AD #2853 – Tesla Records Strong China Sales; EPA-Estimates for Ford’s Escape Plug-In; Mazda Mazda6 Impressions

June 8th, 2020 at 11:35am

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Runtime: 10:43

0:07 Germany Raises Gas Guzzler Tax
0:41 Germany Mandates EV Chargers at Gas Stations
1:08 Tesla Records Strong China Sales
1:44 ADAS Makes Pimpin’ Your Ride Harder
3:16 Karma Offers Sport and Appearance Package for Revero GT
4:13 EPA-Estimates for Ford’s Escape Plug-In
5:09 Toyota RAV4 Plug-In Goes on Sale in Japan
6:25 Toyota Refreshes Large Fortuner SUV
7:16 Hyundai in Better Inventory Shape Than Kia
8:01 Mazda’s Weak Sales Not a Product Problem

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32 Comments to “AD #2853 – Tesla Records Strong China Sales; EPA-Estimates for Ford’s Escape Plug-In; Mazda Mazda6 Impressions”

  1. Jim Haines Says:

    It’s not very hard to figure Mazda sales because the most reliable car they have is the Miata at our shop Mazda’s are not well thought of when it comes to longevity

  2. NormT Says:

    The Escape Hybrid is beating RAV4 Hybrid on fuelly.com by about 4 mpg currently.

  3. lambo2015 Says:

    I think everyone can agree that EVs need some assistance right now and government giving tax breaks to EVs and taxing the higher emission vehicles will help.
    Mandating gas stations to install EV chargers seems to make sense on the surface but I’m guessing the outcome will be; large gas companies will be investing if not buying electrical plants. Not to mention those charging stations will have a surcharge to recoup the install cost and continue a revenue stream. This will contribute to make EV charging cost just as much as using oil. So yes they will get the long term benefit of cleaner air but the cost advantage to the consumer will not exist.

  4. Ron Paris Says:

    All Mazda SkyActiv gas engines are “a little bit coarse at (cold) startup” because of the design of the catalytic converter fast-preheat system they use. This is not unique to the 2.5l turbo engine.

  5. DenMor Says:

    Ahem, ahem John,

    The RAV4 Hybrid 0-60 mph is 6 seconds, unless you fit an LT5 in the engine bay.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Mazda’s sparse dealer network doesn’t help their sales. I don’t know the numbers of dealers overall, but at both places I live, the closest Mazda dealers are much farther away than the usual mass market brands, including Ford, Chevy, Toyota, Honda, and FCA. VW seems to have the same issue with lack of dealers, at least where I live.

  7. DenMor Says:

    The problem with Mazda is a reputation for very poor long-term reliability. Now that Toyota owns part of Mazda and are cooperating with development, we should see that improve.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5. The RAV4 plug-in has 302 total horsepower, vs 219 for the regular RAV4 hybrid. I don’t know if they just put more “juice” to MG2 and the rear motor for acceleration, or if the hardware is substantially different, but it makes sense that the plug-in would be quicker.

  9. WineGeek Says:

    John the Mazda electronics are terrible. The car drives like a much more expensive entry. The transmission and the electronics are big problems with the electronics being the biggest problem for Mazda.

  10. Larry D. Says:

    1 Exactly. But Mazda and Volvo (which fails not only on reliability but also on its poor value) are both market share losers in the US market, and the Auto press who is in love with both of them is racking their heads because they don’t know why those two are such utter losers.

  11. Larry D. Says:

    I sure am not surprised at Tesla’s STELLAR China sales. AND this is NOT just a one-month blip. It will go upwards and onwards every month from now.

  12. Larry D. Says:

    6 SUBARU has just as sparse a network, and has been the exact opposite of Mazda and VOlvo, because it has VALUE and QUALITY. AND its market share SKYROCKETED the last few years to double what it was 5 years ago or so.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    John:

    No sedan sells as well as it used to, and there is no reason the UNRELIABLE Mazdas would be the exception, while the very reliable Hondas and Toyotas also lose sales.

    There is a REASON (or more) for everything. I would really enjoy if you think about these two losers, Mazda and VOlvo, who produce vehicles that, driven when new, get lots of positive comments from the Auto Press, but then FAIL miserably in Sales. Aren’t you interested to find out for yourself why?

  14. Larry D. Says:

    German gas-guzzler so called “TAX”.

    Germans just doubled their subsidies to BEVs and now they get the $ to do it from the gas-guzzlers.

    However, it is easy for manufacturers, without any loss in performance, and at a reasonable expense, to make their cars mild plug-ins, so they will easily go below the CO2 requirements, and they will escape the so-called ‘tax’.

    Which, if you ask any economist worthy of his or her salt, is not really a ‘tax’, regardless if many governments use it as an easy way to get revenue. It is what these cars OWE the rest of us for the damage they cause to the air etc.

    So it is more like the “Pay AS YOU GO” OR “User Fee” principle of the Great Reagan, who was a major tax CUTTER.

  15. Roger T Says:

    Perhaps people who buy sedans are looking for something different, John. Let me explain. I recently test drove a six and ended up buying a Mazda CX5 for practical reasons. I will say though that what caught my attention is that the ‘zoom zoom’ suspension tuning are great for journalists and Miata buyers who comment on steering, handling, etc, but I confess that here in Houston the Mazda suspension settings are a bit on stiff size. I suspect that commuters who buy new sedans look for more of a relaxed drive than what Mazda 6 offers. I agree Mazdas nowadays look great, inside and out.

  16. Ed Says:

    About Mazda, three years ago was looking at the large suv , and was about to buy, was impressive, but a friend of one who has a shop earned me about the problems with the brand. So I went Toyota again. I think this is common knowledge about them now.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12. Yeah, Subaru has done very well, with about twice the market share of Mazda. Their having mostly crossovers, and crossover-like vehicles helps them, along with good ads, and a cult-like following.

  18. george baresich Says:

    PLEASE BRING YOUR SON BACK

  19. Sean McElroy Says:

    @george baresich – I’ll be back, but for now I’m still at home with my family.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m a little surprised at all the negative comments about Mazda reliability, given that CR and J.D. Power show decent reliability survey results for most models. Maybe it’s that they are reliable for the first few years, but not over the long term.

  21. rick Says:

    in mazda,s case i think its the disappointment of knowing the skyactiv-x is out there somewhere, but where, nobody knows its a big mystery. never seen anything like it promise the moon and deliver nothing, a big fat zero. surprised they’re still in business at all.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21. Some marketing buzzwords are a lot of effective at saying nothing, that others. “Ecoboost” seems to have worked well for Ford, even though it refers to the same thing everyone else is doing, GDI turbocharged engines. Skyactive, Earth Dreams, and some other buzz terms are less effective with customers.

    As far as Skyactive-x, it’s probably one of those things that does not work well, or the idea would have been in use long ago. It will be interesting to see if it ever comes to market. Even if it does, it may be one of those things like Nissan’s variable compression engine, new and different, but accomplishing nothing, except for adding complexity.

  23. Bob Wilson Says:

    Those 11,000 Teslas made in China meant: (1) Fremont line did not have to reconfigure to make Chinese specific Teslas; (2) 5-6 weeks of idle inventory not on docks, ships, and going through customs. Small wonder that Tesla dropped prices $2,000-$5,000 for the Model 3/S/X.

    Hard to quantify but the good will earned with China puts the marker down . . . a hard one for the other EV makers to match. Then shipping Chinese Teslas to Korea, Japan, Southeast Asia, and Australia saves the time, risk, and expense of crossing the Pacific.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Are they making RHD Teslas in China?

  25. Larry D. Says:

    https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/musks-uk-visit-sparks-speculation-about-british-tesla-plant?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200609&utm_content=article2-headline

    It may be speculation, but the idea makes perfect sense, especially given that the UK has no native mass-market Auto Industry.

  26. Larry D. Says:

    20 I heard those before, and going back a long way. A colleague had a 929 and then got a Ford Taurus and it was much better reliab-wise, he told me. Back then Ford and Mazda had a lot of cooperation and sharing in their models, and in fact my colleagues got the same discount they had with Ford, if they bought a Mazda. One of them, who had a sleek Acura Integra dark green with tan leather, bought a 626 after that. I took a ride in it, interior was OK, they supposwedly drive more fun than even Hondas, so it had to be something why they did not sell.

    Once I test drove the so called Mazda Millenia, it was Mazda’s first and last attempt to overprice a 626 and claim it was a luxury car, but it was little, if any, different than a 626 with leather.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The thing I remember about the Millenia, is that it had a funny engine, a “Miller cycle” V6. I think Miller cycle is supercharged, with valve timing similar to Atkinson cycle used in most hybrids. It must not have had any particular advantage over other engines, because you don’t hear much about Miller cycle engines now.

    The Ford and Mazda sharing a platform that I remember are Probe and MX-6. They were the cars to beat in their class in SCCA autocross at the time.

  28. lambo2015 Says:

    My only experience with Mazda was back in the 90s and at that time I knew many components were dealer only items and expensive. Couldn’t get lots of normal parts from places like Autozone. That prevented me from ever wanting a Mazda knowing I would have to get parts from the dealer and their non convenient hours.
    They have probably changed since then..

  29. JWH Says:

    Mazda – I had a 2008 Mazda 3 Hatchback that I put 143,000 mile on with excellent reliability. Only maintenance expenses such as oil changes, tires, brake rotors & pads. Very happy with the vehicle.

    Our younger daughter had a 2007 Mazda 3 with excellent results also.

  30. KarlD Says:

    Larry D had no clue what he is talking about… Subbie is not reliable mostly due to their love for cheap and unrealible Jatco CVT wanna be trannsmission
    Quality of Mazda fit finish design is almost class above always rather cheesy Subbie. Subbie can go as far as its AWD , cheap sale price and need of cheap semiSUV AWD crowd will take them.

  31. Brett Cammack Says:

    As I recall, the Mazda 626 of the late 1990s had terrible issues with reliability of their automatic transmissions. I knew a couple of owners that really liked the car up to the point the tranny grenaded without any warning and left them with a $2,000+ repair bill.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    30 If it’s not the pot calling the Kettle black. Look at the sales growth of Subarus and the Sales decline of Mazdas and VOlvos, and do try to get a CLUE. The facts don’t lie.