AD #2929 – Shelby GT350 Discontinued; Farley Wastes No Time Shaking Up Ford; Could Hyundai Race at Le Mans?

October 1st, 2020 at 11:58am

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Runtime: 9:45

0:23 Farley Wastes No Time Shaking Up Ford
1:36 Could VW Spin-Off Lamborghini?
3:47 GM Moves Closer to Renewable Energy Goal
4:36 Ford Beefs Up European Transit
5:36 Shelby GT350 Discontinued
6:35 Could Hyundai Race at Le Mans?
8:12 Old Drivers Not as Dangerous as We Think
9:00 IIHS Creates Fun Lego Stop Motion Video

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40 Comments to “AD #2929 – Shelby GT350 Discontinued; Farley Wastes No Time Shaking Up Ford; Could Hyundai Race at Le Mans?”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like Ford is getting ready to completely abandon the car business in the US, in dropping the GT350. The regular Mustang GT will be next to go, and then the “ecoboost.”

  2. Larry D. Says:

    Seriously, you are impressed that Farley gave Falotico, the failed Lincoln VP, more responsibilities? She has been with Ford FOREVER and did NOT achieve much. SHe is NOT an enthusiast or a product person, she is a MARKETING type, which, coincidentally, was what Farley was doing at Toyota before he convinced Ford to hire him, with negligible achievements also. ( I do not consider promotions achievements!)

  3. Larry D. Says:

    1 if this is what they do, it can only help the profitability of the car segment. When a segment goes from 60 and 70% to 30% of the market, in order to remain profitable, it has to SLASH its number of models, whether consumers hate it or not. If Ford stops building cars, this is good news for FCA and GM at first, and Honda and Toyota second, even that miserable junkmaker Nissan will benefit.

  4. Bob Wilson Says:

    With the growing numbers and areas of ‘EV only’ cities, the gas Transit seems short sighted.

  5. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Bob Wilson – There is a PHEV version of the Transit and an all-electric one is coming in 2022.

  6. Barry T Says:

    It seems to me a beefed up transit is a way to save trips by giving it more payload, has nothing to do with the powertrain which I’m sure will continue to evolve with time as the market asks for it.

    I won’t miss Hackett – Farley will give Ford a steadier vision that makes more sense for the future market. Might make a few mistakes along that way, but more boldness is needed. I give you Elon as an example.

  7. Larry D. Says:

    6 I sure will not miss Hackett, he probably was the most clueless of all recent failed Ford chiefs after Mullaly. I just don’t really trust Farley, he always came across as a cheerleader whose words carry little weight for me.

  8. wmb Says:

    Would hate to see VW spin off Lambo for, after years teetering on bankruptcy, since their acquisition by VW, under control of the Audi brand, these have been some of the best years they have ever had. What will be interesting, hysterical, would be if they did spend it off and Ferrari purchase them! Or, better yet, come under the control of the conglomerate that FCA would be a part of and replace the pun off Ferrari brand with Lamborghini.

  9. Lex Says:

    Let’s give Jim Farley a chance to prove himself and breathe new life into the Blue Oval!

    Alan Mulally had put Ford on the right track, but Mark Fields and Jim Hackett both dropped the ball. I hope Jim Farley will bring back Ford’s advertising motto “At Ford, Quality is Job One!” Jim has the opportunity to infuse Ford with his vitality and vision of motoring into the future.

    I believe consumers want Quality, Reliability, Affordability, Practicality and Performance rolled into every segment in the automotive landscape.

    I would like to wish Jim Farley much success in his new role as President and CEO at Ford.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yesterday, a huge white van drove in my driveway. It turned out to be a new, not yet decorated FedEx Transit, delivering something I had ordered. For that purpose, I suspect volume is what is needed, rather than ability to carry lots of weight. It was probably the longest, tallest of several Transit versions made. I don’t know what powertrain it had, but it was not electric. The Transit is a big success story for Ford, both in the US and globally. It has about 38% big van market share in the US, almost double that of the decades old Chevy Express, which was 2nd.

  11. Roger T Says:

    Sean, older drivers are safer because they drive without using their smart phones. So they are the ones benefiting the most from safer cars and infrastructure.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 Huh? I’d think younger drivers would benefit more from safer cars, because they crash more often.

  13. Larry D. Says:

    10 i’m also pretty sure that Fedex and UPS vans are volume, not weight limited. Not sure about the new USPS Dodge vans. I saw one in my condo complex the last few weeks before I left, and it did not at all look like a USPS van, like th e previous gen. I bet it has some mild hybrid.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13. If you mean the USPS ProMaster vans, they have the 3.6 V6, 6-speed auto powertrain. They’d be good for volume, but not weight, being front drive, with a lower floor than Transit and other competitors.

  15. Eric Brunner Says:

    Based on personal experience when our company rented a Penske Transit where I have a part-time delivery job, they are terrible in the wet and snow. No traction at all. At the same time we had the Nissan NV2500′s and they were much better handling and tractable vehicles. Also that cab design for the Transit is really cramped. The floor level in the cargo area is quite high. At 6’2″, I still did not like having to heave myself up at the side door to access the cargo area.

  16. Roger Blose Says:

    Jim Farley is a true car guy and owns several race and classic Fords. All he has to do is bring back a sedan or two to keep us car buyers from going to the competition.
    Yesterday I saw that my mail carrier was driving a brand new mail truck. His old 32 year old “iron duke Gruman” was replaced with a small Mercede van. Yikes!! He loves the new wheels with A/C, airbags, front wheel drive, and a radio. This ride runs on 91 premium fuel he told me. So much for supporting the American brands and look out for a postal increase coming!

  17. Brett Cammack Says:


    I think you’ve got that wrong. Quoting the transcript: “Joy Falotico, who was running Lincoln and was the Chief Marketing Officer of the Ford Motor Company will give up her CMO role and concentrate exclusively on Lincoln. A new CMO will be announced soon.”

    Sounds like a semi-demotion to me.

  18. Larry D. Says:

    17 You are probably right. She is still a marketing person and is misplaced to run Lincoln. She must also be very close to retirement if not overdue. At BMW the CEOs retire at 60. WHat is the policy (if any) at Ford?

  19. XA351GT Says:

    It was pretty well explained that when the GT500 came on the GT350 would go and with the Mach 1 coming back it will step into the role of the 2nd in command in the Mustang line up. I don’t believe it will go anywhere . As Ford still wants to have a presence in NASCAR and it is the only car it has left in which to compete. Which makes me wonder what Chevy is doing. I have read that the Camaro has no replacement scheduled for when the current model times out in 2 or 3 years. Considering 1/2 the field of cars in the Xfinity and Cup series are Camaros it could send the sport into a free fall. With the Camaro getting smoked in sales by not only the Mustang but the Challenger I can see Chevy’s reluctance to spend the money on another niche vehicle,

  20. ChuckGrenci Says:

    16, Roger, true it’s sad that the U.S. Mail can’t be delivered by a U.S. owned manufacturer, but to the other extent, I believe the M/B small vans (Sprinter Vans) are produced (at least I think assembled) in Ladson, South Carolina (near Charleston).

  21. Larry D. Says:

    Here in the old country, despite the much lower salaries compared to the US, not only is gas three times as expensive, stamps are FOUR times as expensive, or FIVe, at 2 Euros or so, and the difference between a domestic stamp and one that goes to the other end of the world is negligible, maybe 10 cents. This compensates for the massive loss of business for all post offices as people text and email instead of sending letters.

  22. Larry D. Says:

    GM is between a rock and a hard place here. If it abandons Nikola, as it obviously would LIKE to do, its 11% share of the company, originally valued at 2 billion and now worth less than One billion, may evaporate, as the GM deal is the only major thing Nikola has going for it. If it does not, (fill in the blanks). SO it stalls.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 Is the PS using Sprinter(big), Metris(small), or both?

  24. Larry D. Says:

    5 points Farley made to 20,000 or so FOrd employees. It’s good he sees the need to reduce bureaucracy and complexity. See also his views on BEVs.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    If Farley is true to his word about reducing complexity there are plenty of places to look. You really shouldn’t share components that are related to design like headlamps and door handles but why any manufacturer creates vehicle specific fasteners or a multitude of engine accessories that could be shared. I wish Jim luck and hope he truly give Ford the much needed direction that has been lacking for years.

    Old drivers; 70 is the new 50. People are in much better condition at 70 than they were just 20 years ago. Lasix and other procedures are available to correct things that would have made an elderly driver dangerous years ago. Also agree with Roger that they are less likely to use their phone.

  26. ChuckGrenci Says:

    23, Kit, I believe both, and I think just assembly.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If Ford had come up with a new, better Fusion hybrid, rather than dropping cars completely (except Mustang), my Camry might have been a Fusion. At Ford, though, and in the US as a whole, it’s back 100 years, to the mass market vehicles being the lifted two box variety. Time will tell if things stay that way.

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    19 Just think in about 5 years NASCAR could be a bunch of crossover SUV looking things.. lol

    If Ford and GM dropped the Mustang and Camaro I would guess NASCAR would just transfer to a spec car body with no ties to manufacturer. GM and Ford could continue sponsorship with powertrain but it would ultimately reduce interest even further. They basically are all the same body already. My interest in the sport has dwindled over the years and sadly I think it will continue for others too.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    NASCAR was most interesting to me in the ’60s and early ’70s. I was a Mopar fan, and they had some good years. I lost interest completely when they started the strange systems to pick a “champion,” with a “chase,” “playoffs,” and now, multiple breaks during the races.

    Yeah, they will probably race crossover looking things. Will they still be rear drive V8s with 4-speed manual transmissions, or maybe electric with quick change batteries? Explorer, Traverse, and Highlander?

  30. Kate McLeod Says:

    Never been a Farley fan. But I hope he can help Ford make product that is desirable.

  31. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Kit, pretty big news in F1; Honda to leave F1 at the end of 2021. I’m guessing Honda isn’t prepared to make a lot of changes (and expense) to get their engines ready for the major changes scheduled to 2022. Link, if you so choose.

  32. Larry D. Says:

    27 One of the principles of Intl Trade is that it pays to specialize. Competition is good, always, but you don’t want 20 makers making 20 stupid Camry-sized Hybrids, of which only 2 or 3 are any good. In fact, in Japan there used to be (there may still be and still be doing it) a whole Ministry, MITI, which would tell each automaker what models to build, in an effort to develop expert makers in one or two categories, and not have EVERY maker make EVERY G D model and instead of turning a profit, Fragment the market into 50 tiny 2% market share slices and see profits EVAPORATE.

    This is a FOR PROFIT industry, and it takes a number of units to break even in any model. FOrz mass market models (average priced), it is 100,000s of models.

    So to satisfy your whim, you wanted Ford to spend millions and millions to IMPROVE its existing Fusion Hybrid, which would be lucky to sell 20,000 units out of the 200,000 or 300,000 Fusions sold per year, so that you MIGHT (even then, not sure) buy one. If I were Ford, I would not even consider it. It is a loser from square ONE.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31. Thanks for the link. I’m surprised, considering how well they’ve gotten things together the last couple years. The guy who did the video was surprised too.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32. Ford sells cars in the rest of the world, so if they continued selling Fusion, Mondeo in Europe, in the US, they wouldn’t be building the car just for the US market. The hybrid system they were using was similar design to Toyota’s, so all they needed was some refinement to be competitive. With diesels dying out in Europe, there would probably be a market for a Mondeo hybrid, especially the wagon/estate.

    We’ll see how long Trucks ‘R’ Us works for Ford. Maybe it will be long term, or maybe not. If they keep going in Europe, they will at least have the basis for returning to the US car market, if the market changes away from trucks and CUV/SUVs.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    34 continued.

    Hybrids had ~9% market share in Europe in July 2020, about the same as plug-in hybrids plus BEVs. There is a market for more than one company to make serious hybrids.

  36. Larry D. Says:

    34 The “rest of the world” are markets TOTALLY DIFFERENT than the US market in terms of profitability. What makes them a profit THERE (the FIESTA for example) makes them BILLIONS IN LOSSES here. Is this so difficult to understand? And instead of stupid links, use your COMMON SENSE. As if the Domestics were not in bad shape for decades, you want them to drown in a flood of red ink JUST for your selfish desire to have an even wider choice of (most of them losing money) Camry-sized Hybrids. Really?

    A very common and realistic example from Intl Econs textbooks was from the 60s, where they had the US and Japan following the very important principle in 32, that it PAYS TO SPECIALIZE. In that example, Japan made a TON of ships, mostly cargo ships, (It actually did) and NO jetliners at all (It probably still makes none), while the US made most of the jetliners in the WORLD, and its few profitable yards made navy ships and only those merchant ships PROTECTED (a bad word) by the infamous Jones Act, ships going from US port A to US port B have to be US made, crewed, owned etc etc), I

    Imagine if Japan FOOLISHLY tried to compete with Boeing in the 60s and 70s instead of SPECIALIZING in the things it could do best.

    Likewise, FOrd should SPECIALIZE in what IT does best, ie pickups. ANd it should only agree to make the Fusion IF GM and FCA dropped the Malibu and any similar size FCA sedan. GM would make the CRUZE and FORd would NOT make the FOcus. So that the Cruze and the Fusion would get ALL the market for those who will only buy “US” vehciles, and make them at a GOOD PROFIT, sustainably.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36. The US and the rest of the world both have significant markets in the Mondeo-Fusion/Passat/E-Class et. al. market segments. Why, why do you have to be so OBNOXIOUS?


    37) Your request is reasonable given that the Fusion hybrid system is also used on the SUV variant of the Fusion which is planned to stick around for a very long time. Both are in need of refinement. My fusion hybrid is a bit crude particularly at highway speeds. I get 42MPG in town and 39MPG on the highway. Not too bad considering I only paid $15K for it with 20k miles on it.

  39. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38. The Fusion hybrid, taken alone, gets very good mileage, but the Camry does about 20% better. If they did a new Fusion, I suspect they’d make up most of that difference, and put the battery under the rear seat cushion like the 2018+ Camry hybrid, so no trunk space would be lost.

  40. Joe G Says:

    I think it did not make sense to have Joy Falotico have to do two executive jobs. How can one focus with all that responsibility? The Lincoln brand over the last 3 years has been selling well with new and stylish vehicles that more importantly for them have been well reviewed online. We sell a LOT of Aviators, Navigators and Corsairs to MOSTLY customers defecting from other brands!