AD #2872 – Hyundai Veloster N Impressions; Porsche 3D Prints Pistons; GM Cuts Shift at Wentzville Plant

July 13th, 2020 at 11:56am

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Runtime: 8:10

0:07 GM Cuts Shift at Wentzville Plant
1:19 Tesla Drops the Price of The Model Y
2:18 Porsche 3D Prints Pistons In 911 GT2 RS
3:07 Jeep Teases New Wrangler or Gladiator Engine
3:47 Kia Shows Off the Interior of The New Sedona
4:46 All-New Bronco Debuts Tonight
5:14 Hyundai Veloster N Impressions

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34 Comments to “AD #2872 – Hyundai Veloster N Impressions; Porsche 3D Prints Pistons; GM Cuts Shift at Wentzville Plant”

  1. Ken Says:

    It’s one thing to 3d print a body part or trim piece, something else entirely to use that tech on something subjected to extreme conditions of the combustion engine. I assume Porsche did some testing, but I tell you I would NOT want engine parts on my vehicle to be manufactured that way. I foresee catastrophic engine failure and huge repair costs on those engines.

  2. Wim van Acker Says:

    @2, John: what would be the proper pedal position? You showed the Miyata as an example, but I still did not get it. Sorry about that.

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    But it you put the pedals in the proper position the car is more likely to drive into the side of a building or someone’s living room so I guess Hyundai is erring on the caution side.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    1. I was thinking the same thing about those Porsche pistons. 3D printing is cool, for making demonstration adjustable wrenches out of plastic, and you can lighten things by “printing” voids inside a seemingly solid object, but pistons, and not for just any engine, but an extra high performance engine? It sure doesn’t sound very good to me.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Veloster Type N was Road and Track’s “performance car of the year,” beating out the C8, 911, Supra, and a Lamborghini or two. These awards are really, uh, subjective, with a big dollop of “value” in the equation here.

    https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-comparison-tests/a29640493/2020-performance-car-of-the-year/

  6. Jeff Taylor Says:

    Saying you can’t be a real enthusiast if you can’t heel and toe is a bit harsh and I would say unfair. Especially true since so few cars even offer a manual today.

    I think we should be happy that there is a N model at all I’m sure the business case for this type of car is pretty sketchy these days, especially with a manual transmission.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    Slow news day but Cutting the Y prices is significant AND good news for many.

    You are DEAD WRONG, BTW, that “automakers do not cut prices when sales are strong”.

    Study your AUTO HISTORY.

    The Model T, which was the Model 3 of the 20th century, Went down from $850 to $250!!!!!! As its volume SKYROCKETED.

    Wise up.

  8. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I’m thinking that if they can make pistons by the sintering process, why not the 3-D printer (laser) process. Instead of pressing the metal into a dye and heating it to fusion, the laser fuses the metal as it is being printed. I’m guessing the finished printed pistons would have to be heat treated and machined, but maybe, be just as strong. Also wondering what a piston would cost, each, not cheap I’m sure.

    Road and Track must have had their head (you know where) to crown their pick for performance car of the year above some of the others; you know I’m sure the Veloster is a very good vehicle, but sometimes journalist say stuff for effect too (you be the judge).

  9. Barry T Says:

    Guys, how precise is forging? Listening to the advantages of 3D “printing” I’m thinking Porsche isn’t just acting crazy… that’s a cool story.

  10. Buzzerd Says:

    @9 Come on dude, what do a bunch of engineers know compared to us.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8. The Veloster N is a good performance car, for a front driver, for the price, but “performance car of the year,” according to a previously respectable publication? I guess R and T just wanted to get some attention.

    As far as those pistons, time will tell if there are a lot of grenaded engines in the cars using them.

  12. Bob Petrach Says:

    On the pistons – Laser sintering versus forging. Talk to John Tenbusch at Linear Mold and Engieering. https://www.linearams.com/markets/ They have been doing parts for molds and aerospace for years with densities and strength as good (maybe even better) than forgings and have worked with NSF on standards for both process control, raw material and testing.

  13. XA351GT Says:

    Model T = Model 3 HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

  14. ArtG Says:

    Well, cutting the price of the Model T is certainly relevant to today’s market.

  15. Ziggy Says:

    John, why didn’t you show pictures of the Veloster pedal set up like you did with the Miata? It would have gone a long ways to making your point but instead we only have your opinion on this, next time consider side-by-side pictures of what you are going on about.

  16. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I think JEEP would be better off not making a special edition with a 392 and spend those resources on making the base engine achieve better power. While they are at it; they can get their quality and reliability up so that they are not at or near the bottom of every metric chart known to the automotive world.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’m not surprised that Jeep is doing a V8 Wrangler. Actually, I’m surprised they didn’t do that years ago. Maybe they saved it for the arrival of the Bronco.

  18. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The 392 Hemi Wrangler is a concept Jeep (not cast in stone as a new model offering); mostly to spoil Ford’s unveil of the Bronco tonight. But I’m betting, depending on how Bronco launches, there just might be a hemi in Jeep’s future. No rush for Jeep to commit, Bronco’s won’t be hitting the sales floor till, I believe, next year. An engine retro-fit wouldn’t take as long as a whole new vehicle launch; maybe they are doing the background development (just in case).

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18. If they decide to put the 392 (or 5.7) in the Wrangler, it shouldn’t take long to get it done. Unlike the old 1957-1958 392 hemi, the new 392 is not huge, (and hugely heavy). It is probably physically bigger than a Chevy small block, but should easily fit in a Wrangler/Gladiator, and fit up with the 8-speed automatics they already use in Wrangler, and about every other rwd/4wd Mopar product.

  20. XA351GT Says:

    That V8 Wrangler maybe they could call it the Deathwish edition. That much HP in that surely would be a Deathwish.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20. …to go along with the death wobble?

    Speaking of V8 Jeeps, didn’t AMC sell CJs with V8s, or were those all transplants?

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Haas want Vettel for 2021?

    https://www.autoweek.com/racing/formula-1/a33296033/vettel-haas-f1-team-happy-talk/?source=nl&utm_source=nl_aut&utm_medium=email&date=071320&utm_campaign=nl20898255&utm_term=AUT_Autoweek_Racing_Daily_Newsletter_Subscribers

  23. Ziggy Says:

    @22 Thanks Kit for that article on Vettel, it may be his only offer if things don’t go better for him this season, he seems cursed and can’t buy a break these days. Not that I am sorry to see Ferrari do bad, Karma has caught up to them for all the crap they put Barrichello through when he was teamed up with Schumacher.

  24. ChuckGrenci Says:

    22, Thanks for the Vettel link. Sebastian doesn’t need the money so he’ll probably look at his options, find one that makes him happy (less pressure) and either take that sabbatical, retire or drive for a team that he might have a little bit more fun with.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Given his recent history of few moments of brilliance, and too many mistakes, Vettel is not going to get a ride with one of the top teams. I guess it’s official that he won’t be with Ferrari next year. It would be interesting to see him with Haas, and who knows, things could come together for them, at least making it to mid-pack, where they were for a while.

    I’d think he might “retire” to other types of racing, like sports cars, or maybe try the Indy 500, like Alonso has done. I don’t expect to see him in NASCAR, though.

  26. Terry Says:

    I don’t “get” the concern that a car with a manual transmission needs heel and toe pedal position, IF the car already has rev matching on the shift. I track a 2002 Corvette Z06. It has good throttle and brake pedal position, and with a 6 spd manual, toe and heel skill is a requirement. But I look forward to the next car I buy having rev match, and that will allow me to get better as I concentrate on other skills.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26. To me, automatic rev matching removes some of the fun of driving a manual, where it’s fun to do a good job of manually matching revs, at least in street driving. Neither of my manual trans cars have rev matching, but I’ve driven a C7 Corvette with it. It works well, but if I owned the car, I’d have it turned off most of the time. I suspect most cars with automatic rev matching have the option of turning it off.

    I drove a Porsche Cayman not too long ago, and to my knowledge, it didn’t have auto rev matching. If it did, it was turned off. I guess they want to remain “pure” in some respects. Probably 80% of Caymans sold, though, at least in the US, are automatic.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    About the Model Y price reduction, Sandy Munro has completed the cost comparison report between the Model 3 and Model Y. In the video, Sandy says the cost reduction is significant but you’ll have to buy the report.

  29. Larry D. Says:

    At the corner Speedway station, for many days now, Diesel is actually 10C cheaper than even the cheapest gas:

    Unleaded regular $2.259
    Diesel $2.159

  30. JWH Says:

    #21 – AMC did put V-8′s at least in the CJ-7. Our 1979 CJ-7 had a 304 cid V-8.

  31. lambo2015 Says:

    Ford and GM having issues with getting enough engines is very concerning to me. If the plant is requiring them to run the plants with half the employees this means their standard operations have to be altered. Meaning the assembly line has likely been slowed down and they require an operator to do two jobs. All I know is that when you make changes to standard procedures that’s where 90% of your quality problems come from. You can expect some engine issues to come out of all this..

    V8 Wrangler/Gladiator; People have been doing small block Chevy swaps on Wranglers for years. Especially when they were very much underpowered like in the 80s and 90s. Not sure its needed now but more of a publicity steal right before the Bronco reveal.

    1) Porsche Pistons; sounds promising. No doubt they have done their due-diligents and would not even consider them if they did not have the proper strength and performance needed..
    Lots of people have no idea the manufacturing methods being used. Sounds crazy but just like Ford who use Plasma Transfer wire arc for cylinder liners rather than conventional sleeves on their aluminum blocks, its a proven process.

  32. lambo2015 Says:

    29 Just got back from Texas where gas is running about $1.75 a gallon still.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    In central Indiana, regular gas is ~$2.20, and diesel $2.40.

    If they do a V8 Wrangler, they should probably do a lowered, street oriented version, like the Grand Cherokee Track Hawk. If they made a lifted, easily rollable Wrangler with 400+ hp, it would probably set new records for fatalities/100K miles.

    I don’t think I’d want to buy any car made during the last month or two. I’d expect quality issues in all of them, with the changes in procedures at the factories.

    I just read a Tesla Model Y test in Car & Driver, and they liked the Model 3 a lot better, except for the hatchback utility. Both cars had the same powertrain, the non-performance 4wd. They seemed to indicate that the extra height and weight of the Y made a very noticeable difference in the way it drove, both in acceleration and handling feel.

  34. lambo2015 Says:

    33 Sounds like the Y is basically the same vehicle as the model 3 with a few extra inches here and there and 15K more. My guess is the few extra inches doesn’t justify the price hike.