AD #3012 – Tesla Makes Big Bitcoin Purchase; Tax Credit for eBikes Extended; Jeep Will Reveal Electric Wrangler Concept

February 9th, 2021 at 11:50am

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Runtime: 10:48

0:07 Nissan Posts Surprising Quarterly Profit
0:41 Tesla Reacts Differently to Issues in China
1:35 Tesla Makes Big Bitcoin Purchase
2:05 Tax Credit for eBikes Extended
3:54 SmartGlass Can Help Cut Emissions
5:52 Jeep Will Reveal Electric Wrangler Concept
6:43 Kia Announces Big Electrification Push
8:16 Hybrids Post Strong Sales Results
9:10 Toyota & Kenworth Test Fuel Cell on Pikes Peak

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36 Comments to “AD #3012 – Tesla Makes Big Bitcoin Purchase; Tax Credit for eBikes Extended; Jeep Will Reveal Electric Wrangler Concept”

  1. MJB Says:

    Hey Sean, those glasses are a pretty good look on you.

  2. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, As companies move to BEV skateboard designs, do you think they will offer the naked skateboards as a separate product? Is it possible we could see the return of custom body builders or maybe the golden age of kit cars? Here’s hoping.

  3. Sean McElroy Says:

    Thanks MJB, I got them pretty recently. I would wear them during Daily but they don’t play nice with our setup.

  4. Kevin A Says:

    Also, how does the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act of 2015 work? Could GM farm out the production of extreme high performance vehicles to a LVMVM but still offer them for sale at a GM dealership?

  5. MJB Says:

    #2. Sounds good to me! (re)Enter “Body by Fisher” Not to mention the bespoke designs people would then be able to commission. It certainly would spice things up ;)

  6. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Kevin A – I’ve already heard talk about this and I for sure think it will happen. And here’s something else that should help kick the door open for custom builders: https://www.motortrend.com/news/low-volume-motor-vehicle-manufacturers-act/

  7. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Kevin A – I was typing my response while you posted #4. The link I provided is an update on the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act.

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    Tesla reacts different to China than US because much like a child with one strict parent (China) and the more laid back (US) they will push the limits and Elon knows China wont play games and send him packing if he pulled those stunts with them.

    Hybrids out selling BEVs and the huge sales jump is also contributed by the increase in models available. A good side by side statistic would be available hybrid models 2018, 2019 vs 2020 and that will make the increase seem reasonable.

  9. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, Once BEV skateboards are out there, I’d like to see Ford release an electric 64 Mustang. Not a modern reinterpretation, but something that looks as much as possible like the original. Ditto the 56 T-bird

  10. GM Veteran Says:

    @2 – There are at least two companies offering this now. The latest is Zero Labs. They even identify vehicle types with model years that are compatible with their platform. Check out more details at zerolabs.com.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A 1959 Cadillac convertible would be a good candidate for a replica. A 6.2 V8 powertrain as used in Suburban, Escalade, et. al. would work well, and be “in the spirit” of such a car.

    I suspect the big increase in Toyota hybrid sales is that they now have Rav4 and Highlander hybrids, and dealers seem to actually stock them. They are sold only with 4wd in the US which increases price and hurts mpg, but they still get very good mpg compared to other similar size vehicles.

  12. GM Veteran Says:

    If you watch that video of the truck climbing Pikes Peak closely, you can see wisps of water vapor from the fuel cell under the truck and swirling around the rear wheels. I’m sure we will all be seeing more of that in the future.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    12 I didn’t see that but I wonder if icing will become an issue as that spray freezes in colder temps?

  14. XA351GT Says:

    So what is pushing this Nissan resurgence? I can’t believe it is all due to the Sentra and Rogue.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Maybe cutting production capacity 20% is what is helping the financial numbers. So far, Rogue and Sentra aren’t doing so well, at least through 2020, and in the US.

    https://carsalesbase.com/us-nissan-rogue/

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    and Sentra….

    https://carsalesbase.com/us-nissan-sentra/

  17. GM Veteran Says:

    @12 – Info I have seen says that the vapor is emitted in small amounts and evaporates before it can accumulate and freeze. However, that was with a car. Assuming a semi truck will need a bigger capacity fuel cell that may give off a larger volume of water vapor, who knows? I suppose if its a problem, the truck maker could add a heating function before the vapor is emitted to warm the vapor so it dissipates completely before it could become ice.

  18. DENIS TOMASSI Says:

    Elon has to be carefull what he says in China or he will end up in a re-programming center like his friend Jack Ma.

  19. DENIS TOMASSI Says:

    Elon has to be carefull what he says in China or he will end up in a re-programming center like his friend Jack Ma.

  20. Bob White Says:

    It’s very obvious that laws, rules and regulations don’t apply to the two tiered justice system for billionaires in the US. And that they can literally get away with murder in most situations…. Musk is well aware that one of his childish comments in China would immediately get him shut down by the Chinese Communist dictatorship. So Musk goes down on his knees, like every other Western CEO and services the party…

  21. merv Says:

    Pikes peak completely paved. A sign of the times.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 I just found that the Pikes Peak road was only completely paved in 2011, a lot more recently than I realized.

  23. WineGeek Says:

    Hey Sean a couple of comments on today’s show someone should give Elon a dope slap when he bows down to the Chinese. I still think until the battery technology gets a lot better that a PHEV is a superior solution to BEV, too much range anxiety for my weak heart! And finally somewhere down the road fuel cell powered vehicles will be the ultimate solution to the pollution problem regardless what Elon says.

    Good show today

  24. WineGeek Says:

    Hey Sean a couple of comments on today’s show someone should give Elon a dope slap when he bows down to the Chinese. I still think until the battery technology gets a lot better that a PHEV is a superior solution to BEV, too much range anxiety for my weak heart! And finally somewhere down the road fuel cell powered vehicles will be the ultimate solution to the pollution problem regardless what Elon says.

    Good show today

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23,24 Fuel cells the ultimate solution, when the hydrogen comes from natural gas? I don’t see it. If/when there is unlimited free electricity to electrolyze water, why not just use it to charge batteries, and/or feed it to the “grid.”

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23,24,25 Yeah, maybe I’m missing something.

  27. Lambo2015 Says:

    26 I’ll stick with an ICE for now. Too many downsides to a BEV for me and a Hybrid just seems counterproductive. After years and years of manufacturers pushing suppliers to take weight out of a car to help with fuel economy. Then they go and throw an extra 200lbs of additional equipment on a car so you now have the weight and two systems to maintain and the failures that come with each. Not to mention that Hybrid versions run about $4000 more than the non-hybrid versions and get what? 15MPG better mileage so the savings is such that your payback is @ 10 years.

    They keep going the way they are going and I’ll be looking for a 3-wheeled vehicle just to avoid all the extra systems and the huge $$$ they want.

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    Hey did hear the NTSB released their findings on the Kobe Bryant helicopter crash yesterday. Surprising to me is this helo that was carrying 8 people didn’t have the instrumentation to tell the pilot his orientation? Apparently got into some clouds lost his orientation and thought he was climbing but was banking and descending.
    They have said this may drive a change to require some crash detection devices in the future. With everything we keep seeing here on autonomous and vehicle crash avoidance you would think a Helo that’s allowed to carry passengers would be required to have it. Sad part is the company nor the pilot was licenced to fly in overcast weather and shouldn’t have been flying. I guess for this reason the passenger drones may be safer with those systems already integrated.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 I’ve owned hybrids for about 11 years, and find them far from “counterproductive.” They get almost twice the mpg in city and short trip low speed driving. Even if the payback is long, and you don’t care about greenhouse gas emissions, I like the convenience of getting 500 miles per fillup rather than 300 miles. Also, at least with Toyota hybrids and probably Ford hybrids, they are very reliable. They are far simpler, mechanically, than cars with regular automatic transmissions, with nothing but gears in the transmission, no clutches, and no bands.

    A Camry hybrid costs $2300 more than a 4 cylinder non-hybrid, and is worth $2165 more after 3 years, according to KBB.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 I always assumed that helicopters had instruments similar to fixed wing airplanes, and would have an “artificial horizon,” altimeter, rate of climb/descent, etc. but maybe not. In any case, it’s crazy that a guy was flying a machine with 8 people in conditions he apparently wasn’t rated to fly in.

  31. Lambo2015 Says:

    29 Okay so the cost is only $2300. But the non-hybrid gets 28/39 So average EPA is 33.5 and the Hybrid is 51/53 so average of 52-33.5=18.5 difference. So you have to drive 86,250 miles before you break even. Even then after the 5 or 6 years you only are saving $33 a month in gas.
    Obviously if you do a lot more city driving the payback is sooner and if most your driving is Hwy then the payback is even longer.
    Just saying to me the numbers don’t make sense to justify even a hybrid.

  32. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    31) I went with a 1 year old used Fusion Hybrid for $15K and only 20,000 miles. I also added a 100K mile Ford warranty. The payback is immediate when you do it that way. Although admittedly in the past 18K miles since, it hasn’t had one issue that requires a warranty claim. It has been rock solid.

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 If you throw it away, the hybrid costs $2300 more, but if you throw it away, that $2300 would probably be divided out over about 20-25 years. If you keep it ~5 years and trade it or sell it, like I normally do with my primary car, it costs almost nothing extra. I looked up values for 3 years in #29, because that is how long the current generation Camry has been around, but I’d expect to get nearly all of that $2300 back after five years. If gas prices go up substantially, I might more than get the money back.

    The bottom line is that I like how hybrids work, with no jerky shifts, great gas mileage, and you can sit with the a/c on, and the engine will almost never run. Police departments should use more of them.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 That sounds like a good buy. According to KBB, a 3 year old Camry LE hybrid, the lowest trim level, with 30K miles is worth $16,879 “trade in” value.

    I might have checked out a Fusion hybrid, had they not already announced that it would soon be an “orphan.” I was hoping there would be a next generation Fusion hybrid that might match the Camry and Accord hybrid mpg. The outgoing Fusion does well, but Camry and Accord do about 20% better, both in EPA numbers and CR’s test results.

  35. Lambo2015 Says:

    33 That makes sense, I just don’t ever buy a vehicle counting on residual value to be something that it may or may not be.
    I wont even buy plates for more than a year at a time even though my state will let you renew them up to three years at a time.

    I suppose a used Hybrid could make the number work for me but you say the Hybrid holds its value meaning Id still pay over what a equal non-hybrid cost while it seems Merkur got a good deal on his.

    I guess the other deterrent for me is my lack of the battery technology. I do all my work on my vehicles myself and hate to pay the $100-$150 hr cost to have someone fix my vehicles. However sounds like they are pretty reliable and trouble free. If not I’m not sure I would attempt to mess with one.

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 I don’t know that I’d want to keep a hybrid, or an EV for 20 years, because it seems likely that the battery would go bad in that time, even with only 100K miles. I had my Prius 8 years with no problems, and a friend had one about 10 years and 200K+ miles with no problem.

    Toyota hybrids have an 8 year, 100K mile warranty on the powertrain electronics, and as of the 2020 model year, have a 10 year, 150K mile warranty on the battery.