AD #3123 – Stellantis Close on Solid State Batteries; Volvo Taking Full Control in China; Mercedes’ Big Electric Plans
July 22nd, 2021 at 11:44am
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0:07 Stellantis to Have Solid State Batteries in 2026
1:08 Tesla Going to Accept Bitcoin Again
1:41 Volvo Taking Full Control of China Operations
3:36 Chip Shortage Hits GM’s Full-Size Pickups
4:09 Toyota Offering Digital Owner’s Manual
5:00 Used Batteries Piling Up in China
7:32 Mercedes Has Big Plans to Go Electric
8:43 Ford Improving Its Cabin Air Filters
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STELLANTIS CLOSE ON SOLID STATE BATTERIES
Looks like solid state batteries for electric cars could be a lot closer than we expected. Carlos Tavares, the CEO of Stellantis, says they plan to have solid state batteries in production by 2026. Speaking to the Automotive Press Association for a virtual interview he said they’ve already validated their technology for solid state batteries. Stellantis is involved in a joint venture called ACC or Automotive Cell Company, which includes Saft, the French battery maker. Before it comes out with solid state batteries, Tavares says Stellantis will build 5 battery plants to make conventional lithium batteries. Three of those will be in Europe, with at least one each in France and Italy. Two will be in North America, possibly one in the US and one in Canada. Tavares says they have to evaluate whether those plants can then be converted to make solid state batteries.
TESLA GOING TO ACCEPT BITCOIN AGAIN
A few months back, Elon Musk announced Tesla would accept Bitcoin as payment for its cars. But then a few weeks later Musk changed his mind. He said he was worried that mining the cryptocurrency uses too much electricity generated by fossil fuels. And now he says Tesla will likely start accepting Bitcoin as payment once again, after it determines if the coins are mined with at least 50% renewable energy. The news sent the price of Bitcoin up 8% yesterday.
VOLVO TAKING FULL CONTROL OF CHINA OPERATIONS
Over 20 years ago China mandated that foreign automakers had to establish a joint venture with a Chinese car company if it wanted to make cars in China. Next year it’s going to drop that rule. And Volvo will be one of the first to take advantage. It’s going to buy out the 50% stake in its Chinese operations it doesn’t currently control from parent company Geely. That includes its plants, R&D facility and its national sales company in China. Some analysts say this could make Volvo more attractive to investors if it goes forward with an IPO. But other foreign automakers may want to think twice before they try to take more control from their Chinese partners because it could create bad blood. Volvo doesn’t face that problem because even though Geely will no longer own part of its Chinese operations, Geely still owns Volvo.


CHIP SHORTAGE HITS GM’S FULL-SIZE PICKUPS
GM has done a good job of prioritizing its full-size pickups when it comes to the chip shortage, but now it doesn’t even have enough to make its most profitable vehicles. The automaker will suspend production of the Silverado and Sierra at its plants in Fort Wayne, Indiana and Silao, Mexico next week. At the same time it’s also cancelling production of the heavy-duty versions of those models at its Flint Assembly plant. The global auto industry is now in the worst phase of the chip shortage.
TOYOTA OFFERS DIGITAL OWNER’S MANUAL FOR SIENNA
Have you ever read your owner’s manual? Of course not. They’re typically over 300 pages long and jam packed with legal disclaimers. Toyota would love to get rid of the cost of printing those thick books and sticking them in every glove box, so it’s experimenting with a digital version in the Sienna minivan. But owners can still get the printed version if they want it. The digital version is powered by Google Cloud, it’s app-based and includes a voice-activated virtual assistant. Owners can ask personalized questions and get real-time answers for whatever they need to know about the van. Toyota is not the first to do this and with others like Tesla going digital, it’s probably the beginning of the end of the printed owner’s manual.

USED BATTERIES PILING UP IN CHINA
Used EV batteries are starting to pile up in China. The Global Times reports that there were 200,000 tons of used batteries in 2020, and that’s expected to hit about 780,000 tons in 2025. Recycling those batteries is becoming a critical issue. Lithium batteries for EVs are expected to last 6 to 8 years and the market to recycle them could reach $15.5 billion in China by 2025. But so far those batteries are largely disassembled by hand in small workshops. So it’s expensive. And if not done properly, it can lead to a lot of pollution. The Cutting-Edge Technology Research Institute says one 20-gram cell phone battery can pollute one square kilometer for 50 years. Chinese experts are calling for government subsidies to make battery recycling faster, cleaner and cheaper.
Battery recycling will be the topic on Autoline After Hours this afternoon. We’ve got Ajay Kochhar, the CEO of Licycle coming on the show to talk about their new process to recycle batteries. It’s impressive enough that General Motors formed a joint venture with Licycle to recycle 100% of the material scrap from its EV batteries. We’ve also got a number of other topics we’ll cover in the show: First: Has Elon Cracked the Subscription Code with FSD? Next: Are Rivian’s delays related to chips, or is making trucks hard? And finally: Will Lucid’s SPAC Make It Fully Legit or Just Valuable? Join John and Gary as well as Joann Muller as they explore what’s going on in the automotive industry.


MERCEDES LAYS OUT PLAN TO GO ELECTRIC
Mercedes is going to spend a whopping 40 billion euros to go all-electric by the end of the decade. From 2025 on it will have an all-electric version for every model it makes. Those vehicles will be built off three dedicated EV architectures; one for medium to large passenger vehicles, one for AMG and one for vans and light commercial vehicles. Over 200 gigawatt hours of battery capacity will be needed to power all of those vehicles. Mercedes says it will open 8 cell manufacturing sites around the world, in addition to 9 plants that will be dedicated to making battery systems. The batteries will be highly standardized, which means the same pack can be used in 90% of its cars, SUVs and vans. Mercedes will also bring electric motor production in-house and significantly expand its charging network. Even with all of the changes Mercedes is making it still expects to maintain similar profit margins with BEVs as it does with ICEs.

FORD ROLLING OUT NEW CABIN AIR FILTER
At the same time that wildfires are burning all across the western United States, Ford wants to give customers a little more peace of mind when it comes to the air quality inside their vehicle. Starting in the 4th quarter of this year a good percent of its lineup will come standard with a new cabin air filter. It’s called Refresh95 because it can remove at least 95% of some particles that are only 2.5 microns in size. For a little context, a human hair is about 70 microns in diameter. Particulates that are 2.5 microns or smaller can embed themselves in your lungs and lead to lung cancer. By the end of 2023 Ford says most of its lineup will use the new filter and current customers with a compatible vehicle can buy them from their dealer for about 35 bucks.

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July 22nd, 2021 at 12:35 pm
Stellantis is or will be building a bunch of plants in the next 4 years and after will see if they will be able to convert them to produce solid state batteries???K, calling bullshit.
July 22nd, 2021 at 12:41 pm
@2 I thought that was odd, too
July 22nd, 2021 at 1:08 pm
Congratulations to Volvo following the ownership path of Tesla.
July 22nd, 2021 at 2:03 pm
1,2 The plants, as in the buildings might be converted, but with completely different equipment inside.
July 22nd, 2021 at 2:05 pm
Research Institute says one 20-gram cell phone battery can pollute one square kilometer for 50 years…Going green…LOL
July 22nd, 2021 at 2:11 pm
So a cellphone battery can pollute a square kilometer for 50 years and this is considered the new green solution and the reason were dumping ICE which are cleaner than they’ve ever been. Is it me or is it like trading $hit for Manure?
July 22nd, 2021 at 2:25 pm
Betcha those microfilters won’t do much good in an EV when its battery catches fire!
July 22nd, 2021 at 2:29 pm
Re your story about the Toyota digital owners manual. I bought a 2021 F150 and there is no printed manual with the vehicle. Its loaded into the Sync 4 system so you have it in your car all the time, or you can get a PDF version from owner.ford.com. You can also purchase one from Helm (which I did) for $35 plus something like $15 for shipping (from Northville to Ann Arbor). I retired from Ford 3 years ago so I don’t know how many vehicle lines have digital owners manuals, but I would assume they’ll eventually do it across the board.
July 22nd, 2021 at 2:30 pm
6) The law of unintended consequences is always at work.
July 22nd, 2021 at 2:36 pm
https://www.motorbiscuit.com/elon-musk-says-tesla-is-going-to-die-if-he-leaves/
July 22nd, 2021 at 3:37 pm
The math seems off, but if I did this correctly and the average EV battery is about 600kg or 600,000grams divided by 20 (cell phone)grams means a single EV could pollute 30,000 square kilometers.
To put in perspective for the US readers. A single EV battery can pollute 7,413,000 acres. Or 11,583 square miles. BTW that’s about the size of Nevada. Yeah the whole state!
Also means you only need about 270 EV batteries to pollute the entire continental US.
July 22nd, 2021 at 4:23 pm
@5,6, 11It is important to understand what is meant, and what the factual basis is.
“20-gram cell phone battery can pollute one square kilometer for 50 years.” How so: when it is pulverized and dispersed over land? Before extrapolating that to a 600 kg battery, I suggest we first understand the 20 gram case.
July 22nd, 2021 at 5:47 pm
12 Precisely.
This week’s Autoline After Hours is a great place to start on the subject. I did notive Gary’s question about a typical battery’s content wasn’t precisely answered, though.
It seems a good ballpark figure for Nickel content is 40kg (the main battery cell [!] ingredient by mass). Tesla just signed a big deal with BHP Australia to that respect. Source https://www.ft.com/content/250d6dc7-d6e2-47d0-b76e-a9abaab5eeae
As for the quote above, it seems to originate with one Professor Wu Feng of the Beijing Institute of Technology. The article goes on to state that “the entire planet will be polluted and the ecosystem will be severely damaged.”
Translated Source – https://bit.ly/3kI3EQd
Smartphone production must stop immediately.
On the other hand, here in the heart of Europe, we pay a recycling fee that’s included in electronics purchases, and the correct disposal of just about everything is regulated.
Including the incineration of household waste, and special high temperature ovens for hazardous chemicals, of which there are many. No dumping on landfills.
I already have a bad conscience because I use minimal amounts of Diesel (filtered and reused as often as possible) to clean my speed skating bearings from time to time.
July 22nd, 2021 at 7:17 pm
5,11,12 What materials in LiPo batteries are especially toxic? They don’t contain arsenic do they, or even lead, except in trace amounts.
July 23rd, 2021 at 5:45 am
Is this along the line of how many drops of gasoline does it take to pollute a gallon of water?
The new Autoline After Hours directly relates to battery recycling. Good watching. It would have been nice to have Gary’s question about a battery’s materials answered.
For instance, if you ignore a pack’s structure and maybe the cells’ casings, Nickel is the top material by mass, at usually around 40kg (source: mining firm BHP via the FT).
It’s worth noting in this context that a Tesla Model 3 weighs about 150kg (330lb) more than an equivalent BMW 3-series.
July 23rd, 2021 at 7:53 am
12 Yeah! that was the same thought I had as to what material and level of pollution where they talking about? Because the story made it sound like the way in which the batteries are recycled can lead to the pollution. So where they just saying that the equipment needed to recycle is dirty and a high polluter? Or the battery itself? Which seems hard to believe.