war would we want to depend on China to provide our weapons? Well people ventilators, protective masks, and PPE suits are all our weapons now. We need to recapture the ability to completely produce these as well as many more items.

    By the way forget this stupidity about the “cure” being worse the the disease. If we have 100,000+ deaths think of all we are losing, it’s more than just a job it’s 100,000+ lives of real human beings. Jobs can be brought back those lives will never be brought back.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It sounds like the new G80 will lose most of what sold the old one to my friend, a naturally aspirated V6, and simple, intuitive controls. Maybe turbos and big touch screens are what they need, though. The old one didn’t sell very well.

  9. Buzzerd Says:

    GM is no doubt being reminded of the old saying, ” no good deed goes unpunished”. It’s really shitty when your boss gives you hell when you’ve been trying to save his ass.

    I really like the new Honda F bike, really has that 80′s look to it with modern tech, seems to be the hot segment lately.

  10. Drew Says:

    I like what I see about the G80…. the headlamps, tail, clean interior, and overall silhouette. The roof and greenhouse has a lot of Audi A7 familiarity.

    The 300 hp 2.5L I4 must have some assistance… turbo or electric… otherwise, that must be a new record (by a wide margin) for a natural-aspirated ICE.

  11. Wim van Acker Says:

    @5: professionals are in charge on the COVID-19 containment, as you (and I) wish. Vice President Pence, HHS Secretary Azar and public health experts Dr. Birx and Dr. Fauci are managing this. The President has put Pence in charge of managing this effort and should also let him take care of communication to the press and public. Pence, Azar, Birx and Fauci all speak in sentences and are knowledgeable. I would love to see them report every day about their work. Everything else is a side-show which we do not need to see daily.

  12. GM Veteran Says:

    “BMW says the technology is best suited for long-distance heavy-duty transport.” I am sure that the folks at Nikola are happy to hear BMW endorsing what they have been working on for some time.

    For those of us in the Detroit area automotive business, not having a major international auto show in Detroit for 2 1/2 years is pretty amazing. However, it does give the DADA additional time to refine their new indoor/outdoor plan and perhaps to add some features that time did not allow when it was scheduled for this June.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 The G80 four is turbo, but the 2 liter naturally aspirated engine in the Honda S2000 came close in specific power, with 237 hp. The power was developed at a lofty 8,300 rpm, which is how you get a lot of power from a small, non-boosted engine.

  14. George Ricci Says:

    As individuals the best thing we can do in the war on Covid-19 is not to catch it and not to pass it on. So stay at home and minimize trips to stores, use delivery services. Stay away from your relatives, neighbors, and friends, use your telephone and social media to stay in contact with them.

    Its not just older people with a preexisting conditions that are at high risk, its people who smoke, vape, and people who are obese. So work on that since you have nothing else to do!

  15. Tuck&Roll Says:

    John,
    No. The President does not owe Mary or GM anything. It’s a classic case of he said-she-said. You have chosen to believe GM, I on the other hand support and believe the President. If the President’s statement upsets or incentives GM to develop and deliver more expeditiously in these times then I say, here here. GM promised 40k ventilators, but could only deliver 4K. The President praised GM the previous day for 40k. After he praised them GM backed off the 40k and embarrassed him. There was a reason the Def Production Act was evoked on them. And with your comments at the end about a war-time footing, I definitely agree. That is why I have no issue with the President’s GM criticism. You did notice that GM responded immediately.

  16. Drew Says:

    Kit, the S2000 high RPM HP came at the expense of low RPM torque, meaning the S2000 was completely miserable in urban traffic. I wish a different metric can be defined for power, as peak HP does not correlate to most driving conditions. Peak torque comes closer, but leaves a researcher clueless about power for passing in the highway.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 Yep, you need to use the revs to get power from the engine in an S2000. A friend uses one as a daily driver, and is used to having to downshift 2 or 3 gears to accelerate very quickly. The shift quality is very good, so it’s no big deal, at least in my area with few hard core stop and go driving situations.

    Peak torque means nothing, as far as actual ability to do work, but big torque numbers sound good. The torque peak of the S2000 is not very impressive, 153 lb⋅ft, but at 7,500 rpm.

  18. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The G80 looks snazzy but this will come at the expense of being dated fairly quickly in my opinion. When a design has a bunch of dohicky treatments they will lend itselve to obsellesance (oh yeah, i could be way off but that’s the way I see it).

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    Working from home as many people are and its easy to get a bit stir crazy. I think we have watched anything worth watching on TV, we have played board and card games that I haven’t played in years. My parents who are in their 70s sent me a video of them playing ping pong yesterday.
    So I thought over the weekend it would be a good time to learn a new skill and something I been wanting to do for a while. The wife is a nurse at U of M in Ann Arbor and we decided to make headbands that help reduce the irritation on the ears as all the nurses have to wear a mask for the whole 12 hour shift. So I bought a sewing machine on Saturday and by Sunday night I learned how to use it and was making bands and sewing on buttons. She heads back to work tonight which is a bit scary as she knows they have two individuals with the virus on the unit. She plans to stay with another nurse for the next 6 weeks so we reduce the risk of bringing it back home. We managed to make about 60 mask bands and when this finally over I can try and make that custom seat for my motorcycle I been wanting to try. Should be pretty good with the machine by then if this lasts as long as they think it might.
    Stay safe everyone.

  20. James Says:

    Montana Skeptic is a well-known Tesla troll and short seller. He’s an investment manager for the fossil fuel industry, and as such is heavily biased against green energy and Tesla specifically. For years, he has posted inflammatory disinformation about Tesla in an attempt to drive the stock price down and profit from it. For years, said disinformation has been proven wrong repeatedly. He has ZERO credibility, and Autoline should not give him a platform to spread lies!

  21. Danny Turnpaugh Says:

    And I suppose if Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders were President everything would be so nice. Granted Trump says things he shouldn’t cause he has no knowledge of the subject, but he’s in the office now it can change in November if people vote him out.

  22. DanaPointJohn Says:

    Why oh why does anyone support Trump…now or ever! C’mon people, get with it!

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 If Biden or Sanders were president, it is highly unlikely that either would have called the virus a hoax for weeks, delaying action on addressing it. It is also unlikely that either would have mostly de-funded the CDC’s epidemic prevention activities.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/02/01/cdc-to-cut-by-80-percent-efforts-to-prevent-global-disease-outbreak/

    Yeah, we are where we are, and have a much worse situation than we should. We can only do our part, and hope for the best.

  24. veh Says:

    15 I’m pretty sure John knows people personally, and well, at GM and he has good reason to believe them. The facts are what they are…doesn’t it stand to reason that Trump’s whiplash in changing his tune is because he was WRONG?

  25. Tuck&Roll Says:

    One does not need to be President to address the CV. Biden nor Sanders did. And they still remain silent and irrelevant. I’m sure the CDC has been restored. If it had been defunded there was a good reason previously. To reference the WP as a legitimate source of news is laughable.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Trump, not Biden or Sanders has the “bully pulpit” of the presidency, and the power to make executive orders.

    The WaPo is one of the best sources of news we have, except maybe the BBC.

  27. Ken Says:

    Wonder if the Auto Show couldn’t be moved to the ‘Suburban Collection Showplace’ convention center. Huge facility, and they have opening in their event calendar. Always wanted to go to the auto show, but not wanting to try and navigate downtown Detroit and parking.

  28. Earl Says:

    The calling out of GM is one thing he has lashed out at the Governor. On Nov 3 the people of Michigan can reciprocate.

  29. John McElroy Says:

    #15. “GM promised 40k ventilators, but could only deliver 4K.” Where do you get these numbers? GM never said that. And it started working on developing ventilators a week before the President ever said anything about it.

  30. merv Says:

    Mr Trump should say sorry publicly to GM for that rant. While he is at it he should say sorry to Canada for threatening to have the military protect the borders from us. This corona virus is huge/enormous and “we”,all of us,need to step up and defeat it asap.

  31. cwolf Says:

    Any business participating in the war to defeat this virus should not be scorned but appreciated and encouraged for its efforts. The Q2 looks discouraging, to say the least. The GDP could be down 10% by years end. Any business able to stay afloat until the situation begins to show positive should be applauded for their resiliency.
    On a brighter note, I read Italy may have finally reached their peak. Infections of all stages and deaths have lessened. Pray this trend continues.

  32. buildmore2doors Says:

    27 The Suburban Collection Showplace doesn’t have the capacity for parking that you would need for an auto show of that size, my family and I go there for dog shows and they barely have enough room for parking for a minor show like that. Get some more parking and I too would love to see the big auto shows stop there. By the way, they did have an auto show there this past January, with dealers supplying all the vehicles, wasn’t bad for what it was but no where near what it is at Cobo.

  33. Bob Wilson Says:

    If serious, BMW and the other fuel cell makers need to install a coast-to-coast fuel station network along the Cannon Ball route. Without a cross-country capability, fuel cells will remain the technology of the future . . . forever.

  34. Wayne Says:

    Me thinks that the “Covidiot-in-Chief” has a long standing issue with GM from somewhere in his past because this is not the first statement he has made disparaging the company. Hopefully folks see it as another one of his hissy fits.
    Good to see the auto industry trying to do its part to combat this pandemic. Every bit helps.

  35. Wayne Says:

    Also want to wish our cross border neighbours in the Detroit area all the best as it looks like they will be in the midst of the next U.S. hot spot for Covid 19.

  36. Tony Gray Says:

    Lots of disinformation all over the place with regards to the COVID topic so I will stick to things I am knowledgeable in. Every county of its equivalent in the US has an Emergency Management Agency. Likewise every state. The Feds have FEMA that is broken out into regions.

    Each of those entities is required to plan and resource to mitigate a wide array of disasters, depending on their particular circumstances. Some plan for blizzards. Some for floods. Some for tornados. I had binders full in the area I was located.

    A medical crisis like this is on the list, and took higher precedence even before 9/11. But we wargamed it with all the stakeholders such as police, fire, hospitals, National Guard, coroner’s offices, you name it. From those wargames you developed the list of those items you needed to stock at the local level. The Federal Response was never designed to be immediate, rather it was to replenish stocks or to reinforce local and state assets.

    COVID 19 is indeed nasty. I’ll wager that either the wargames done underestimated the severity and thus the need for ventilatiors, PPE etc, or the locals never funded the necessary stockage. Maybe a little of both.

  37. Gary Susie Says:

    Trump just accused Doctors and nurses of stealing masks on national tv. He needs to go.

  38. Barry Rector Says:

    John,
    The new Genesis G80 is beautiful. It looks far better than anything from BMW or Mercedes. Do you think it will be taking sales from them? And what about pricing?

  39. cwolf Says:

    37). How can one steal something that doesn’t exist?
    Oh why does the media give him air time or print his anything he says?

  40. Larry D. Says:

    If you are going to attack Trump, John, you need to go into the details. Do you really think he is insane and made false charges, OR did GM actually do something egregious AGAIN? It is the LATTER.

    Trump was already livid about how GM handled the Lordstown plant. THis was his prior Beef with barra. THEN a few days ago he explicitly said that GM tried to PROFITEER, BIG WAY, selling ventilators to the US Government. THIS did it and produced the tweet.

    Things usually DO have explanations.

  41. Larry D. Says:

    The ‘new, improved’ G80 looks good on the outside and ok inside, but what is the deal with Hyundai and the ‘wood’ inside? IS it real wood? It looks fake. Why doesn’t it take a page off Lexus or of course any Germans? When they do wood, it is immaculate, AND looks like wood and no formica.

    So, can anybody tell me if this dark brown thing is actual, real wood, or is it plastic?

    PS Anybody has any hope that this car will sell more than the very few units it sold (in the US market) before the CV? and Why so?

  42. Larry D. Says:

    FCA to defer 20% of salaried workers’ pay; Manley to take 50% cut

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/fca-defer-20-salaried-workers-pay-manley-take-50-cut?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200331&utm_content=article4-headline

    Let’s see if this shames Mary Barra, of the utterly undeserved $22 million a year (plus a ton of perks!) into doing the same.

    PS while Manley’s employees only DEFER their 20%, his 50% is a real CUT.

  43. Larry D. Says:

    Re your next Guest in AAH

    1. It would be great if you had Munro on the panel. He sure could teach him a thing or two.

    2. Ask your guest how many millions he has lost so far shorting Tesla stock.

    3. Ask him his real name too. OR is he wanted by the FBI?

    4. You say he is a finance type eh? HE sure must know all about cars. Like that late charlatan Simmons, a banker who had no clue about the Oil Industry, who was the darling of the Cable news networks and prophesized “peak oil” in the mid 2000s.

  44. Larry D. Says:

    ‘Here’s my two cents. We’re in a war. The coronavirus is the enemy. And we need to go on a complete wartime footing to kill the enemy. We’re interested in your feedback too.’

    ok here is my one cent. I agree with your points above, both that it is serious (otherwise we would not freeze our wonderful 20 trillion $ economy, the envy of the whole world). And this phase (hopefully ending in a victory on May 1) is only the FIRST phase of this war, it will come back and hopefully we will be much wiser and better prepared. AND the experts say there will be MORE, different viruses in the (distant?) future.

    While the economy as a whole will shrink and there will be many industries that will be hard hit, there are already others that will make out like bandits.

    I expect Amazon, UPS FEDEX to do extremely well as people shop via the web and get their stuff delivered by the above.

    I also expect big Pharma and Biotech (the gift that keeps on giving in my own investing) to have more stellar years, for obvious reasons.

  45. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/09/dan-yergin-oil-market-is-facing-a-triple-whammy-of-pressures.html

    Pulitzer Winning (“The Prize”) author Dan Yergin is an energy expert I respect, and has some HUGE news and expected upheaval in the industry.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    44 Instacart is becoming the big winner with me, delivering groceries, beer/wine, and other items from Aldi, Publix, CVS, and other local stores. I never would have even considered using a service like this, until the virus arrived.

  47. XA351GT Says:

    @3 I think you may have misunderstood what was meant by that statement. When saying the cure could be worse than the disease . This was meant as If we kill the economy in the process of stamping out the disease then there won’t be much left for those that make it through. The question is what did you save people to live in widespread poverty and misery. Because someone who knows what they lost will be in more pain than someone who didn’t know what they were missing. If you’re poor your whole life , that is what you know that is your reality. Those that had a comfortable life won’t know how to cope. and you’ll see mental depression like has never been seen before. With that will come suicides and crime. I believe that was the meaning behind the phrase.

  48. Gil Alfonso Says:

    Hi John
    Your comments on the pandemic situation were rather noncommital. If you look at the facts , the flu is by far deadlier than corona. Although the mortality rate has risen somewhat it’s still well below the flu and you don’t hear anyone preaching doom and gloom about it . The reporting on this issue as with many others has been very slanted . they talk about Italy but they leave out that they have multigenerational households there where kids bring home the virus and infect grandma and grandpa . The fact is , most cases are mild and most of the fatalities are older people with significant medical problems such as copd or heart disease and who were already in a compromised condition . I am a physician and I am disgusted at the mess this has turned into . Our country and others are being destroyed economically not by the virus but by the epidemic of fear and overreaction . We need to use common sense and get our country back to work and limit our dependence on china .

  49. XA351GT Says:

    #6 what misinformation? You mean the one NY has thousands of ventilators , where are they? NY governor ” We need more ventilators” Reporter ” what about these thousands you have stockpiled in a warehouse?” NY governor ” Oh those , were saving those for when things get worse” So who is really full of misinformation ? You either have them or you don’t. Don’t cry you need more when you haven’t used the ones you already have when other communities need them now. So there is plenty of misinformation to go around.

  50. XA351GT Says:

    @! Really? He put the travel ban on China they day after the WHO said there was a problem. Democrats leaped all over that calling it racist. Dr Fauci said that without that action we’d be way worse than we are. Why not lay the blame where it belongs at the feet of the Chinese government and WHO that covered it and lied about it for weeks.

  51. XA351GT Says:

    @ 23 above

  52. Kit Gerhart Says:

    49 If our deranged self-centered “leader” hadn’t called the virus a hoax for weeks, after it was clearly a serious problem, we would be much better off.

  53. ChuckGrenci Says:

    According to Snopes (and other sources), most of the “hoax” assignment was taken out of context. I do agree President Trump did insert “foot in mouth”, however not to the extent attributed.
    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-coronavirus-rally-remark/
    Also, a lot of blame going around is hindsight, when a lot of current information was not as clear as the ‘soothsayers’ claim.

  54. cwolf Says:

    49) Cuomo did not give misinformation about ventilators. NY has enough at present and will use the others as the need grows. At the projected apex, it was projected they may need more. Cuomo was very up front about it.