AD #2838 – New CATL Battery Reduces Cost; Tesla Working on Million Mile Battery; Renault Axing Sedans & Minivans

May 15th, 2020 at 11:54am

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Runtime: 10:21

0:07 New CATL Battery Greatly Reduces Cost
0:51 Tesla & CATL Working on Million Mile Battery Life
2:11 Renault Axing Sedans & Minivans
2:51 Head of Nissan North America Steps Down
3:19 Infiniti Appoints New Chairman
3:50 GM Plant Going 100% Solar
4:32 Price of Escalade Super Cruise Feature Revealed
5:03 New Escalade w/ V8 Engine Less Efficient
5:45 GM’s Cruise Makes Job Cuts
6:10 NVIDIA Shifts Focus from AV to ADAS
6:39 Still Get Your Classic Car Fix
7:26 IIHS’ Recommendations to Improve ADAS
9:26 IIHS to Livestream Crash Procedures

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38 Comments to “AD #2838 – New CATL Battery Reduces Cost; Tesla Working on Million Mile Battery; Renault Axing Sedans & Minivans”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Escalade is a gas hog, even a little worse than the Lincoln Navigator with its turbo V6, but do people who buy these things even care? I’d guess they don’t, especially with the dirt cheap gas we now have.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Will Renault’s other brands like Dacia keep making cars, or will they abandon that market like Ford has in the US?

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    Nice to see GM being so proactive with energy consumption for their plants. Corporations that do things like that probably don’t get enough credit.

  4. joe Says:

    Now that GM has the best battery, of coarse Tesla has to brag that they will have something just as good or better. That’s how Tesla works. Tesla has a reputation of exaggerating anything and everything. Here’s a list of what I’m saying.

    https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a31226611/gm-ultium-electric-vehicle-battery-revealed/

    https://seekingalpha.com/instablog/1017993-bill-maurer/4998156-teslas-growing-failure-list-august-2019-update

  5. WineGeek Says:

    $5,500 for Super Cruise give me a break and we get worse gas mileage than ever. This is a bargain, where do I get in line for this new Escalade!!!!!

  6. Joe Pastor Says:

    Another sedan got axed today as well, John, Acura announced that 2020 will be the last model year for the RLX in North America. And all us TLX owners are hearing the fully redesigned TLX will debut on 28 May.

  7. Jonathan Says:

    Made in China..forget about it.

    Time to steak their intellectual properties for fun.

    Payback is going to be a bitch for china.

  8. Jonathan Says:

    Catl the Chinese company can kiss my american butt.

  9. Jonathan Says:

    Intellectual property theft for years by the Chinese will allow America to rightly force pay back at massive levels.. as we Americans steal their intellectual properties and start ww3..!

    The Chinese will go insane

    Payback is a bitch

  10. JoeS Says:

    7 Agreed!

  11. rick Says:

    if tesla succeeds with new battery tech they’ll prove lutz wrong, they’ll have something nobody else has. new escalade V8 less efficient how could that be with cylinder de-activation? maybe they started with more than needed to begin with, just sayin.

  12. Jonathan Says:

    With oil in negative price territory..I think we have a game changer going in unless you care about the environment…

    Which sadly most consumers don’t when it comes to saving money.

    Chinese electricity is generated from dirty coal facilities so basically it’s almost ironic

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9. The new Escalade is bigger, including 3 inches taller than the outgoing one, which could partly explain the worse mpg. Also, tests seems to sometimes vary year to year. An example is that a “base” 2017 Corvette had worse ratings than a 2016, even there were no changes that I’m aware of.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=36441&id=37870&id=36440&id=37869

    If anyone knows of any actual powertrain changes between ’16 and ’17 Corvettes, let us know.

  14. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    Good news that battery tech may achieve cost parity with ICE. I doubt that is going to translate into price parity for the consumer anytime soon.

    I am also happy that GM is looking to renewable for their factory. They should be applauded for their effort on this. Beyond the marketing buzz they can get today, their investment should be fully paid for in 20 years. I am more impressed that GM would think that long term then I am with them installing solar panels. Lets hope other companies follow suit and come to the same conclusion.

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @4, 7, 8, 9: Giga Factory, then Tera Factory. Since I am expecting this will be the next step by TESLA I already looked it up on Google: 1,000X Tera is … Peta! So forget about the Tera Factory, hold your breath for the announcement of the real thing, the Peta Factory.

  16. ChuckGrenci Says:

    So are we in the midst of a battery ‘war’; well probably not, though we are seeing some pretty good progress. There has also been rumblings of a near ready solid state battery so this should also give BEV a boost. I still see for the foreseeable future, co-existing ICE, BEV and to a lesser extent other alternative technologies.

    The Escalade is just another choice a buyer can make; cost is almost inconsequential with this model, and with the 6.2 gas and the diesel a no cost option it will be interesting to see the take rate (and what that says about the buyer).

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ll be surprised if the take of the diesel is very high. In CR’s tests of Silverado, the 5.3 V8 was a second quicker to 60, 6.9 vs 7.9 seconds. More importantly, the V8 was much quicker from 45 to 65 mph, 3.9 vs 5.2 seconds. The difference in the Escalade, using the 6.2 V8, would be greater. The diesel got 35% better “overall” mpg in the Silverado.

  18. Ziggy Says:

    “Tesla is working with CATL to develop an EV battery that will last 1 million miles” John, what’s the point of an EV battery lasting 1 million miles when most vehicles don’t get driven more than 200-300 thousand miles? Seems like unnecessary overkill and adding needlessly to the cost of the battery and vehicle. What am I missing?

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 I wonder how many years you can take to drive those million miles miles. From my experience, years, as much as charge/discharge cycles determines battery lifetime.

  20. Roger T Says:

    nice hat John

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 John must have the only one in the world. At least I don’t see it in the Autoline store.

  22. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Charles Leclerc and Carlos Sainz will battle for Ferarri in 2021 and 2022; link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfr2JbNJNHk

  23. Larry D. Says:

    IF the $80/kwh is true, this is TRULY EARTH SHAKING NEWS, but do not expect the likes of Jope and Cwolf and the other Tesla haters to ever appreciate it. COnventional wisdom was that the cost will converge to $100 /kwh, and that in some years from now, but as usual, conventional wisdom is WRONG and MYOPIC.

    As I said and will keep saying MANY times, The Optimists are correct 99% of the time, while the Media ALWAYS love to feature the pessimists, even if they are unvetted CHARLATANS with no clue, as were the “peak oil” clowns 10 years ago.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 I didn’t expect any news about that so quickly. I guess the next interesting driver news will be who goes to Renault.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I just drove about 660 miles from Cape Canaveral, FL to Athens Tennessee. A have a few observations. Apparently not many people drive Teslas on road trips, even though they have the best charging network in EV-dom. I saw zero Teslas during the trip. Meanwhile, I saw one Fiero, one Datsun 240Z (on a trailer), about a dozen Challengers, and a couple Corvettes. There were a zillion Nissans of various types on the road, considering “nobody buys them.” Of course, more than half of the vehicles on the road were various types and brands of CUVs and SUVs, along with a lot of pickup trucks and minivans. I was driving about at, or a little above the median speed.

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    25, Surprising you didn’t see any Teslas; would have figured you’d see some locals on their local roads at least. What was your route; past Daytona, Jacksonville (I-95) I wouldn’t think a Tesla would be so rare. Now heading towards Tennessee, and even on the interstates, the further from the coast, I would think less Teslas. Glad you had a safe trip.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26. I took I-95 to I-10 using the JAX bypass, and I-10 to I-75. I go to Jacksonville about every two months on the same stretch of I-95, and often see a Tesla, sometimes two, usually around Daytona, but not today. I was surprised to see so many Challengers, since total sales since the 2008 revival would be, what, 600K. Total Tesla US sales would be similar, but I guess most of them are in California.

    I have about 460 miles to go tomorrow, to my destination in Indiana.

  28. Larry D. Says:

    25 Actually I am not surprised at all. First, this is not “Tesla Country”, and second, and most important, very few Tesla buyers use them on long trips, especially in regions of the US and overseas where the fast supercharger network is underdeveloped.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    On the topic of the 1,000,000 mile battery, I will not have driven 1,000,000 if I add all tne cars I drove AND will drive to the end of my hopefully very long life put TOGETHER.

    I would be far more interested in a BEV with 800 mile Warm weather range (equal to my HWY range with my Merc diesel), translasting in more than 500-600 miles winter range, and faster superchargers available on all main roads.

    BTW my obsolete 10 year laptop on which I still write this, never had a long battery life, 3 hours and if intensively used barely 2 hours when it was new, but now it is more like one hour and change.

    (I understand Tesla batteries are quite different than my one big laptop battery, BTW)

  30. Larry D. Says:

    On Fri I did my weekly shopping and the (once in 45 days) gas at the same Kroger parking lot). This was the first time in 4 years I paid less than $2 for diesel (2.039 but my cc has a 2% cash back so it’s $1.99). $36 to fill the 21 gal tank, which was close to ‘reserve level” before I put gas (but that reserve is an ample 2+ gallons).

    Oil prices have gone up as the demand has increased (not my own demand yet), and maybe thew refineries did what I suggested a month ago, produced less gas and more diesel.

    Premium gas was more than diesel where I pumped, in case anybody cares to compare my diesel E320 to the gas E350.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28. There are enough superchargers to do the trip. I checked, out of curiosity.

    https://www.tesla.com/trips#/?v=MS_2017_75D&o=PT%20CANAVERAL,%20FL%2032920,%20USA_32920%20PT%20CANAVERAL%20Brevard%20County@28.4076485,-80.621591&s=&d=Kokomo,%20IN%2046901,%20USA_46901%20Kokomo%20IN@40.50995,-86.15482689999999

    They show a different route than I took this time, but I use their route sometimes.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30. For some reason, diesel is cheaper in MI than where I am in FL or IN. It is $2.399 at the cheaper places, about the same as premium, and ~60 cents more than regular.

    29. I wish my Camry had your 21 gallon tank. I’d have 800+ miles of fast highway range with a safe reserve, and 1000 miles of range for some of my driving. Today, I put 12.2 gallons in the 13 gallon “official rating” tank. Maybe I ran it lower than I should.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31. A Tesla sure wouldn’t work for my usual mode of highway driving, adding 6 hours to a 16 hour trip. That would turn it into a 2 overnight trip for me, in my “old age.”

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    More F1 news-rumors. Alonso to Renault, again.

    Report: Fernando Alonso Signs ‘Pre-Agreement’ with Renault F1
    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a32529432/report-fernando-alonso-signs-pre-agreement-with-renault-f1-team/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=051720&utm_campaign=nl20346616&utm_term=AUT_Autoweek_Weekend_Racing_Wrapup_Newsletter_Subscribers

  35. Larry D. Says:

    32 Ι also wish I had the diesel all the years I drove the Pontiac 2000, the Accord or the 740 (which also had a 21.5 gal tank I believe, but with my 90+ MPH highway driving, it got only 23-24 MPG on long trips. I did a lot of trips to Wash DC, esp after 9./11 when flying became a pain) and other 500+ mile (one way) locations, and I always wished to do it on one tank, the other cars had about 500 miles of range, the accord had 17 gal tank and the pontiac 13+, (that should have less than 500 miles real range) but the min one way was 530 miles (to Wash DC). Now that I got the diesel, I never needed to do these trips any more.

  36. ChuckGrenci Says:

    34, 2021 is going to be interesting and maybe 2020 if they can get going (but for different reasons). I would love to see an even abbreviated 2020 season if they can get going and be safe for all involved. I tried watching Darlington Sunday but just too long and typical; though I applaud NASCAR for getting back to business and seemingly in a safe format.

  37. Larry D. Says:

    31 there are enough of them on main interstates, but the problem is the time to charge while waiting in the middle of nowhere, and sometimes (in busy places like CA, LA to Vegas etc) most of the outlets will be occupied, meaning more wait to free one of them)

    I am surprised there are not many more Teslas in RHode Island and CT and MA (and NJ) while they think of Texas as their next big market. The short distances in the NE states should make it ideal for them.

  38. Larry D. Says:

    Μοn Morn markets opened another 700 points higher on vaccine expectations. Meanwhile you can sharpen your skills by solving the following: since 1987, I have been allocating my supplementary retrirement contribution (SRA), not the regular one, of $400 a month, among a well known general US Stock mutual fund (whose legendary manager retired early and the fund was consequently not managed as well by his successors), $300 a month, and a Biotech Mutual fund, $100 a month. As of the end of last week, those two investments had accumulated amounts different by just $10k, despite the fact that the General Mutual Fund had almost $120k invested, and Biotech less than $40k (adding apples and oranges here, of course).

    I found the FV function in XL very useful to calculate the average annual rate of return of the above, do not have the numbers in front of me but from memory, the general fund yielded barely more than 9% average annual rate, and the biotech one, 13+%. Maybe 13.45%.

    Q: what were the two accumulated amounts as of this morning?

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