AD #2820 – Car Buyers Skipping Payments; EV Sales Face Uphill Climb; Daimler & Volvo to Form Fuel Cell Joint Venture

April 21st, 2020 at 11:48am

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Runtime: 10:46

0:07 Nissan Locks Things Down in Japan
0:30 Car Buyers Start Skipping Payments
0:59 In-House Credit Arms Will Lose Billions
1:43 EV Sales Face Uphill Climb
3:27 Daimler & Volvo to Form Fuel Cell JV
4:01 Audi Reveals New A3 Sedan
4:49 SKODA’s Lesser Known Off-Road Agromobil
5:52 IMS Continues to Open Its Digital Archives
6:06 Safety & Connectivity Features of Hyundai’s i20
6:58 Byton Says Its Huge Screen Won’t Be Distracting
8:52 GM Goes All In On Renewable Energy
9:47 Ford Shows EVs Are Quieter Than ICE Vehicles

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21 Comments to “AD #2820 – Car Buyers Skipping Payments; EV Sales Face Uphill Climb; Daimler & Volvo to Form Fuel Cell Joint Venture”

  1. rick Says:

    great news of daimler & volvo trucks forming fuel cell joint venture, hopefully them along with nikola trucks fuel cells we can look forward to cleaner air better environment. frank markus had a good article in motor trend about research and development going on in australia converting ammonia to hydrogen at the pump,looks promising,very promising.

  2. ArtG Says:

    What speed was the 69db reading recorded at? Without knowing that, there’s no basis for comparison. It’s not that impressive for a car running on electric only. There are plenty of ICE-only cars that can do better than that but maybe not in that price class.

    Interesting because Ford ran a huge advertising campaign in 1965,claiming that the Galaxie was quieter than a Rolls-Royce:

  3. Bob Wilson Says:

    About Autoline After Hours, I look forward to Bob Galyen, the Chief Technical Officer, an engineer, and already sent my questions to “[email protected]”. I’m curious about the tradeoff between many smaller, redundant cells versus a much smaller number of huge cells.

    I also noticed Autoline After Hours lists Anton Wahlman,, a well known, Tesla SHORT advocate like ‘Montana Skeptic.’ By doing the opposite of their advice, I paid off my Tesla Model 3 and still have my original 401k capital in TSLA stock. Issuing $2B in February, Tesla got a nice buffer for the current market where major manufacturers are seeing loans to stay solvent. Regardless, the Tesla Q1 2020 earnings report is expected April 29, 2020, a week away.

  4. Roger T Says:

    I wonder how many people are skipping payments because they were given a choice by the manufacturers. I know both GM and Mazda are volunteering that option, with no penalty. Obviously these are intended for those who lost income in this period but some I’m sure are just taking advantage of this because they can.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 I remember those Ford ads, from when they were run. I would have been 18 yo.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 I’d be interested in Bob Galyen’s thoughts on cylindrical vs flat “pouch” cells. Tesla uses cylindrical cells and, to my knowledge, nearly everyone else uses flat cells. Tesla is now using two different sizes of cells, Model 3 using somewhat larger cells than earlier models.

  7. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I think that if fuel cells move forward, big rigs and other structured travel would be the best place for them, almost like EV; plug in, go on your route to where you can refuel/charge, repeat. I see no reason to create another infrastructure of hydrogen (at this time). If, like batteries they get cheaper to the point of making more sense than other alternatives, then perhaps move forward with hydrogen in other transportation venues.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I still don’t “get” the whole fuel cell thing. Natural gas/methane is the usual feed stock for industrial production of hydrogen. You can get hydrogen by electrolyzing water, but if you do that, why not just use the electricity to, say, charge batteries, or feed it to the power grid.

    As far as getting hydrogen from ammonia, that is even more of a mystery. The usual commercial production of ammonia is to get hydrogen from methane, and then use another catalytic reaction to “add” the nitrogen atom. The technique mentioned in #1 must be something totally different, though.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1,8 In Australia, they are using wind and solar power to produce hydrogen to use in producing ammonia, not using ammonia to produce hydrogen. If I missed something, please post a link.

  10. merv Says:

    another great show,thanks

  11. Bob Wilson Says:

    Awesome Shawn! You’ve knocked it out of the park (see web link.)

    “Repair Industry Failing to Attract New Talent – Autoline Exclusives”

    Well worth the time addressing the problem in the repair shops.

  12. Bob Wilson Says:

    Correction “Sean” not “Shawn” … sorry.


    2) The transcript had the link to the ford press release. Seems that it was measured at 30MPH. Not a very fast speed at all. I am not impressed by the number nor their cherry picked cars for comparison. It does not reference when those cars were tested. If it is recent, then you have factors of age breakdown for sound deadening or restoration techniques that may or may not have put the factory sound deadening features back in place. It is all too common for restorations to remove the unseen sound deadening materials.

    For reference though, my 1989 Merkur Scorpio was tested at the time of release and achieved 67dB at a much higher speed of 55MPH. It is a very quiet car even at 85MPH.

    If this is what Ford is touting as EV success, then they have a long way to go to catch up to where they were in the 80s in terms of interior noise.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Even if those 60s and 70s Cortinas, Anglias, etc. were tested when new, or restored as new, they would be very noisy compared to nearly all current cars.

    To me, the place where interior quietness of a car matters is at highway speed, where differences between an EV and an ICE cars would mostly disappear, other things being equal. It looks like they did their test at 30 mph to create a large difference between the EV and other cars, especially older ones.

    It sounds like they did a good job with cabin noise in your Scorpio, as they needed to. As I remember, those cars cost almost Cadillac DeVille prices when new.

  15. Larry D. Says:

    Seriously, Ford and Hackett? You have “proven” that BEVs are quieter than ICEs? Are you effing serious? Reminds me of a government funded research back in the years $ was REALLY wasted, which ‘proved’ that strippers have ‘larger’ breasts than the average female.

  16. Larry D. Says:

    In addition, BEVs will do FAR BETTER than ICEs on average. Maybe COMPLIANCE loser BEVs will continue to have Dismal Sales, BUT the “Got to have them” successful BEVs from Tesla, which is a FACT, and possibly from Rivian (optimists are usually right) will do JUST FINE.

    Wiser to worry about Ford going broke and being bailed out. Not to mention the other two overachievers from Detroit. LOL.

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  18. Larry D. Says:

    Sanity returns to SOME automakers.

  19. Larry D. Says:

    Sad story, could not read the full text (requires subscription)

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 The video wouldn’t play on my computer, requiring a subscription, but played on my phone. I guess they are ok with a 5 inch screen, but not a 15 inch screen.

  21. Larry D. Says:

    20 The PM and AM videos are always free while many other articles require subscription. I can see them in both the 15.6″ laptop screen and the 21″ desktop screens here. The PM video is usually done by a guy who can be barely heard, he speaks too low or whatever. They need to fix the volume or he needs to speak up. (that only on the laptop, the desktops have powerful speakers).