AD #2854 – Tesla Roadster Production Starts in 2023; Cyber Attacks Disrupt Honda; Volkswagen Replaces Its CEO

June 9th, 2020 at 11:36am

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0:07 Tesla Roadster Production Starts in 2023
1:28 Cyber Attacks Disrupt Some Honda Production
2:09 Continental Creates Code of Ethics for AI
3:05 Volkswagen Replaces Its CEO
3:55 Hyundai-Kia Improve Heat Pump for EVs
5:25 Online Classrooms Keep Fiat Ducato EV on Track
6:24 Limited-Edition Fiat 500 Costs 35,000 Euros
7:31 Mobileye Tests Lidar-Less Autonomous System
8:45 Parking Gone Wrong

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48 Comments to “AD #2854 – Tesla Roadster Production Starts in 2023; Cyber Attacks Disrupt Honda; Volkswagen Replaces Its CEO”

  1. lambo2015 Says:

    Kind of funny that todays show had so much to do about EV and AV news shared with a story about how Honda had to halt production due to hacking.
    Makes me confident about jumping into a self driving car.

  2. lambo2015 Says:

    $39,700 US for a Fiat 500 and a cord. PASS.
    Although it could be gas and $3900 and I still pass.
    Too bad the Tesla roadster is pushed out and will be so expensive. If they can offer the model 3 for under 40k I’m not sure why they couldn’t build a roadster for that price. Half the doors, windows and seats use identical powertrain. Its a beautiful car. Never understand why its so hard to make an attractive car affordable. Win goes to Corvette again.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2. I suspect the Tesla roadster pricing has more to do with what they think the market will bear, than the cost of making the car, vs. a Model 3. It looks like they consider it a low priority, delaying it to 2023.

  4. Wim van Acker Says:

    John, 2: “The Fiat 500 “La Prima” edition costs nearly 35,000 euro, including a wall charger. That’s a lot of money for a 500, even if it is electric.”

    In which country does it cost EUR 35,000, John?

  5. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Kit – We also reported in May that Tesla is delaying the launch of its Roadster until after it starts making the Cybertruck. In other words, the higher-volume truck is taking priority over low-volume sports car.

  6. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Wim – that’s the price for Europe, without any incentives.

  7. Todd J. Says:

    My thought… Tesla is delaying for the purpose of ensuring the market is solid, and so normal production of other vehicles can return to normal.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5. Yeah, sports cars, in general, are low volume. Also, it’s possible that they’d rather not start selling the Roadster at about the same time C8 Corvettes become more available, for 1/3 the price of the Tesla. They are certainly much different cars, but there would be overlap in interest.

  9. Wim van Acker Says:

    @6, 2, John: it cannot be the “the price in Europe”, since vehicle prices are very different per country due to the different taxation of vehicles. It is the “price in Euros” in a country. Which country is it, Sean?

    When countries use the Euro as their currency, the prices of goods and services are still differently priced. Since this is about a new FIAT product this may be the price in Italy. If it is Italy, those EUR 35,000 are similar to competitive products. Check out the electric Golf on volkswagen.it as an example.

    So, what is your point here? Stating that vehicle prices in a European country are higher than in the U.S.? Or that the Fiat 500 is not competitive with comparable products? In that case, examples, please.

  10. clem zahrobsky Says:

    When electric vans are tested for miles rhey can traveled are empty or loaded to full capacity ??

  11. Bob Wilson Says:

    In 2017:

    “During a speech at a university in Rovereto, Italy, FCA chief executive Sergio Marchionne revealed that the brand loses up to $20,000 on each electric Fiat 500e it sells. By comparison, it was reported last year that General Motors stands to lose $9,000 on every Bolt EV built.”

    My how things have changed in three years.

  12. XA351GT Says:

    Price a sports car where the average guy can afford one and they’d sell in higher volume. 200K for a electric go-kart is a hard pass from me. There isn’t a car out there that I’d spend 100K for let alone 200K. The prices of everything have just gone nuts. The last I saw I think the average price of a new vehicle was in the the High 30 low 40K range. At that rate they are making sure I buy used cars.

  13. bradley cross Says:

    I doubt the Roadster will ever be built but you can be sure Elon will talk about it on twitter for many years to come.

    I would love to see it built but can it really meet those specs?

  14. Wim van Acker Says:

    @12: you would say so. A vehicle like that was the Pontiac Solstice/Saturn Sky/Opel GT. I thought the design was very cool, the price point was low, and still they did not sell well. The Opel version only 7,500 during four production years. I thought it was a very neat vehicle and do not know why they were not selling. Price point too low, so it was not a dream vehicle? I would be interested to know the opinion of others, since I never figured it out. Just in case you ask me why I did not buy one? I had and still have an over 50 year old convertible which was in need of a lot of attention (to put it mildly) so teh Solstice did not fit into my situation.

  15. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Wim – the press release is from Italy, so that’s where the price must be set. I found another report that sets the price at 27,000 pounds in the U.K. Also, the convertible version was sold for 37,900 euro.

  16. Ken Says:

    The photo of the bumper sitting on the curb is obviously staged. I’ve seen enough videos of parking curb encounters gone wrong to know that the front end being torn off is very violent, jarring and loud. No one is not going to notice what they’ve done and just drive away leaving the bumper behind.

  17. Wim van Acker Says:

    @15: okay, thanks for clearing that, so that is in line with at least the e Golf, then.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    @14 – One reason the Kappa triplets did not sell well is that they did not compare well to other small sports car offerings (Miata). It did not have a trunk, just a very small space behind the seats for a small duffle bag. You sat very low in it, giving it a “bathtub” feel. Many people don’t like that. The Miata is low but doesn’t have the high door and bodywork of the Solstice, and it has a relatively roomy trunk, very similar performance, a proven track record and no poor-quality reputation baggage that GM still carries to this day. It had not been that long since the Fiero and its fire-prone 4 cylinder engines.

    Overall, the Kappa triplets styling wrote checks that their powertrains couldn’t cash!

  19. lambo2015 Says:

    14 I would say the Solstice would have done better with a little better looking front end. The sky had a more traditional front end and the Solstice just looked like styling got lazy and just wrapped up the front with a bulbus round shape. Plus the 2008 drop didn’t help which of course disbanded Pontiac and Saturn so that was it for the car only 3-4 years into production. Plus typical GM launched the car with an okay 170hp 4cyl and waited a year to release the highest specific output of any engine by cubic inches in the history of General Motors at 2.1 hp (1.6 kW) per cubic inch. The 260hp 2.0L turbo 4. Which had this been the standard engine things might have been different. That philosophy I will never understand.

    Pontiac was able to sell 138,640 units of the 2 seater Fiero’s in 1984 so the market for a 2 seater cheap sports car can be had. Again it was launched with a 4cyl and took a year to release the V6. BTW the fuel economy ratings for the 1984 Fiero with the 4 cyl was 31/50 and starting price was $7.999. Solstice was $19,915 and fuel rating of 20/28. Hummm

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14. I had a VW Golf Cabriolet at the time, or I might have bought a Solstice. The big negative of Solstice et. al., to me, as mentioned in 18, was lack of cargo space, even compared to a Miata. I thought they looked good, and were fun to drive, though the gear ratios of the 5-speed seemed too widely spaced for a sports car. I never drove any of the later “performance” versions.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19. These are the EPA ratings of first-year Fiero and Solstice with manual transmission, converted to the current system:

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=26585&id=21657&id=6424

    The original rating for the Fiero was 27/47. They have been downwardly adjusted even more than I realized.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Today’s more “affordable” sports cars, like Miata and 86/BRZ start at ~$27-28K, not too expensive as today’s car prices go.

  23. Wim van Acker Says:

    @18, 19, 20, 21: thanks for your insights, very informative. I am OCD and when I have a question like this I continue to think about this, so one item off the list :-) .

  24. Brett Cammack Says:

    19 GM was notorious for introducing a half-hearted effort and then refining it into something decent long after its reputation was destroyed. The Fiero and the Allante are two examples that immediately come to mind.

    Then I think about their admission that 25% of their engineering staff was devoted to taking cost out of existing vehicle parts told me everything I needed to know about the pre-bankruptcy General Motors.

  25. george baresich Says:

    your son is better than you john so bring him back

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 As I remember, power steering was a year away for Fiero, when they dropped the car.

  27. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I had high hopes for the Solstice/Sky. They had a great exterior design and who doesn’t like a small RWD sports car. Unfortunately the Miata was better in every way to the Solstice and for a few dollars more you could get a far superior Audi TT Quattro.

    It was rather amazing to me that GM got it so wrong. All they had to do was be marginally better than a Mazda Miata. The Miata had been out for years so GM had a huge head start in understanding what the market wanted. I am certain that the market did not say give me a car that is slower, handles worse, has less interior space, and almost non-existent cargo space. Oh, and for good measure make sure you contract Playskool to design and build the interior. How they thought they would ever sell them to anyone but the GM faithful is a mystery to me.

    The Kappa twins embody everything that was wrong with GM at the time.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 In this comparo, the Solstice and Miata tied in acceleration, the Pontiac had more people room and rode better, and the Miata handled a little better, and had more cargo space. The Pontic “won,” barely, but cargo space was clearly a low prority with the testers.

    https://www.autoweek.com/news/a2083586/2006-pontiac-solstice-vs-2006-mazda-mx-5-pontiacs-solstice-takes-dead-aim-mazdas-mx/

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 The Miata was the then-new 3rd generation.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    The Great Elon Musk could care less about the Taycan when he put together the AWESOME Tesla ROadster. It can kill the Taycan with extreme ease, and it is priced well above it, which is the OPPOSITE of all other Porsche Rivals, which are usually much cheaper (thinking about the Corvette or the FCA 600-800 HP Challengers here)

    The Roadster is several CLASSES above the Taycan in performance. Even the so-called (RIDICULOUSLY) Taycan “Turbo” S.

    It would be instructive if you put the Roadster’s far superior numbers next to the best numbers the best version of the Taycan can achieve. NO COmparison.

    The Roadster 2.0 will eat Ferraris and Lambos as well, don’t forget.

  31. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/musk-says-solving-tesla-model-y-production-issues-top-priority?utm_source=daily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20200609&utm_content=article8-headline

    A far more important news piece is this one, I thought the Model 3 solved its production issues and the Model Y would be a breeze, compared to the ‘production hell” (Musk’s own words) he fixed back a few months or years ago, but it seems the Y production is not problem-free.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    One suggestion for Tesla. The Snout (grille) on the ROadster looks great. Maybe they can tranfer it to replace the up-turning snout in the Model 3m in its next refresh. One gets used to the existing one, but the Roadster’s looks much better.

  33. Larry D. Says:

    12 calling the SUPERCAR Tesla ROadster a “GO cart” betrays your UTTER IGNORANCE. WHy not STUDY the FACTS before you embarass yourself.

  34. Larry D. Says:

    4 That joke of a rat of a car, the 500, instead of just admitting utter defeat and closing down production and stopping its bleeding, comes out with this UTTERLY RIDICULOUS 35,000 EUROS ($40,000!) price tag.

    This is only comparable to that $150k 4-cyl coffeemaker Volvo “Polestar” in ridiculousness. No wonder both have FAILED MISERABLY in the REAL world.

  35. Larry D. Says:

    12 a former student and then colleague of mine bought a new ( I believe) Fiero in 1987, and had to replace it just MONTHS later, I bet he took a big hit too, with some lousy little Pontiac which was a clone of the Opel Kadette 5-door hatch, I forget its US name.

    Fiero: “All Hat and no Cattle”, as they say in Texas, and ditto for the Solstice. If you want a domestic roadster, get a used Corvette for the same $.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30. Yeah, the Roadster, being a two seat sports car, certainly would not be intended to compete with the 4 door hatchback Taycan, and will far outperform any Taycan.

    It will be interesting to see how the Roadster compares with 1-2M dollar hypercars. It should compete well against them, at least for the first few miles, or for one 0-200 mph run. It may, or may not be able to maintain super performance over time. The Model 3 performance can only do one or two quick 0-60 or quarter mile runs before needing to “take a break.”

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35. The Kadett hatch was called LeMans in the U.S.

    If the guy replaced the Fiero for a reason other than needing more room, I’m surprised. The later Fieros were decent cars, as long as you didn’t want power steering. With the V6, they were fairly quick for the time, and the later one replaced the Chevette front suspension with something better.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34. The Fiat 500, at least the gas one, sells reasonably well in Europe, about 200K a year. It was a mistake trying to sell it in the U.S., though.

  39. JoeS Says:

    37. Unfortunatly the new front end for the Fiero didn’t come till “88, its last year of production. The V-6 was a decent performer for the time and with the mid-engine layout and composite body the front end was light enough that power steering wasn’t a necessity.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    PS wasn’t really needed in a Fiero, but by that time, it was expected, at least as an option, in any car bigger than a Geo Metro. I drove a friend’s a Smart without PS, and the steering was the best part of the car. Yeah, that’s not saying too much.

  41. lambo2015 Says:

    35 Calling the Fiero all hat and no cattle betrays your UTTER IGNORANCE. WHy not STUDY the FACTS before you embarass yourself.
    The car actually had decent performance for the time and it and the Solstice where not built to be on the same level as the Corvette.
    the 1984 Vette 1/4 mile times was 15.6 and the Fiero GT was 16.0 meanwhile the average sedan like say a Old Cutlass with a V8 was turning 19.0 1/4 mile times.
    The problem with the Fiero was GM launched it with a crappy 4cyl that had leaking oil issues that caused engine fires. Had they launched the car with the 2.8L V6 right from the beginning it wouldn’t have gotten the bad reputation and would have started with the proper powertrain.
    As mentioned above, why GM insists on launching vehicles with sub-par powertrains and then releasing a proper engine a year into the program makes no sense to me. They also did it with the suspension as the 1988 did get PS and much more refined suspension. too little to late.
    Seems to be really hard to make a 2 seater Miata fighter that gets decent mileage is fun to drive and sporty without the expectation to compete with Mustangs, Camaros and Corvettes. Neither the Fiero or Solstice was ever intended to.

  42. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41. One of the last Pontiacs to arrive at the dealer near me in Indiana was a Solstice hardtop coupe. Very few of those were made, I think a little over a thousand. If that last one had been a color I liked, rather than black, I might have bought it.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    41, PS was planned for Fiero, but never made it to production, even for 1988 model year.

  44. Bob Wilson Says:

    TSLA been berry berry good to me today.

  45. lambo2015 Says:

    43 You are correct Kit. I thought it had made it into production as I drove a few. At that time I was working for an exhaust manufacturer and we had a few development cars which included the turbo 4 and even a turbo V6. Both were crazy scary/fun to drive. The power steering slated was an electrically assisted version. I remember seeing it but it must have been development cars.

    GM realized it couldn’t offer a much cheaper 2 seater that was quicker than the iconic Vette and for that reason alone the turbo versions were DOA.
    I had a friend that bought an 88 and turbo charged the 2.8l and it was a blast. I don’t think many stock production cars could keep up.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    At a show a few years ago, I saw a Fiero with a very nicely done engine transplant with a Northstar V8. I suspect that is rare.

  47. Larry D. Says:

    41. The Fiero was a SAD JOKE, either in its original or in its later “improved” form, it was the TEXTBOOK DEFINITION of “All HAt and no Cattle”, but I would never expect some guy who owns a FAKE Lambo, which does not even have a Lambo engine, at a minimum, to agree. So was the silly Solstice, a juvenile POS.

  48. Larry D. Says:

    37 Right, it was the Le Mans. The guy at the time just came to the US, he was a PhD student, so he did not need any extra room than the Fiero offered. It was just a DISMAL car, maybe a total lemon too, and he had to trade it for the Le Mans at a huge loss only months after he bought it. Later he only bought BMWs, (a 90s 518, a 1999 316 coupe, and later a 3 liter 530, all kept in immaculate condition, great luxurious interiors) he spent HUGE amounts to buy them in the old country, but he put 200,000 and 300,000 miles on them, he drove them long trips all the time to his other home there. He really knew his European cars, but obviously not the US ones, when he came to the US.