AD #2818 – Struggles of Re-Starting Production; Honda CR-V Impressions; Diesel Escalade a No-Charge Option

April 17th, 2020 at 12:30pm

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Runtime: 11:11

0:07 The Struggles Automakers Face to Restart Production
1:20 Jim Farley Putting His Stamp on Ford
2:47 Delivers Goods with AVs Instead of People
3:35 New VW Tiguan Teased in Design Sketch
4:21 Benefits of More Diversity in the Auto Industry
6:03 Ford Won’t Make New Focus RS
6:51 Honda CR-V Impressions
8:22 #TBT: Biagini Passo
9:13 Cadillac Won’t Charge Extra for Diesel Escalade
10:05 Happy 56th Birthday Ford Mustang

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24 Comments to “AD #2818 – Struggles of Re-Starting Production; Honda CR-V Impressions; Diesel Escalade a No-Charge Option”

  1. Bob Wilson Says:

    With nearly 1,000 fewer moving parts, the EV assembly lines are less likely to be held up by a critical part. The manufacturers who are more vertically integrated are also less likely to face blockage from a critical part. We’ll soon see.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Would that diesel fit in a CT-5? If so, that might be a good option for fuel economy, it they geared it right.

  3. Larry D. Says:

    John, how come you say GM offers the diesel “for free”???? Of course it does not. You pay the SAME hefty price you do when you get the excellent 6.2 lt gas engine, which has far greater HP and not much smaller torque, than the LESS than half-size diesel (3.0 lt). AND then you pay more (in soime states today almosf DOUBLE) for the fuel per gallon.

    If they offered it for free in the SUBURBAN it would make a little more sense. I see few, if any, Escalade buyers bothering to lose the 6.2 V8 for that diesel.

  4. Danny Turnpaugh Says:

    More likely to buy the diesel for the torque, I don’t see to many Cadillac buyers buying it for fuel economy. Maybe I’m wrong but know several Cadillac owners and none worry about fuel economy.

  5. Larry D. Says:

    Re the CR-V I have only test driven the very first generation, a very crude, spartan amd underpowered breadvan that really hated to accelerate and topped at much less than 100 MPH when I drove it.

    I got curious to drive it because a former student and then colleague who always knew a lo about cars, whose parents were both doctors and had one of these immortal Mercedes from the 60s with the MB-Tex (which he thought worked out very well for them), but he had Hondas, I was driven in his nice white Accord when he invited me for a seminar at UC Santa Barbara, and then he bought a CRV, 1st gen, and I went to a local dealer and test drove one.

    As I said above, that boxy breadvan was a loser. Very underpowered, very sluggish, noisy, and small. What a worthless piece of junk. (And I say this as a very satisfied Honda owner for over 30 years, Civic for 26 and Accord for 14 years)

  6. Larry D. Says:

    1 It’s the vertical integration. If you are VI, even if your car has 10,000 parts, you don’t worry, you make them in house. and Tesla is by far the most vertically integrated of any automaker. Seems Musk can’t do anything wrong these days (or the last few years too).

  7. Joe C. Says:

    unfortunately the VW Dieselgate fiasco has turned a lot of people off of Diesel engines. the take rate in the Escalade or any passenger car will be very low regardless of it being a no-charge option.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It will be interesting to see the take rate for the diesel in the Escalade, but as others have said, I’d think it would be very small. Based on the EPA, and CR’s results with the Silverado (diesel vs 5.3 for CR), the diesel gets ~30-45% better mpg than the gas V8, depending on city vs highway. The 5.3 Silverado was a second quicker to 60 in CR’s testing of the Silverado, 6.9 vs 7.9 seconds. The difference would probably be at least 2 seconds with the 6.2. I can’t imagine many people buying $100K lifted wagons wanting the diesel, unless they just think it would be “cool.”

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 The current CR-V is a much different vehicle than the first generation. The current one is much more refined, and quicker than the early ones. A Benz like yours got better city mpg in CR’s tests, though.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    Actually I just read the link and the 5.2 lt has the SAME torque as the 3.0 Diesel, so the last reason to swap the 6.2 v8 for a Diesel 3 lt 6 has evaporated.

    And as for the “free” diesel, I remember a few years ago (may still be true today), the largest of Mercedes’ SUVs, the GL class then, or GLS now, its Diesel was the CHEAPEST model, and even the lowest output gas version, the 550, was MORE expensive than the diesel.

  11. Larry D. Says:

    9 It must be. The first gen CRV was truly terrible. The first Rav4 (was driven in one) looked even worse than the CRV and was just as bad.

    As for my merc it should also get far better highway MPG than the CRV, and that with a 3 liter and 400 LBFT and 208 hp, and not some .. 1.5 lt turbo coffeemaker.

  12. NormT Says:

    Honda has some problems with the 1.5t engine with fuel seeping into the oil on cold starts. Along with locking up infotainment screen in Edmund’s longterm CR-V, I feel sorry for the paying beta testers Honda uses them as.

    “”In a memo sent to dealers, Honda’s manager of auto campaigns and recalls, Brad Ortloff, said oil in these engines could be diluted because of software settings or potential hardware failures. Some vehicles could experience “lack of power,” leading to cylinder misfires or engine noise.” Consumer Reports 

    “But if the vehicles are stalling, as some owners have reported, this is a safety issue and Honda should conduct an official recall, which doesn’t expire.” Consumer Reports 

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 The current 4wd CR-V beat the E320 Bluetec in CR’s 65 mph highway test, 37 to 35 mpg. The two were tied in the EPA tests.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 The thing I read about the Honda 1.5T “growing oil,” was that gas squirted on the cylinder walls by the direct injectors went past the rings and ended up in the oil. Whatever the actual cause, it doesn’t sound good, if it hasn’t been fixed. The diluted oil would almost surely accelerate engine wear.

  15. merv Says:

    being a huge ford focus fan, sad to see the rs get the ax.

  16. Paul Orth Says:

    I drive a 2018 CRV with 26K miles that had been recalled for the oil dilution issue. As I write it is at the dealer getting the oil changed due to the oil level being above full on the dipstick. I called Honda who told me there was no issue; then tried to blame cold weather in MN and that I drive short trips. I am guilty of both but when I asked why this was not happening to my ‘17 Ridgeline the response was no response – crickets…….Anyway the issue is real and Honda is not addressing it or fixing it. They said they are extending the warrsnty but I have not seen that in writing….

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 It’s not surprising that the RS is going away, never mind the excuses in the article. It was pricey, and would be expensive to develop, done properly. For those who can still buy Focuses, about everyone in the world outside the US and Canada, the “milder,” but still sporty ST will still be around. It’s a sporty, practical car, for a lot less money than the RS sold for. A friend has one with about 150K miles, and it has been reliable. He’ll probably keep it until it has a major problem.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 From everything I’ve read, the issue is unique to the 1.5t engine, 2016-2018 model years. They supposedly “fixed” it after 2018, probably mostly by delaying gear shifting when the engine is cold.

  19. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I don’t know what the take rate will be for the diesel GM full size vehicles but the diesel reviews from the Silverado have been pretty much universally positive. The 3.0 liter has good power, stellar torque for its displacement and very good fuel mileage especially when towing. Depending on what the buyer is looking for in a full sized SUV it just may be the ticket. Kudos for GM for at least offering an engine for those seeking diesel.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 I like that the GM diesel is an in-line six, the ideal engine configuration for an engine that size, as long as you can package a longish engine.

    Here are the EPA numbers for the different engines in the Silverado 1500. The 4.3 six is the big loser, partly because they use a 6-speed transmission. The 6.2 is apparently not available for the “light duty” Silverado.

  21. ChuckGrenci Says:

    20, Kit, I found on the Build and Price feature that the 6.2 is available on the Silverado 1500 but only the higher end trucks: Trail Boss, LTZ and the High Sierra. If variety is what you want, in engines, today’s buyer needs to buy a truck. while some cars offer a couple choices, it’s the trucks that seem to get most the ‘candy’ (like the days of old for cars did).

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21, For #20, I was looking at the EPA site, but for 2wd, where the 6.2 did not appear. Doing the same thing, but with Silverado 1500 4wd, the 6.2 is there. The 6.2 must not be detuned much from the one in Corvette and Camaro, because they list it as a premium burner.

    Yep, Chevy trucks have a choice of 5 engines, if you want 4wd, and 4 choices with 2wd. From what I saw with the 2wd Silverado, I’d certainly rule out the 4.3, which is slow, and thirsty, not what you’d be looking for. It would be the cheapest, though.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21,22 The Dodge Challenger and Charger are the only cars that have that many engine choices, and you can get most of them with a manual transmission in Challenger. I don’t understand why most car companies whine so much about not being able to get multiple powertrains certified, when FCA does it with a fairly low volume car like Challenger.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Oops, this is the link I intended.