AD #3024 – Volvo & Geely Merging Powertrain Operations; Lyft Goes After Older Riders; Toyota C-HR Needs a Turbo

February 25th, 2021 at 11:51am

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Runtime: 10:22

0:07 Automotive Suppliers Have Good Day on Wall Street
0:49 Volvo & Geely Merging Powertrain Operations
1:32 Cadillac Adds Mild Hybrid in China
2:27 Jim Farley Calls for U.S. Battery & Charging Support
4:15 Daimler Says EV Transition Will Cost Jobs
5:03 Explorer Gets 1st King Ranch Edition
5:40 V8 Wrangler Costs $75,000
6:17 Lyft Going After an Older Demographic
7:04 Ferrari Returns to Le Man’s Top Category
7:38 Toyota C-HR Review

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37 Comments to “AD #3024 – Volvo & Geely Merging Powertrain Operations; Lyft Goes After Older Riders; Toyota C-HR Needs a Turbo”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    $75k for a V8 Wrangler, I would think at that price you could buy a new Jeep and have a shop do a swap for you.

    Lyft has a great idea there as I know lots of older folks not so willing to download an app and trust it enough to enter a CC info. Making a phone call is a more comfortable process and I could see it being a helpful alternative.

  2. Norm T Says:

    You may have uncovered the reason(s) for C-HR sells about half what Chevy Trax sells!

  3. Wim van Acker Says:

    @Sean “The Dow set an all time record yesterday and that boosted shares across the board”: no, it is the other way around. The DOW Jones Index reflects the movement of a basket of selected shares. It drives nothing; the share price changes drive the index.

  4. Wim van Acker Says:

    @Sean “the company employs around 14,000 workers at its plants in Germany”: I suggest you count them again. Wire me a dollar for each employee over 14,000, please.

  5. Buzzerd Says:

    I don’t understand Toyota’s thinking with the CHR. Add a turbo and AWD and you probably couldn’t make enough of them.

  6. Rey Says:

    Geely can’t go all in into BEVs , they still have ICE cars in most Seaside regions and this support those markets, Daimler Mercedes and all legacy autos have stranded assets, tooling and all those employees ready for retirement in 10 years , you can’t teach old dogs new tricks( retrain for BEV manufacture,and BEV lines are more automated, just look how fast Tesla is innovating and more vertically integrated,”Tesla moves at the speed of thought”>Sandy Munro in Munro Live- in Youtube.
    FORD and Harley – Govt help with batteries and charging infrastructure? Did this guy just wake up yesterday?Tesla has been doing its own SC charging infrastructure, has the Giga Nevada battery factory for close to 6 years now, Tesla was supposed to go BK years ago for reasons like that, Tesla is soon to manufacture its own knew 4680 format Battery cells, It’s still going BK, I guess./S

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    $75K for the V8 Wrangler, and it’s not even a Hellcat. Also, it looks like it’s 4 door only, and it’s lifted. It should be lowered instead of lifted, given that those 470 hp are useful only on-road, not on demanding trails.

  8. Rey Says:

    For the price of a V8 Wrangler you can buy a FUTURE TRUCK like a Dual motor Tesla CYBRTRK, Of course you will be buying a piece of history with the V8 Wrangler, it will be the last of the Dino juice Jeeps, and you will wait for a CYBRTRK a LOOOOONNNNGGGG time , the line is 600,000 units long,and counting.

  9. Kevin A Says:

    I think this topic was discussed before in relation to 2 litre, inline 4 cylinder ICEs, but has there been any progress in cross company sharing/joint venture/ spin off of engine families? ‘Name’ engines like the Hemi need to stay as ‘halo’ offerings, but shouldn’t 2L4 and 3.5L6 engines be standard offerings soon? Anybody know how low an engine model production level has to get before it is uneconomic to offer it and sharing makes more sense. … asking for a friend

  10. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Wim van Acker – I’ll keep my money, thanks. That’s how many powertrain employees Daimler Trucks has in Germany.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 To me, the C-HR looks funny. I’m not in the market for a vehicle of that type, but if I were, I’d buy something else because of appearance, if nothing else. There are a lot of choices out there, and the Toyota has no over-riding virtues. In CR’s testing, a Kia Seltos beat it to 60 mph by 2.2 seconds, and did only a little worse in gas mileage.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 Sharing of 2.0 liter turbo fours would seem to make a lot of sense. None of them have any particular “character,” and could be used interchangeably with many brands of cars. They could be set up in different states of tune, mainly optimized for regular gas for mass market brands, and tuned for premium, getting a little more power, for M-B and other “luxury” brands where buyers don’t care about fuel cost.

  13. Buzzerd Says:

    I like the looks of the CHR but want AWD. Yes the Seltos was faster but add the turbo?? Remember that car sales are in the toilet but CUV/SUV sales a killing it.

  14. Kevin A Says:

    12 But other than Chrysler/Hyundai/Mitsubishi in the old days. Is anyone else sharing engines outside their corporate family?

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @10: I read “Daimler Trucks”, but must have misunderstood you.

  16. Wim van Acker Says:

    @14: I believe Daimler is selling engines to third parties. If I am not mistaken Aston Martin currently uses Mercedes engines.
    FCA shares its VM Motori Diesel engines with third parties; still with GM on the Chevrolet Express.

  17. Lex Says:

    Toyota should discontinue the C-HR and bring back the Matrix FWD & AWD.

  18. ArtG Says:

    Call a Lyft Ride. Known for the last century as calling for a cab or car service.

  19. DENIS TOMASSI Says:

    JIM FARLEY CALLS FOR U.S. BATTERY & CHARGING SUPPORT…Utilities call for infrasstructure support…oil & gas workers that lose there jobs call for support…union workers that are displaced by the switch to EV’s call for support…on and on and on…

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    18 Yes but the difference with Lyft is you get the total cost when you order. That was probably the biggest downside to the cab. “Hop in and I’ll tell the cost, once I get you there”. Probably the main reason Lyft and Uber have done so well.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 The Seltos CR tested was the 2.0 liter, non-turbo. The power/weight is very close to the C-HR, so the Kia must have more “performance oriented” gearing.

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 I rarely use taxis or Uber/Lyft, but my experience with Uber is that the ride arrives in about 5 minutes, rather than the typical half hour for a taxi. Also, Uber is cheaper. I find the Uber app to be more convenient than calling a taxi, and needing to give the address, and make sure they understand that it is Boulevard rather than Drive, etc.

  23. Merv Peters Says:

    7 agreed

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I got a bit of a surprise today, when I saw that a Tesla store is opening about 4 miles from my place in Florida. I suspect it is because there are a lot of SpaceX employees around here. The few Tesla stores are normally near larger metro areas.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    24 Funny you say that, as I was out last night and saw a large Tesla store in Toledo. Not sure when it opened up as I don’t go in that area very often. Its literally less than a mile from the Michigan state line. So folks wont have to go to Cleveland now.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 The one here is the former location of a Toyota dealer that moved out of town, presumably to get more land for less money. Tesla is doing shop work now, and a guy said the showroom/sales would open in about two months.

  27. ArtG Says:

    20. I used to use a local car service to go to the airport, and they always quoted a price over the phone. If I called the night before, they’d be waiting at the appointed time. Granted, you can generally get ride-share in a matter of minutes, you know who’s coming, and you can track them. However, the appeal is supposed to be to those who don’t use phone apps, so the latter is of questionable value in this context.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 The one here is the former location of a Toyota dealer that moved out of town, presumably to get more land for less money. Tesla is doing shop work now, and a guy said the showroom/sales would open in about two months. They appear to be doing a major makeover of the showroom.

  29. Sean Wagner Says:

    The Toyota C-HR has grown on me. At first, I thought it was one of those statement vehicles the company likes to offer up ever so often, as in “people will choose this despite its looks because they trust us to deliver”.

    For Europe, there’s a somewhat livelier hybrid option that offers a little much needed insta-torque, but I cannot fathom why the US versions don’t feature the bigger (2.4l?) four cylinder.

    It’s a very handy size for a metro runabout, and just that little bit taller than sedans.

  30. Sean Wagner Says:

    Addendum: sales in Europe are about double those in the US, ie. routinely around 100K.

  31. Sean Wagner Says:

    Just one more thing! The wheelbase of Hyundai’s new Ioniq (that I think resembles some IDEA design studio creations, but also has a hint of Alfa Romeo Zagato – outrageous?) is impressive. That used to be Mercedes S-Class territory not long ago.

    Very interesting vehicle. As always, non-flammable battery cell production capacity matters most.

    Incidentally (another thing), all during Tesla’s Model 3 painful rampup I was wondering when the first big recall would hit – people tend to miss those things that didn’t happen. That has to be a job extremely well done by a then-fledgling company.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Do you know what hybrid system they use? It would be great with the Camry 2.5 liter system, with more power, and much better city mpg than the 2 liter they use in the US. It would be kind of sluggish with the Prius/Corolla hybrid 1.8 system, but would be “adequate” for city driving.

  33. Sean Wagner Says:

    Kit, it seems there are or were both a naturally aspirated 1.8 & 2.0l Hybrid (the motor adds 200Nm of torque).

    In Switzerland, we currently get the “bigger” engine. I’m guessing taxes limit the engine size throughout Europe.

  34. Sean Wagner Says:

    I don’t know how the hybrid system works, but even the tiny Toyotas can move on electric power alone for a stretch.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I just checked the Toyota UK web site, and they sell the C-HR with both 1.8 and 2.0 liter hybrid systems. It looks like the 1.8 is the Prius system, with 122 hp, but the 2.0 is 184 hp, which should work pretty well. I don’t know of any Toyotas sold in the US with a 2.0 hybrid system, but there may be a Lexus or two.

  36. Sean Wagner Says:

    According to the review above, the US/North American C-HR is made in Toyota’s Turkish factory – so I guess manufacturing efficiency militates against catering to the smaller market with a version that would grow sales. A bit of a conundrum.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like the Lexus UX, sold in the US as a 2.0 liter hybrid is related to the C-HR.