AD #2863 – China Easing Rules for Green Vehicles; Ford Launches New Focus Hybrid; Pickup Owners Split on Electric Trucks

June 22nd, 2020 at 11:39am

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Runtime: 10:09

0:23 Hybrids Re-Classified in China
1:30 China Could Ease Off Green Car Points System
1:59 Toyota RAV4 Prime Beats Initial Estimates
3:08 Ford Launches New Focus Hybrid
4:00 Nissan Eyes Chinese Partner for E-REV Batteries
4:42 When Will Car Sales Recover?
6:18 Plante Moran’s Annual Supplier Survey
7:02 Ford Teases New F-150 Ahead of Debut
7:49 Ford Moves Bronco Reveal
8:22 Ford Survey Shows Dedication of Truck Owners

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36 Comments to “AD #2863 – China Easing Rules for Green Vehicles; Ford Launches New Focus Hybrid; Pickup Owners Split on Electric Trucks”

  1. John Says:

    Although we’ll have to wait a week more, I congratulate Ford on moving the Bronco reveal.

  2. George Ricci Says:

    My wife YES, my dog MAYBE, my truck NEVER!

  3. Roger Says:

    What is sickening is that Ford originally chose to revel the new Bronco on OJ Simpsons birthday, once again tying the Bronco to someone many feel got away with a double homicide.

    That is enough to sway me away from ever owning another Ford in my lifetime.

  4. Sean McElroy Says:

    @George Ricci – The comedian George Carlin once said that people who give their house or car a name should be phased out.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A friend recently traded his F150 on an extra long, extra tall Transit van. He is using it as a combination camper/motorcycle carrier. It has the 3.5 turbo and is horribly thirsty, about 13 mpg on the highway, but has a lot of space. Until he got the van, I didn’t realize that the longest version of Transit is sold only as a “dually,” which hurts efficiency.

  6. Buzzerd Says:

    @3- you think Ford purposely picked that date only to change it stating the fact it is the anniversary date or maybe- crazy idea here- maybe it was just a mistake? Nah, your right, I’m sure they really really want to be associated with that whole mess.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It will be interesting to see how the Bronco sells. It will be the first real competitor to Wrangler/CJ, since the old Toyota Land Cruiser went away in the US market in the 1980s..

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    John/Sean: Although the headlamp design in all these trucks can give a nod to the C-clamp I’m just not sure it conveys all the image they hope is being subliminally conveyed. The exact same shape is being used on many cars and just a basic design outlining the headlamp with an LED strip. Its been done on cars like the Dodge challenger and Ford Mustang to name a few. Although sometimes the cars face their C-clamp outward rather than inward.
    So does it make it appear as anything other than a new headlamp design to me.. Nope.

  9. Oakcabin Says:

    The survey should give the number one reason pickup buyers would not purchase an electric pickup truck – No Loud Exhaust!!!

  10. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Oakcabin – I would not be surprised if some aftermarket company started making “coal rolling” kits for electric trucks.

  11. Don Wagner Says:

    Who figured out the Bronco reveal was on the same date as the OJ cruise and why point that out? I’m sure a lot of other things happened on July 9, so why such a big deal about it?

    And why so much coverage on China? If I can’t buy one, I don’t want to see it on Autoline Daily.

  12. ArtG Says:

    6. Agreed. How many people even know when his birthday is? I certainly didn’t. I guess people have a lot of time on their hands during the pandemic.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    11 Don if I may, the July 9th date was same as OJ birthday not the chase. Why someone figured that out, who knows but my guess is you can thank the internet trolls. Does it matter probably not but best for Ford to move the date anyway.
    As for the coverage on China its important as it may set a precedence for what many other countries may do when classifying Hybrids and it affects makers from all over the world. Plus I don’t believe the US is Autolines only market. They say it right in the beginning of each show.. “the show dedicated to enthusiasts of the global automotive industry.”

  14. Drew Says:

    I saw the updated Focus (not the plug-in) when I was in Europe last year. It looked clean and tasteful. Too many other C-cars try too hard to look different… becoming tasteless.

    It’s a shame we don’t get the new Focus in NA. It fixes the deficiencies of the prior model… rear seat room, automatic transmission, etc. let’s hope some genius performs a white space study and learns there are more incremental sales in re-entering the C-car segment than in thinly slicing another CUV/SUV niche.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Will China count all hybrids the same for their “point” system? I would hope that they don’t, because there is a huge difference between the 48 volt mild hybrids which give, at best, about a 10% improvement in efficiency, while serious hybrids like Toyota and the current Accord hybrid provide a huge improvement, especially in heavy traffic conditions.

    It will be interesting to see what mpg the RAV4 plug-in gets if never plugged in. It might do pretty well, if the drive train at the front is a regular Toyota hybrid setup, and the rear motor doing nothing, and not creating much extra drag most of the time.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14. A friend has the best version of the old Focus, and ST. It is fun to drive, and with the hatch body, is very practical for a car its size. Of course, it is a manual, which spared it having the crappy dual clutch gearbox most US-bound Focii had.

  17. Roger T Says:

    I see on the first slide that 38% said they’d give up sex before they’d give up their trucks??????? I guess truck owners just get bad sex, how else can you explain this?

  18. Roger T Says:

    Still can’t believe it!!!!

    .

  19. NormT Says:

    At almost $50,000 for a RAV4 is like being in the “Telsa Tax” zone!

  20. GM Veteran Says:

    No surprises on the Supplier Satisfaction List. We have worked with all of those companies at one time or another over the last 15 years and the list reflects our experiences with them. The only disappointment is that Tesla was not included in the survey. Not sure why. Ditto for BMW, Daimler, Hyundai/Kia who all have plants in the US.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 …and Subaru, Mazda, VW, and Volvo. How did they fare?

  22. Larry D. Says:

    5 i saw a late model Transit Van in front of me at a light, it looked extremely tall (the cargo cabin) so tall that it almost looked unstable and too narrow. These things should have diesels or Be BEVs or plug-ins.

    Re the Rav4 plug-in, it almost can make my entire round trip from the summer home to downtown (about 45 miles) on electricity. I’d not trade my E diesel in its brilliant white exterior for a Rav4 though, even if it was new.

  23. Larry D. Says:

    4 And he did not mind all these pink Caddilacs from Mary Kay?

    Re the Bronco, I must confess that I wait to see its sales with the iciest indifference possible. In short, I really could care less. It will be a niche vehicle with a short lived fad sales, if any.

  24. Larry D. Says:

    re sales, tell that Fortune Teller jeff Shuster that sales will not only reach their old highs but will exceed them by hundreds of thousands, if not a million units per year, for the obvious reasons I have cited here many times, and most importantly that people will SWITCH from mass transit and planes and trains and buses to their OWN CARS, NOT SHARED RIDES, NO DIRTY UBERS, their OWN cars, and do a ZILLION more miles with them. The only question is WHEN, two years from now? Three? ONE?

    USE YOUR COMMON SENSE, “Forecasters”!

  25. Larry D. Says:

    https://www.ft.com/content/a26fbf7e-48f8-11ea-aeb3-955839e06441

    FaT CV update (see the color chart with the average daily deaths from March until today).

    US-now only 12% of world deaths, June 15-21: 591.

    Latin america, now 48% (!!!) , 2,304

    World total, 4,815.

    And despite all the negative coverage, investors do not seem to care. Another great day on Wall Street today, and not just the Biotech stocks either, in fact the others did twice as good.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22. They make Transit vans in 3 different heights, and 3 different lengths. The tall ones may not be as top heavy as they look, with the roof probably being plastic. They only offer two engines, a naturally aspirated 3.5 gas V6, and a twin turbo 3.5 gas V6. You’d think they’d have a diesel and a gas V8, but they don’t. I suspect the long, tall one would be seriously slow with the non-turbo engine, but would be ok for local delivery, which is probably what a lot of them are used for. My friend got the passenger version, to get the finished, carpeted interior, but will take the seats out, except for the front two.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23. It will be a niche vehicle, competing directly with that other niche vehicle, Jeep Wrangler, which sold 230-240K the last two years. The Jeep is the established one, so I’ll be surprised if the Ford takes too many of those sales, but who knows?

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22,26. Edmunds mentions there being a 2.0 liter 4 cylinder diesel available in the Transit, but the Ford site doesn’t mention it, so It’s probably not actually available. It would be really slow, ~200 hp, even in the short, low version, that probably weighs ~4500 pounds.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    26I’m sure they would not allow them to drive around if they were unstable, I just said it looked too narrow because it was too tall, and just looked unstable. I assumed it would seldom be loaded to the very top, and if so, they would put the lighter items on top and the heaviest at the bottom. I don’t even think it is narrower but much wider than the older Transit Connect tiny vans made in Turkey, which were very narrow.

  30. Larry D. Says:

    last time i was in the Shanghai area for a month last November, most of my colleagues and assistants there who owned EVs did not own pure BEVs but Plug-ins. CHina has twice the charging stations that the US has (while they have the same number of gas stations) but apparently they preferred the safety of the plug-in (range wise) and still saved a lot (they told me how much) in their daily commute which they did on pure electricity. Still, these cars are very expensive there, especially considering their salaries are maybe a tenth of ours here, and I wonder how they financed it (I doubt they did, so where they found the cash to pay for it). Does not agree with their touted very frugal nature and their very high savings and low consumption rate. Of course they are hardly a typical cross-section of the Chinese population, not even of the Shanghai area.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 The long, tall Transit van is 264″L, 109″H, and 81″W.

  32. Lambo2015 Says:

    27 Yea the Bronco will be in direct competition with the Wrangler but may also take some sales from the Escape. How much it can pull from the Wrangler will be interesting to see. Wrangler sold 52K in the 4Q of 2019 and 40K of the Gladiator since its debut in May-Jan. So even the Gladiator is selling better than I expected.
    Wrangler has set the bar pretty high and has a loyal fan base with a long history and millions of aftermarket parts to customize them. Can Ford leap into the segment and draw people away? Probably a small percentage so most of their buyers will probably have to come from ones new to the segment or just loyal Ford folks. If they did a great job they could wiggle their way in and start to pull Wrangler buyers away and for that reason their sales may not peak quickly and drop off, they might actually do a gradual increase with an actual slow start. There will always be the ones that buy because its something new too so it will really just depend on how well of a job Ford did to make this a strong competitor and if they keep the price below a Wrangler will help steal sales.. Might actually force FCA to drop the price of a Wrangler or offer the very rare incentives they put on them.

  33. veh Says:

    “What is sickening is that Ford originally chose to revel the new Bronco on OJ Simpsons birthday, once again tying the Bronco to someone many feel got away with a double homicide.

    That is enough to sway me away from ever owning another Ford in my lifetime.”

    Lighten up, Francis, as the kids say.

    I would be willing to bet that whoever was responsible for the initial scheduling of this reveal was a youngish PR person who read about OJ in a history book and might not even have made the association.

    If someone scheduled a reveal on November 22, I’d be a little shocked but anyone under 60 probably would shrug.

  34. Lambo2015 Says:

    @33 Yeah hard to believe that was 26 years ago, and our judicial system has an abundance of messed up cases where the guilty walk or worse the innocent go to prison. So basically anyone under 30ish would have no recollection of the OJ trial let alone OJs birthday.
    I would hope it was an honest oversite that was pure coincidence. Who would have thought you should do a google search for this day in history and what famous people share their birthday when setting up a press release..? I bet they do from now on.

  35. Brett Cammack Says:

    4

    I never named a car in my life, until we bought the 2nd Mitsubishi Outlander and in it necessitated some way of simply referring to the Mitsubishi Outlander under discussion, hence “Old Red” for the old, red 2006 Mitsubishi Outlander and “Freddy” for the new, Mercury Gray, 2016 Mitsubishi Outlander.

    No affection associated with it. Strictly a pragmatic tool to simplify dialog. :)

  36. Larry D. Says:

    I did name my 83 new Pontiac 2000, but NOT with any human or animal names. I named it for what it was, “Glider”, impressed by its inflated EPA MPG of 46 HWY (a big deal in 1983), even tho I rarely got more than 42, even at the then 55 MPH limit.

    I do not remember naming either of my Hondas, the Civic coupe (1990-08) or the 3 door hatch Civic, despite their many virtues. But then Japanese cars are perceived as appliances and I never named an appliance.

    When I got that gorgeous, flagship, perfectly handling BMW 740IL, I thought of it as a Decathlete (the most superb and well balanced track and field athletes, who get none of the glory runners and throwers get), because it did almost everything perfectly (except city MPG, but in the land of Dirt-Cheap Gas, who cares?)

    No name yet for either of my very satisfying (but also very different than the BMW above) E Bluetecs. They also seem to do everything right, but more like the good and good looking housewife, while the BMW was more like a high-maintenance trophy one.