AD #3082 – Stellantis & Foxconn Form Technology JV; Canoo Reveals SEC Investigation; Unique Hydrogen Engine

May 18th, 2021 at 11:45am

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Runtime: 10:17

0:07 Stellantis & Foxconn Form Technology JV
0:42 Canoo Reveals SEC Investigation
1:28 Ford Takes Mach-E Coast-to-Coast
3:11 Lamborghini Lays Out Electrification Roadmap
4:08 Honda Confirms Manual for New Civic
4:35 Mercedes-Maybach S-Class Goes on Sale
6:29 Israeli Startup Creates Unique Hydrogen Engine
7:33 How Ford Appealed to Truck Buyers with a Hybrid

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17 Comments to “AD #3082 – Stellantis & Foxconn Form Technology JV; Canoo Reveals SEC Investigation; Unique Hydrogen Engine”

  1. Rey Says:

    @3:11,Lamborghini is part of the VAG , I guess they haven’t gotten the memo to go green and into BEVs, like Poorsche has, maybe VAG should just sell it like it has Ducati,and Bugatti.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    If Ford would offer the hybrid in a stripped down work truck they would probably struggle to build enough. That hybrid feature is great for a work truck where they don’t have to worry about someone stealing their generator. But why offer it in a highly trimmed out 70K+ truck?
    So I really question the comment; Ford really understands truck customers. Do they?

  3. GM Veteran Says:

    A few updates to the Ford Hybrid story.

    First, the mpg quoted is a little misleading. It is rated at 24 City and 24 Highway. So, it also has a Combined rating of 24, but the big story is the 24 mpg it gets in the City – especially with all of that power!

    Second, the Hybrid powertrain is available on ALL F-150 trim levels, not just the expensive ones. So, its not really accurate to say the Hybrid raked in over $700 million for Ford since you can get it in an XL trim level work truck for less than $50k.

    Don’t get me wrong, I think the way Ford is marketing the Hybrid powertrain is brilliant. I spent a fair amount of time on the Ford website and looking over inventory at local dealerships and really appreciate not having to fork over $80k to get this impressive powertrain option.

  4. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    2) Agreed. The cheapest you can get the 2.4KW electric generator is 61K in the King Ranch trim. 62K for the 7.2KW generator package. King Ranch and above trims are not the working mans truck LOL

  5. JWH Says:

    #1. Based on what I can find out, VAG has not sold Ducati or Bugatti. Ducati does report through Lamborghini.

  6. BobD Says:

    I like the Mach-E coast-to-coast PR tour, but it also seems a little off message to have it take 50 days to somewhat replicate the 1909 cross-county tour that only took 23. Doesn’t seem like much demonstration of technology progress 112 years later.

  7. wmb Says:

    #2.) That’s a good point with the price, but Sean said that the one that rolled through their office was tricked out, so i wonder where the base price for that version/model starts? Even if it were a little high, it still maybe an attractive work and play tool for those with cabins that are off the beaten path. One could work at their cabin and, whether or not it has power coming to it, they could use their truck to power tools and not drag the gas generator with them! I’m sure it can find it’s place among campsites too. Looking at it as something to compliment outdoor play and that big price may not be so bad to some. After spending some time in the woods, a family may like the comforts of this F-150′s interior appointments for the long drive back home.

    Regarding the Mercedes-Maybach, I still can’t understand why someone would spend that kind of money on a trim level of the Mercedes S-Class?! Even if the over all shape were the same, it would make more since to put a different ‘face’ and rear end styling, then just more chrome and a longer wheel base. As it stands, the Flying Spur makes for a much better proposition, even though it’s made from the bones of the Panamera. They look nothing alike, so it’s easier to judge the Spur on it’s own merits, then trying to justify how much better this Maybach is over the S600. Don’t get me wrong, the S-Class is an incredible vehicle, but would one get this Machbach over a Rolls Royce Ghost? I would have my doubts! Yet this is what it seems that Mercedes is asking and I can’t see why one would. IMHO, the competition for this vehicle is the DBX, the Bentayga and the S600!

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    6 Its because, with the charging times and long waits for the tow truck between charging stations out west it will take 50 days now.. :-) lol

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 The Maybach is for those with a lot of spare money, who don’t want to be as conspicuous as they would be in a Rolls.

    6 I was thinking the same thing. I guess it really takes a long time to charge these EVs.

    3 The 2wd hybrid gets 7 mpg, ~39% better city mileage than the 3.5t non hybrid. The 4wd hybrid gets 6 mpg better. This is significant, if you drive very much, even if you don’t need the generator capability.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=43457&id=43614&id=43463&id=43465

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Surprise, surprise, you can’t get the hybrid powertrain in an actual F-150 work truck, only the “crew cab.”

  11. Roger t Says:

    #2 – agree. That said launching new tech on low end of market is not how it’s done since the VW beatle a hundred years ago. New tech always goes upmarket first.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 From the Ford web site and a C and D article, it looks like they offer the hybrid powertrain in all trim levels, but only “crew cab.” Maybe they think it would have reliability problems in an 8 foot bed, regular cab work truck with frequent use of the generator function.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    9 So what is the combined difference in mpg and if its 18 vs 24 that’s like 208 gallons per year using 15K annual miles. So at todays prices $600 more in fuel per year.
    Couldn’t find what the hybrid option alone costs. Seems they try and hide that in with other options in a package deal to muddy the waters. Which is probably why they haven’t marketed toward a fuel savings thing. Probably takes a good 6 to 8 years to pay for itself.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The C and D article said something like 2K to 4K, depending on trim level. Yeah, the payback would be long, at today’s gas prices, unless you do a lot of city driving and use the generator function. The generator function is probably not very efficient, as it cycles the big engine off and on to charge the Prius-size battery.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13,14 From the C and D article:

    “The hybrid option can be had on any F-150 crew cab for a somewhat reasonable $2500 to $4495, depending on the trim level.”

    That probably means it is $2500 for the upper trim levels that have the 3.5t standard.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    This is an interesting article, testing the 7.2 KW generator function of the Ford truck at full output, charging a Tesla Model 3. Their methods, while not super precise, were well thought out. In summary, the efficiency was similar to a portable generator, the output was consistent, and it was quieter than most portable generators.

    https://www.evpulse.com/features/for-science-fuel-consumption-of-the-7-2-kw-pro-power-onboard-generator-in-the-2021-ford-f-150-hybrid

    The engine of the truck ran at a steady 1000 rpm while putting out ~7200 watts of power. The engine would start and stop, using power from the battery with engine off with lighter loads, but ran continuously with the 7200 watt load. The battery is small, 1.5 kWh, similar to a Prius battery.

  17. Sean Wagner Says:

    Interesting test hooking up a Model 3 to the Ford.

    The first Mach-Es have been arriving here in Europe, and it’s the 12th-best selling vehicle overall in the Netherlands this month (yes, daily updates) – with the new Skoda Enyaq (sibling of the ID.4) up on top.

    A very precisely controlled pair of linear engines might substantially cut down on vibrations. But if you can burn hydrogen, may as well go Wankel. Here’s looking at you, Mazda.