AD #3081 – Opel Launches Hydrogen-Powered Van; Stellantis & Foxconn Form Partnership; BMW 2 Series Coupe Details

May 17th, 2021 at 11:57am

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Runtime: 10:12

0:08 Stellantis & Foxconn Form Partnership
0:50 Fisker Partners with Sharp on Electronics
1:23 Hong Guang Mini EV #1 EV In China
2:35 Are EVs Greener Than Gas Powered Cars?
4:02 BMW Shares Details About New 2 Series Coupe
5:30 Group Calls for Stricter Commercial Van CO2 Standards In EU
6:25 Opel Launches Hydrogen-Powered Van
8:04 Toyota 4Runner Impressions

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38 Comments to “AD #3081 – Opel Launches Hydrogen-Powered Van; Stellantis & Foxconn Form Partnership; BMW 2 Series Coupe Details”

  1. dave Says:

    with Swanson’s Law chugging away lowering the cost of solar generated electricity how long will it take before coal as a source is no longer economically viable however all this could all change as most things get better faster smarter cheaper

  2. Rey Says:

    Who is going to buy Hydrogen powered vehicles?, most if not all Toyota Mirais are leased in California with ” free ” fuel of course, from Toyota.A Lexus quality and level of car @ Camry prices.Go figure.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The market for the 4Runner is people who really wanted an FJ Cruiser, but they don’t make those any more. The 4Runner is thirsty, pricey, and kind of crude, but there is a market for that.

    Thankfully, the 2 series coupe has retained the longitudinal engine RWD/4WD arrangement, rather than succumbing to the transverse engine Mini Countryman platform of other smaller BMWs.

  4. Kevin A Says:

    So what is it that keep the Hong Guang Mini off North American roads? Safety is poor, but I see lots of ATVs and old Kei Vans on the road. I would have expected that GM would have offered it at least for gated communities and golf courses by now, just to get people used to the idea. A convertible version would be perfect for golf courses.

  5. Rey Says:

    Not sure if Sharp is @ the top of class in electronics, I’m sure LG and Samsung is way up more than them, it is possible the SKoreans have passed the Japanese in Electronics and Infotainment and Cellphones,Sony is still tops in cameras , and so is Nikon and Canon, and in most of Asia, LGs and Samsungs are as good as any Japanese brands in ACs and laundry and fridges and stoves and Flatscreen TVs.

  6. Lambo2015 Says:

    That Wuling Hong Guang MINI EV has the right idea. Affordability with a range that probably works fine in China. Batteries are heavy and the heavier the car the less efficient its going to be. I think EV users are going to have to get use to the refueling of the their EV will be different than the old ICE. People are used to only getting gas once or maybe twice a week. But if you’re charging at home you can refuel everyday so do you really need 3-400 mile range? As charging stations become more common it seems a smaller battery lighter vehicle makes sense.

  7. Rey Says:

    Waiting to see what is the future of Fisker and if they will survive beyond 5years,i would give Henrick two cents, or buy one share of the company.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 I suspect non-enforcement of laws is why there are ATVs on the road. As far as the Kei vans, could they be more than 25 years old? In most US states, you can register and plate almost anything more than 25 YO.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 I have a 70 inch Sharp TV that is 4-5 years old. When I bought it, Sharp had the best prices on TVs that big. The picture quality is good, and it’s been 100% reliable, but yeah, Samsung and LG may be “better” in some small ways.

    I’m not particularly brand loyal with anything. I have a Samsung phone and washing machine, and an LG 17 inch laptop. I have three cars, all different brands.

  10. Norm T Says:

    There is a reason that Consumer Reports ranks the 4runner as a middling with 64 out of 100. But it does rank higher than Subaru Ascent, VW Altas and the lowly Explorer.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 The Ascent ranked below the 4Runner because it was horribly unreliable in CR’s survey results, unusual for a Subaru. The 4Runner had the lowest “road test score” of all “midsize sport-utility vehicles” in CR’s tests, except for Wrangler.

  12. ArtG Says:

    5. You’ve apparently never owned any Samsung laundry appliances. We had one of the exploding washing machines that was recalled, and we just threw out a Samsung gas dryer that was only 9 years old. Oh, and our Samsung TV developed a screen flaw after 3 years. Thank goodness for the extended warranty.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 It sounds like you have been unlucky with Samsung stuff. My 11 year old Samsung TV is doing fine, as is my washing machine, but the washer is only ~3 years old. I did have one Samsung product that had a problem, an S7 phone with a screen that mostly died when about 3 years old.

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    Toyota probably is making bank on the 4 runner since this 5th generation has been around since 2010. for the last 4 years they are selling over 120K each year in the US. Its come a long way from the 1st generation that was basically the Toyota pick-up with a fiberglass cap on the bed and still a 2 door.

  15. GM Veteran Says:

    I’m not sure that a new pollution regulation on commercial vans is necessary. E vans only represent 2% of sales right now because they only just started selling a handful of EV models. Consumer demand and corporate image are already powerful motivators, and the transition will take on a natural progression as EV prices continue to fall, especially after they become less expensive than ICE models.

  16. XA351GT Says:

    All i hear are horror stories those HE front load washers no matter who the maker. I’ll stick with a top load standard washer. It just needs to wash the clothes I don’t need it smash atoms. They are making all these “smart” appliances and they are too damn complicated and expensive to buy and service. just like cars with all the added electronics that most people rarely will use. It just runs up the price .

  17. rey Says:

    #12 artG, I ave a Samsung W/D pair,frontload and it has been trouble free, over 16 yrs now, no mold smell even on the washer door, that is one common complaint from owners of frontload washers, and a friend of mine has a Whirlpool frontload washer has mold stains on that drum door seal, that washer you speak of was a top loader,unbalanced load during spin cycles, I used to deliver appliances for a rental company , some Japanese top loading light duty washers used to dance and walk during the spin cycle, we rented and sold portable Sanyo and hundreds of Hitachi apartment W/D sets, this was 20-25 yrs ago, and Samsung and Goldstar who is now LG were just getting started, one of them even bought the Zenith brand,LG in 1995, US appliances are now mostly made out of USA / North America,even GE appliances is owned by Haier, a brand you hardly heard of 10 years ago. If Detroit don’t smarten up their masters are going to be Chinese.

  18. Bob Wilson Says:

    The VW scandal forced a VW designed EV charging network, no hydrogen.

    Personally I like hydrogen vehicle development as it impedes their EV work leading to buying more Tesla credits. Yes, I am a Tesla stockholder and applaud poor decisions by the ‘honorable competition.

  19. GM Veteran Says:

    Hydrogen powered vehicles make sense for fleets. They can be refueled each night at the fleet yard. No refueling network necessary. A company called Plug Power has been successfully selling and installing this same concept for forklifts at distribution centers of many large companies. Each one has a refueling station onsite.

  20. Drew Says:

    @18 – Wow. I am stunned by your 2nd paragraph. You have placed your bet on Tesla. But I sense you and other Tesla shareholders are holding your breaths about the risks to your credit-centric profits and stock value. Perhaps you’ll sleep better if you bought cryptocurrency…. not.

  21. TERRY Says:

    “This comparison does not include emissions from manufacturing or recycling”. That’s a big thing to ignore in the report here. I’ve read more than one article that the manufacturing (all the way back to mineral mining) of BEVs emit so much more GHGs than ICE cars (when everything is considered), that the ICE emits less GHGs than BEVs until they reach at least 100,000 miles of use. Depending on how long the cars are used, the BEV may never beat the ICE in terms of GHG emissions.

  22. Drew Says:

    @5 – Our KitchenAid appliances have been flawless. In contrast, our LG microwave didn’t last 24 months before the magnetron died. The LG lifetime warranty included months of run around and requests for me to pay for technicians to confirm what LG already knew. That microwave was moved to the curb. Never more.

    Over the last 3 months, I have meet 3 people with dead engines in their Hyundai. The 100,000 mile powertrain warranty exists for a reason… to try to keep customers in the fold.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 KitchenAid is now part of Whirlpool. I have a ~30 year old Goldstar, and a ~20 year old Sharp microwave, both of which are working fine.

    My Samsung washer is a high efficiency, top loader, I think a fairly new genre of washer. It has a lot of sensors and related controls to ramp up spin speed, re-balance if needed, etc. So far, so good.

    I recently looked at an Electrify America charger near the parking lot of a store I was in. I was shocked at the price, $.43/kWh, more than 3 times the price of power from the utility. At that electricity cost, my Camry would have about half the “fuel” cost of a Model 3, and my gas hog 32 year old van would have about the same fuel cost as a Model Y.

  24. GM Veteran Says:

    And that’s why everyone will want to charge their EVs at home overnight. The pricing has to pay for the acquisition, installation, maintenance, etc. of the charging network. A steep markup over home electricity pricing should be expected. To me, you only want to use the public chargers when you have no other choice. I hope the apps Ford, GM and other have developed for their EV customers will list the price at each recharging station. Competition is also good for pricing.

  25. Joe C. Says:

    22. I had the exact same experience with my LG microwave, except that it lasted only 13 months. no help from LG even though it was just past the warranty period. it got kicked to the curb as well. The replacement Whirlpool is working fine.

    Regarding BEV’s can’t Autoline commission a cradle to grave study from Sandy Monroe so that we get the straight facts about GHG? the Tesla model Y would be my choice for the study, comparing it to a similar size ICE CUV.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 When I was there, none of the 10 or so chargers was in use, so they weren’t doing well, even with the high price. The current situation makes EVs even less appealing to those without home charging than they be with cheaper, and more available public charging. As public charging is more widely used, price will come down, but with high price, it won’t be used much. A vicious circle…

  27. Rey Says:

    #23Kit G,Tesla owners use their propiety SC Charging network, the charging bills are a lot less than EA, VW and Ford i believe give free charging for a couple of years with the EA network, after thar period , pay thru the nose, Teslas SC network is one of its moats over legacy auto, it is there to encourage the shift to Teslas BEV ambitions, the North Amercan Teslas have the most elegant charge connector among BEVs,and the most simple to use, the SC network is programed into the cars computer, VW and EA still have teething problems.

  28. Rey Says:

    #24 GM vet ,one of Teslas advantage is its propiety SC network,simple to use and Tesla does not intend to rob you blind for charging on their system,for Tesla owners only, and Tesla offered it to legacy auto early on, if they shared the maintenance and rollout but nobody took them up on it,it is the best system and network among BEVs.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Tesla has, by far, the best charger network, but still, few people use Teslas for highway trips. I’ll be driving from FL to IN on Sat and Sun on I95, I10, I75, and I74. In the past, I’ve seen almost no Teslas on the highways. I’ll see if it’s different this time. If convenient, I’ll make one of my two gas stops near a Tesla supercharger, and maybe talk to a Tesla road tripper.

  30. Bob Wilson Says:

    Over Mother’s Day weekend, I drove 700 miles from Coffeyville KS to home in Huntsville AL:

    $0.00 – Joplin MO, reward for Tesla referral
    $0.00 – Lowell AR, reward for Tesla referral
    $4.86 – Ozark AR, reward and cost for charing
    $9.72 – Little Rock AR, straight charge
    $3.51 – Brinkley AR, straight charge
    $13.34 – Memphis TN, straight charge

    ~$9.10 to drive ~695.2 miles.

    Over all, I’m pretty happy with my Tesla mileage costs, the GREENback Yankee dollar, out-of-my pocket costs. I’m especially happy that Tesla rewarded my referral code for ‘free’ charging. You ‘all get that too, right?

  31. Sean Wagner Says:

    From what I hear, Electrify America chargers are out of order far more often than Tesla Superchargers. Noises are being made about rectifying that unsatisfactory situation.

    16 XA351GT – Front load washers have been the standard machines here in Europe since time immemorial, methinks. I wonder what it’s like in Asia?

    29 Kit – Anecdotes can be revelatory, but bear in mind the distribution of Teslas: #1 by far CA, followed by FL, TX, and NY, if memory serves. And the charging network does somewhat mirror that – for instance, a useful location just N of Evansville, IN is only coming by the end of this year.

    Talking to some owners at a Supercharger would be interesting! I’ve talked to someone who regularly travels from Switzerland to the Netherlands in his non-LR Model 3, for instance, but then the spacing of suitable stops is excellent.

    Which makes me wonder – how’s driving a Tesla in Texas given the substantial distances there? I really didn’t expect the state to be among the marque’s top US markets.

    Also, totally agree with Gary Vasilash that the Ford E-Transit is major news.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 I’m starting to see quite a few Teslas here in SpaceX land in Florida, but they seem to be used mostly for local driving. I rarely see them on I-95. It might be that way in Texas too. I checked the Tesla trip planner, and it changes the route and adds/removes stops, depending on the range of the specific car model you enter. The shortest range car it shows is Model 3 Standard Range Plus. There is a supercharger in London, KY at a convenient place for me to get gas on my upcoming trip, so I might see what/who I find there at the superchargers.

  33. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sorry guys but the cost of charging is completely irrelevant to me. Things are in their infancy and so we will see the up’s and downs right now, but I guarantee there will not be an advantage from charging compared to buying gas in the end. We will all pay just as much for charging as we currently do for fuel if not more.
    The real sad part it will also probably drive up the cost of electricity overall so your home electric bill will be more too.

    The best way to get EV adoption is getting the car itself cheaper than an ICE. Fuel/charging cost has little impact on sales where cost does. I have never heard someone say we bought this vehicle at the same price as model XX which we liked better because it got 2 MPG more. But I have heard people say we bought this over model XX even though we liked XX better but it was too much money. People will eat a little more fuel cost to get the vehicle they want. Because that cost is spread out over the entire ownership. Its a few bucks each fill up. But the MSRP has to be within the their budget and when they see this EV costing thousands more than an equivalent ICE its a hard sell.

    Anyone buying an EV for the sake of fuel savings is a fool. It might be a savings for now but it has to really be for other reasons and I’m not sure “good for the environment” is a large enough driver for many people to spend thousands more for a vehicle. They have to offer more or get the price down to at least equal.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 The big deterrent to my getting an EV, is that there is no place to charge it at home. I buy sports cars that cost more than a Model 3 Performance, but with the convenience of being able to add 350-400 miles of range, almost anywhere, in 5 minutes. It would be very inconvenient for me to use an EV when in Florida, even for local trips.

  35. cwolf Says:

    Unfortunately, we have seen the automakers deliberately offer few other alternatives other than suv’s and trucks so loaded with an ever growing number of devices that make them unaffordable, thus ev’s falsely seem more competitive. IMO, considering the average driver, they have little need for these oversized gas guzzlers nor an over priced EV.
    One of the remaining smaller Asian cars will do just fine for daily use. If one has to have an EV, something like the Bolt or Model 3 will make a good choice as a city car.

  36. Lambo2015 Says:

    34 Exactly! EVs are more money, less convenient (range and fill-up times) and the fuel savings is a temporary and marginal thing.
    So the only real advantage is the pollution out the tailpipe. That’s a great marketing tool if the cost is at least the same. But add thousands of dollars to the price and most people don’t care enough to spend thousands of dollars more. They are already making a sacrifice with the added inconvenience of an EV. Then you want them to pay more for this inconvenience. Make them cheaper and you at least have something to offer for the inconvenience.

  37. Bob Wilson Says:

    My primary reason for posting was to puncture the ‘Bambi loving’, leaf-looking, eco-warrior bias that runs through so many EV stories. Some of us are more frugal than diesel owners.

  38. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    37) I will get a BEV one day for the same reasons. Frugality. Right now with a BEV I could match the total ownership cost of my midsize Fusion Hybrid if I trade down in vehicle size and the tax payers keep footing a portion of the cost. Trading down is simply a no go for me. If a BEV reaches cost parity then it may be time to switch but there is a big issue.

    I worry that the cost of electricity will skyrocket with more and more people switching to a BEV. The only companies on earth worse than big-oil with a modicum of competition is big-electric with zero competition. The state here in Michigan has proven over 40 years that there is very little control on the rate adjustments for electricity.

    I could go solar with battery storage. Big-electric has made that illegal to do if you want to have the grid as a back-up here. So I would be rolling the dice on solar in a state with very few sunny days. I have to go to work so rolling the dice with my paycheck just to own an expensive BEV is a not something I am prepared to do. Like anything, I will wait for the dust to settle and then make a move. There is no need to rush to a BEV.