AD #2819 – Ford & GM Line Up More Cash; New Cybertruck Details; Cadillac Studying Another Performance Wagon

April 20th, 2020 at 12:12pm

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Runtime: 11:33

0:07 Production Continues to Slowly Pick Up
0:35 Ford & GM Line Up More Cash
1:05 Car Sales Added to Essential Businesses List
1:34 Commercial Fleet Sales Doing the Best
2:28 Elon Musk Drops New Cybertruck Details
3:05 CARL is AIWAYS’ Autonomous EV Charger
3:46 Cadillac Studies Another Performance Wagon
4:58 Porsche Offers Two-Tone Interior for 911s
5:25 Skoda Pits Fans Against Real Racers in Virtual Series
6:05 Custom Citroen DS Hardtop Coupe
7:10 Honda’s Plan for Used Batteries in Europe
7:49 India’s TVS Buys Britain’s Norton Motorcycles
8:18 Thanks You for All the Kind Comments

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38 Comments to “AD #2819 – Ford & GM Line Up More Cash; New Cybertruck Details; Cadillac Studying Another Performance Wagon”

  1. Larry D. Says:

    Hi John,

    almost all words in French have the accent on the final syllable. So it is CitroEn, not… CitrOen!

    Is the official pronounciation of this name in English CitroEn? I would not be surprised, as our language does a great job butchering millions of words it adopts from other languages.

    On to more serious matters.

    I am the most vocal (and maybe the only) one in this forum that always asks for lower inventories and lean manufacturing and profits the Toyota way and challenge that old wives, unscientific tale that alleges that a ’60 day inventory is optimal”. Those who say it most likely do not know what the term ‘optimal’ means in Math.

    BUT I have no problem with makers having 130 and even 150 day inventories NOW, because very soon they will NEED them and more! The huge US economy was closed down voluntarily to fight the spread of this virus, AND in a matter of WEEKS, not Months, it will reopen with a BANG.
    Try to calculate the amounts, they must be HUGE.

  2. Larry D. Says:

    I must accidentaly erased some text before the last line in 1.

    My point was, during the lockdown most people must have saved a ton of $.

    THose who still got their full salary, and all retirees, whose income was not affected, must have saved a fortune these weeks.

    MUCH less (up to 90% less) gas, and at lower prices.

    NO Eating out

    No Bars

    No Concerts, Ball games, Movies!

    No Travel, Hotel bills, SIghtseeing etc.

    Try to estimate the savings, they should be HUGE.

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    I really like the styling of the V wagon but the back seat was pretty small for such a large car.

    Watching the video of CARL made me think of a few more purposes for it like some of the jails with COVID outbreaks- body searches, for those hard to reach areas.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 Huh? During the lockdown, millions of people have lost their jobs, and are spending down their savings, not saving a ton of $.

    Yeah, I’m saving money, mainly by not eating out.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The CT-x wagon is something I’d like, if I had only one car, but the last CTS wagon didn’t sell well, either in V, or non-V form. I hope they don’t spend the money to develop it, unless there is reason to think sales would be better than last time.

    Regarding Norton, has it existed for the last 40 years, except as a name? Maybe I’ve missed something, but the only “revived” British motorcycle brand I was aware of is Triumph, who have done fairly well.

  6. Kevin A Says:

    Not sure why ANYONE would need a new car after the virus dies down. Many people will be rebuilding their finances, anyone who has a trade in will find it almost worthless and I would expect the car companies will be too financially insolvent to drop prices or offer incentives. Maybe GM, Ford and others should focus on getting full price on new ‘must have’ models and selling whatever government fleets are willing to buy. The rest of us will take Larry’s advice and buy good used (cheap) cars and trucks.

  7. Kevin A Says:

    PS When does the inevitable ban on foreign made cars start. You KNOW it is going to happen.

  8. Larry D. Says:

    4 if you reply to my post, you need to read it carefully first. I was NOT referring to those who TEMPORARILY saw a pay cut or lost their jobs. I specifically mentioned the two vast groups I focused on. EVEN the unemployed saved a TON and probably ate much healthier than by eating out, and even YOU saved from MANY other sources than just eating, I specifically listed many items in 2.

  9. Kevin A Says:

    PPS John, what percent of US sales are foreign made, or Canada-Mexico domestics? (50%?) If those were removed, US factories would be much much busier.

  10. MJB Says:

    Citroen DS “one of the most beautiful cars of all time”?

    John, I know you’re a proud owner of one, and I certainly get it that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I want to be especially careful not to step on any toes – especially those of our most gracious Autoline host.

    But that car has been on my top 10 least favorite designs list since 1994 when I first saw one in real life while living for 3 1/2 months in Italy.

    I must say, however, that this coupe version looks quite nice. I still wouldn’t drive one. ;) But it looks very nice.

  11. Buzzerd Says:

    Norton has had a few rebirths with roughly the same outcome. They were at the IOM last year with their race bikes but they used Aprilia motors and their own chassis. I think they were developing a motor.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    6 The average age of a car is 12 years. That is the AVERAGE. ANYBODy with a 15 or 20 year car NEEDS A NEW ONE. AND many with much younger cars will WANT a new one, and will buy one. ESPECIALLY BEV cars.

    I bet Tesla market share will go way up after the economy is open.

    PS ALL: the media is pessimistic because it ALWAYS PAYS for THEM to be, ratings, profits, etc. HOWEVER, if you know anything about HISTORY, the pessimists get it wrong 99% of the time.

    Especially, NEVER bet against the US economy.

    There will be inflation, because the COngress spends like a drunken sailor these months, BUT the Economy will rebound fast AND furious, no matter what ONE person’s situation is.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    9 And how exactly do you propose to “remove” tbe BEST cars off the US market, ie the 55% or so that are NOT from the onetime Big 3? (who also build a TON of cars in mexico and Canda and even in CHINA?)

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 I searched Norton, and found that they had a re-birth in about 2014. Maybe those have Aprilia motors. No wonder I didn’t know they existed, though. They have only three dealers in the U.S., in southern California, the Chicago area, and Austin, TX.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Trump likes tariffs. A 100% tariff would remove most of the imported cars from the U.S. market, and double or triple the value of the ones you have.

  16. Wim van Acker Says:

    @7 “PS When does the inevitable ban on foreign made cars start. You KNOW it is going to happen.”: May God forbid that we introduce socialism with state controlled companies in our country.

  17. ChuckGrenci Says:

    10, MJB, count me on-board with most of your comments on the DS. Since a child, I’ve always considered it a ‘goofy’ looking car but I will deflect to others excited about it (it’s just not for me; the one-off as well, not a fan).

    Also on the AAH show featuring the V-Blackwings’; I find it even more exciting that Cadillac will be looking for opportunities for using the 4.2 Blackwing engine in other venues; maybe utility vehicles or other performance cars in the future.

  18. Brian Says:

    @12. But it is not 1 person. It is 20,000,000 (and counting). Even if some are coming out ahead on a cash basis, in aggregate, there are 10′s of millions not currently working. Retirees have seen 401K investments shrink. The economy will finish this year without the value of billions of man-hours of labor. Many millions more are working at reduced productivity remotely. I don’t think that we exit this like gangbusters. Even a linear ramp of the economy from May 1 til July 1 will leave a huge hole in the economy. . . . Think about Autoline – Even if things go back to normal soon, I think that 2020 will be a tight year. I doubt that the Autoline Christmas/Holiday party will be bigger than last year. Autoline staff are probably not in line for a new car, either. (Anecdotal, but there are 20,000,000 anecdotal stories out there)

  19. John McElroy Says:

    #9. Kevin, 78% of all vehicles sold in the US are made in North America. I don’t have the breakdown for Canada and Mexico.

  20. Larry D. Says:

    17 the original DS was stunning technologically and styling-wise was very different from any other cars int he 50s (and even int he 60s, but looked more like a Frog than like Venus de Milo. A bit like Teslas today.

    Citroen has brought back the “DS” label to a supposedly luxurious range of ugly vehicles, that are also not luxurious, but should have a comfortable ride. Small SUVs and crossover thingies.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    My main experience around a DS, was from when I went to an international model airplane competition in Sweden, in 1996. A couple guys on the British team wanted to make their trip a bit of an adventure, so they drove/ferried a DS estate (wagon). From talking to them, they bought the car pretty cheaply, and needed to do some work on the car before the trip, mainly with all the hydraulic stuff. They made it to Sweden without major problems, but I don’t know how the return trip went.

  22. Brett Cammack Says:

    I like my 2006 Outlander just fine and won’t be replacing it any time soon. It only has 130k miles on it anyhow.

    Might get it painted, though. The Florida sun is Hell on clearcoat finishes.

    We will be fortunate if things start resembling normal by year’s end.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Florida sun seems to be hell on polycarbonate headlight lenses too, from what I see on cars a few years old that are parked outside full time.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 I think the Corvette would be the ideal application for the Blackwing engine, if it would fit. Mercedes uses their similar engine in the GLS, their big crossover, so I guess it would be appropriate for big GM SUVs, though, somehow, big pushrod V8s seem more appropriate for trucks.

  25. MJB Says:

    John, what will it mean to consumers for (U.S.) oil to be selling for and less than $0/barrel – as I am reading right now that it is?

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    24, Chevrolet has a double overcam engine as well with a displacement of 5.5 liter. Cadillac said it isn’t the same as the Chevy but I’m guessing they’ve ‘talked’. I think the Chevy is the upcoming flat plane for the ZO6.

  27. Brett Cammack Says:

    I just keep old Red’s polished and protect with 404 Protectant. Buy it at West Marine. Good stuff for UV protection of plastic objects.

    What if they take the new C8 platform, stuff the Blackwing engine into it, rebody it with Cadillac design language and call it… I dunno… the XLR or something? :)

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 I guess the Blackwing wouldn’t be a very good “fit” for the Corvette, being a step down in power from the 6.2 SC. That 5.5 should be a fairly big step up, with extra valves and turbos.

    27 If they could build serious refinement into the C8, I’d think an XLR version might make sense. The earlier XLR was a major step down in performance, compared to the Chevy, and from what I heard, the top mechanism was a little “underdeveloped.”

  29. JWH Says:

    #23 – Hard coat on headlamp PC lenses deteriorating under sun light – They vary based on the quality of the hard coat used by the different headlamp suppliers. As you might imagine, the hard coat formulation is very proprietary & tightly controlled by the manufacturers. Last 14 years of gainful employment were with a lighting supplier & from data I observed the hard coat we utilized was one of the better ones in the market.

  30. Bob Wilson Says:

    Sad to say, the US petroleum reserve is not being filled up. Buy low and store would be wise. It might even help the USA petroleum producers. Store gasoline and keep some refineries running.

    Drove to Nashville, 120 miles away, twice last week for the video/autopilot upgrade, 20x faster, and another appointment. SuperCharger and home charging cost $13.77 for an extra 480 miles on the odometer. Gasbuddy reports $1.38/gal or roughly 10 gallons per 480 miles, 48 MPG equivalent. This is almost as good as our last Prius but a lot more fun using AutoPilot and Tesla ‘scoot.’

  31. Barry T Says:

    Every dollar “saved” (not spent) represents money not spent on a product or service that involves employees, materials and overhead. Yes, it’s uneven, some keep their salary and receive a “bonus” while others, like freelancers, have no income, don’t qualify for unemployment and have all their overhead to pay.
    If “saving” was so awesome we could completely shut down everything and save the most. (Sarcasm) It’s not how the economy works. Eventually EVERYONE would lose their income and the government would have no way to “give” us any more money.
    There is nothing wonderful economically about this. What is great is the people and businesses being empathetic and going the second mile for others.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 Who used your headlights? Maybe you’re not supposed to say.

  33. Roger T Says:

    That Citroen coupe is beautiful, just perfect.

  34. ChuckGrenci Says:

    When talking off-road trucking there are two distinct categories as well as mixes that border or encompass both that compromise one or the other. It sounds as Cybertruck is leaning toward high speed off-road as opposed to rock crawling. Jeeps offer two distint, i.e. Gladiator models; Mojave (off-road desert and Rubicon (off-road rock crawling). Hmmm

  35. JWH Says:

    #32 – While it could be different now, 8 to 20 years ago it was many Toyota’s, and depending on the economic times, some Nissan, Subaru, Honda, Mazda, Ford, GM, etc.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 Tnx for info.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    ALL: The negative prices are NOT REAL OIL PRICES AS OF TODAY. They are OIL FUTURES Prices. They reflect the information that there is NO PLACE to STORE the oil (currently tanker freight rates are SKY HIGH and lucky tanker owners become billionairwes because the huge ships are used just as STORAGE). They are NOT real prices, so don’t get too excited (Cwolf would use a more colorful expression here involving your pants)

  38. Dave Says:

    I hope caddy does work on the overall quality of the wagon if they do one. I had a CTs wagon, non v, even though it looked great it was the worst car I had ever owned