AD #3000 – Buick Shows Off New Enclave; Barn Find Narrowed Down; Is VW Ready to Dump Its MEB Platform?

January 22nd, 2021 at 11:56am

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Runtime: 11:35

0:07 Celebrating Show #3,000!
1:16 New Buick Envision Now on Sale
2:01 Buick Shows Off New Enclave
4:03 Is VW Ready to Dump Its MEB Platform?
5:03 VW Reveals New Taos Details
5:35 BMW Enhances the i4’s Driving Dynamics
6:38 Nissan Debuts Closed-Loop Aluminum Recycling System
7:40 Stellantis & Tesla’s Stock Symbols Very Similar
8:12 Don’t Bother with NEDC Test Numbers
9:13 Barn Find Narrowed Down

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34 Comments to “AD #3000 – Buick Shows Off New Enclave; Barn Find Narrowed Down; Is VW Ready to Dump Its MEB Platform?”

  1. MJB Says:

    Congrats on the 3,000th show to everyone at A.D.! The show has come to be a valued part of my daily routine.

  2. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I wonder if BMW will offset the mass of the battery with more carbon fiber parts. Given that BMW has extensive manufacturing experience with carbon fiber and they are looking at an M vehicle, they could command a premium for using carbon fiber.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    If everyone knows the NEDC (New European Driving Cycle) is a bogus test why does anyone even acknowledge those numbers? Those tests are conducted on a chassis dyno. Seems they could offer a standardized adjustment to them to correct for real world environment. Subtract 15% or so to provide a number closer to what you’ll really get.

    Congrats on the 3000th show I too look forward to my lunch break and my 10 minute automotive news fix.

  4. Drew Says:

    Yes, congrats of the 3000th edition (don’t like the term “show”… implies an entertainment priority, as opposed to an information/journalistic priority).

    The new Envision looks like it should be a volume seller, in the sweet spot for size. But shouldn’t a volume seller be assembled in NA instead of being shipped from China?

  5. WineGeek Says:

    Hey Sean where are those new Buicks being built? You need to let people know where these new GM models are produced. If they are from China they would drop off my shopping list!

  6. Gary O Malat Says:

    3000 shows, congrats!
    Does that include TV?

  7. Jeff Taylor Says:

    Congratulations to the entire Autoline team! What an amazing accomplishment.

  8. Mac Says:

    I surely wish GM (or should that be gm) would assign someone new for the Buick division. The new Enclave styling, if you can call it that, appears to me to be far from innovative or “refreshed”. Perhaps they can hire someone from Kia or Hyundai to show them how it’s done.

  9. Roger Blose Says:

    3000 shows is a really great milestone. Congratulations to all of your staff for the terrific content you give us each week. And are these new Buicks from China?

  10. Buzzerd Says:

    I like the styling of the new Envision, pretty sharp.
    3000 and counting. Way to go.

  11. XA351GT Says:

    Congrats on 3000 , I been here for them all. Great info shared .But does anyone else miss our Number 1 Tesla cheerleader? Yeah, I didn’t think so. LOL Here’s to the next 3000.

  12. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Grats on 3000 (I’m pretty sure I’ve seen the all or at least most of them).

    The New Buick Envision looks nice, is the right size but just wasn’t assembled where it should have been. Count me out as well.

    I don’t think Nissan is unique in its recycling venture; pretty sure most manufacturers are recycling. I suppose by segregating the scrap it may be somewhat more efficient but that perhaps is not much of a ‘needle’ mover in the recycle game.

  13. ArtG Says:

    Let me add my congratulations on the milestone. Thanks for to all of the Autoline crew for what you do.

    And YES, #11, he is not missed one bit.

  14. Roger Blose Says:

    Just saw the Envision on FOX news and it is a Chinese build.

  15. Joe C. Says:

    Congrats on the 3000th show! It’s the best 10 minute automotive news around. BTW Sean you do an excellent job everyday, but does this mean that John is getting closer to retirement? I would hate to see him go.

  16. Drew Says:

    11&13 – Miss who? Wink, wink.

  17. Wim van Acker Says:

    Congrats on 3000!

    @Barn find: I am always very impressed by the knowledge of the Autoline Team and the audience, but this time even more so. Great team work!

  18. merv Says:

    have been having lunch/watching your show for most of those 3000. the best lunch dates ever,cheers

  19. joe Says:

    Congrats for all the years you’ve spent giving us the latest auto news.

    Thanks

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    12 Maybe the recycling is new to Nissan but pretty sure its been done that way for years with lots of manufacturers. Having working in plastics its done very much the same way however most manufacturers have limitations on the level of recycled material that can be used. May not be as much of an issue with aluminum but we were always required to have a percentage of virgin material. All scrap was captured and recycled though.

  21. Tony Gray Says:

    Congratulations as well! I think I’ve seen all 3,000!

    As for the the NEDC, I wonder if that’s the test that supercar used when it said it hit 300 mph!

  22. wmb Says:

    Congrats on the Big 3000! I wonder if VW Group’s plan all along was to introduce this new platform?! The MEB pleased those who were looking for blood as a result of their cheating emissions. So they fast tracked that architecture and offered it for use to other OEM’s to support and quick start their own BEV transition. All the while, they were building a EV platform that would take the clean slate, Upstarts like Tesla, Rivian, Lucid and others to task, on a level playing field! To do so, they needed more time to develop their master stroke. Think about it, as expensive as it is to build one new platform, let alone a BEV from scratch, VW Group will soon have THREE! The MEB, the JP that sits under the Taycan and the e-tron GT and now this new one. While most other OEM’s would be happy with one and/or are trying to rework ICE vehicles for use as EV’s, VW has invested big money in three different architectures that appear to be unrelated! That being said, with all the different brands they have, I’m sure the MEB, and probably not even the Taycan’s platform, could be used to support all of them. Especially the mid and full size vehicles they offer or something from Bentley, Lamborghini and Bugatti. Looking at the money that they have invested, no one can say that the VW Group is not fully vested in the success of BEV’S, even though the currect margins are so small and 99% of the rest of their fleet are profitable ICE vehicles!

  23. wmb Says:

    Congrats on the Big 3000! I wonder if VW Group’s plan all along was to introduce this new platform?! The MEB pleased those who were looking for blood as a result of their cheating emissions. So they fast tracked that architecture and offered it for use to other OEM’s to support and quick start their own BEV transition. All the while, they were building a EV platform that would take the clean slate, Upstarts like Tesla, Rivian, Lucid and others to task, on a level playing field! To do so, they needed more time to develop their master stroke. Think about it, as expensive as it is to build one new platform, let alone a BEV from scratch, VW Group will soon have THREE! The MEB, the JP that sits under the Taycan and the e-tron GT and now this new one. While most other OEM’s would be happy with one and/or are trying to rework ICE vehicles for use as EV’s, VW has invested big money in three different architectures that appear to be unrelated! That being said, with all the different brands they have, I’m sure the MEB, and probably not even the Taycan’s platform, could be used to support all of them. Especially the mid and full size vehicles they offer or something from Bentley, Lamborghini and Bugatti. Looking at the money that they have invested, no one can say that the VW Group is not fully vested in the success of BEV’S, even though the currect margins are so small and 99% of the rest of their fleet are profitable ICE vehicles!

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A belated congratulations on 3000 shows. I’ve seen, or read the transcripts of most of them.

  25. TERRY Says:

    I worked at Caterpillar from 1974 to 2009. I’ve never NOT seen Caterpillar recycling cuttings and other scrap from the factory. It just made economic sense. So I guess Nissan has caught up to something done at least 47 years ago.

  26. Fstfwrd Says:

    Congrats on 3K. I have been here for every one, thanks so much. And BTW, thanks for getting rid of the #1 Tesla Cheerleader. Much nicer show now!! Thanks again for all you do.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 and others.

    As several have mentioned, the Envision is assembled in China, at a SIAC-GM plant near Shanghai. I wouldn’t buy one either, on general principals, though a friend has one which has be reliable, and he says the build quality is good.

    The US market Enclave is assembled in Lansing, Michigan.

  28. Bob Aubertin Says:

    Congrats Ladies & Gentlemen on 3000th plus as I send this message along to you all from Canada.

    Now on to Buick Encore (smallest)made in South Korea.

    Buick Envision (Mid Size) made in China.

    Buick Enclave (Full Size )made in China

    Covid-19 (Global) made in China

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Enclave is made in China for the Chinese market, and made in Michigan for the US market.

    Covid-19 was “made” in China, but since they got serious about controlling it early on, things are almost back to normal in Wuhan where it probably originated.

  30. Bobby T Says:

    Congratulations on#3000! I’ve been listening/reading for most of those years. As for the barn find, it was not unusual for farmers and others with land to strip down an old car and shorten the wheelbase. Sometimes they would put tractor wheels on the rear. I had a neighbor who made one from an old Durant. These vehicles were often called doodlebugs.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 Did they gear those down with sprockets and chains or something, to make them work better at the low speeds they’d be used?

  32. Bob Wilson Says:

    Just curious if anyone can recommend a good source for USA EV sales by model for 2020?

  33. Ukendoit Says:

    Congrats on 3K! As others have mentioned, I think I’ve seen them all. Sometimes I like to go back and view old shows in your “Archives” list on the right side, to reflect some hindsight on some of the future-past.
    30) Pertaining to doodlebugs, I have an old fiberglass Manx-type dune buggy. I’ve had more than one older person call it a doodlebug and didn’t give it too much thought. I didn’t know the definition and just thought it was an old car term like jalopy (also thinking they had no idea what it was). Given your description of an old car with a shortened wheelbase and nearly tractor tires on the rear, they were more accurate than I gave them credit for!

  34. Ukendoit Says:

    Speaking of the Archives, many of the early shows require Adobe Flash, which is no longer supported. The shows from late 2010 are viewable via YouTube, but I’m curious if you would be able to make some of the very early shows accessible to view in a supported format? I realize that is probably a lot of work for just a small audience that would like to see the old stuff, but it doesn’t hurt to ask.
    Meanwhile, I thought I’d share your old Autoline LA gallery from 2008; there are some really great photos in there, including behind the scenes shots of the crew and some cool cars.
    http://www.autoline.tv/journal/?page_id=457