AD #3129 – Bentley Reveals Special Edition Flying Spur; Sales of Counterfeit Parts Soar; Ferrari Working on A BEV
July 30th, 2021 at 11:57am
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Runtime: 10:24
0:08 Milton Freed on $100 Million Bail
0:52 Biden Wants Automakers to Commit to EV Sales Target
1:22 Ferrari Working on A BEV
3:06 Nissan Shakes Up Sales Strategy
4:01 Nissan Pledges to Promote More Women to Management
4:39 Bentley Introduces Special Edition Flying Spur
5:16 Bentley Sets Sales Record
6:37 OEMs Could Turn Back to Suppliers for Electric Motors
7:21 Sales of Counterfeit Parts Soar
8:05 Hyundai To Begin Fuel Cell Semi Tests in U.S.
8:47 Vertical or Horizontal Grilles?
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MILTON FREED ON $100 MILLION BAIL
Trevor Milton, the former CEO of Nikola who was booted out of the company and who turned himself in on charges of fraud, was freed on bail yesterday. But get this. Bloomberg reports that his bail was set at $100 million, which is a staggering amount of money. Milton, who is 39 years old, had to put up 10% of that bail money, or $10 million. He had to use two properties he owns to secure the bail payment. Courts usually set bail so high when they consider the accused to be a flight risk. Even most rich people would be reluctant to skip bail of $10 million. Trevor Milton is pleading innocent to all the charges.
BIDEN WANTS AUTOMAKERS TO COMMIT TO EV SALES TARGET
The Biden Administration wants automakers to pledge that 40% of new car sales by 2030 will be electric. According to Bloomberg, the talks are still in an early stage and no agreement has been made. Automakers say they’ll need government assistance to reach that target but it’s going to be difficult getting that help. President Biden proposed investing $15 billion to install half a million charging outlets across the country. But the Senate chopped that in half.
FERRARI WORKING ON A BEV
When Sergio Marchionne ran Ferrari, he told Autoline they would never make an electric car as long as he was CEO. Well guess what? Sergio is gone and it looks like Ferrari is working on a BEV. AutoForecast Solutions reports that Ferrari will start making an eSUV at Maranello starting in November of 2026. That’s when the next generation of the Ferrari Purosangue SUV also goes into production, and AutoForecast says it looks like the BEV will be built off that platform. Purists will cringe at the thought of a whisper quiet Ferrari, but with Europe getting ready to ban most ICE cars by the end of the decade, Ferrari doesn’t have much of a choice.
NISSAN SHAKES UP SALES STRATEGY
When Carlos Ghosn was CEO of Nissan he set a goal of achieving 10% market share. And he put enormous pressure on Nissan’s dealers to get there. Nissan used what they call a stair step sales strategy. Dealers could get a lot of money from the factory if they hit specific sales targets. But if they missed the target by even one car they would barely get anything. Now that Carlos Ghosn is gone, Nissan has a new strategy. Judy Wheeler, the division VP of dealer relations says Nissan is basing dealer incentives on customer loyalty. If customers are loyal to a dealer it gets big payments from the factory. So dealers are incentivized for treating customers really well so they keep coming back. It will take several years to yield results, but we think the payoff could last for decades.
NISSAN PLEDGES TO PROMOTE MORE WOMEN TO MANAGEMENT
Japanese companies do a poor job of promoting women to management and that’s especially true of the Japanese auto industry. So Nissan is pledging to increase the percentage of women in management in Japan to 13% by 2023. That’s up from 10% today. Globally, the company wants women to make up 16% of management in two years. That’s pretty low, but Nissan is doing a much better job than its Japanese rivals. As of 2018, women accounted for less than 2% of managerial jobs at Toyota and Honda.
BENTLEY INTRODUCES SPECIAL EDITION FLYING SPUR
Bentley is celebrating the launch of the Flying Spur Hybrid with a special edition version. They call it the Flying Spur Hybrid Odyssean Edition. It features unique exterior accents that almost look gold or bronze, 21-inch wheels, tweed accents on the interior and a special diamond stitching in the seats. As for the hybrid system, it pairs a 2.9L V6 engine and an electric motor, which combine for about 535 horsepower and helps propel the big sedan to 60 MPH in 4.1 seconds.
BENTLEY SETS SALES RECORD
And it’s vehicles like these that helped Bentley achieve record sales and profits. It sold nearly 7,200 vehicles in the first half of the year, which is a 50% increase over its pre-COVID figures. As with other high-end brands, an SUV led the way. Bentley sold 2,767 Bentayga’s in the first half of the year. The strong performance pushed revenue to 1.3 billion euros and resulted in an operating profit of 178 million euros, the highest ever for the company. Even so, Bentley says it remains cautious of the continued spread of the coronavirus, which could impact production.
OEMs COULD TURN BACK TO SUPPLIERS FOR ELECTRIC MOTORS
With the shift to electrification, automakers need to find alternatives for plants that produce components for ICE vehicles. That’s why Daimler Trucks just reached a deal with its Works Council union to convert three plants in Germany that make parts for combustion engines to make electric drive components, both for battery electric and fuel cell powered trucks. However, not all automakers may choose to go this route. Wards Intelligence reports that electric motor producer, Nidec believes most OEMs will turn back to suppliers to meet demand for electric motors. By 2030, the company says most automakers will outsource the motors to cut costs.
SALES OF COUNTERFEIT PARTS SOAR
Here’s an interesting side effect of the pandemic. The sale of counterfeit automotive parts online nearly tripled. And that’s because there’s money to be made. In some cases, fake parts have better profit margins than drugs. Here’s a warning for the counterfeiters. Don’t go after Daimler’s parts network. It’s got a whole team looking out for these unscrupulous products. Last year Daimler helped confiscate more than 1.7 million counterfeit parts and says low prices and dubious sources are common indicators of fakes. It especially focuses on safety related parts, like wheels and brake pads.
HYUNDAI TO BEGIN FUEL CELL SEMI TESTS IN U.S.
Big trucks seem like one of the best applications for fuel cells, due to the shorter refueling times and longer ranges. And now Hyundai is getting ready to launch a fleet of fuel cell powered class 8 semis. It’s working with both public and private partners to operate 30 of its XCIENT Fuel Cell trucks in California starting in 2023. The trucks are fitted with a 6X4 drive axle configuration and will have a maximum range of 500 miles or about 800 kilometers. It plans to use the knowledge gained from the project to develop a zero-emission commercial fleet business in the U.S.
VERTICAL OR HORIZONTAL GRILLES?
Vertical or horizontal? One of the great things about being an automotive designer is that you can play around with all kinds of different shapes and lines. These two cars really caught our eye at the Concours d’Elegance at St. Johns. The one with the vertical grille is a 1936 Hudson Custom Eight. It’s powered by an inline 8-cylinder engine with 254 cubic inches that makes 113 horsepower. Only six of these cars are known to exist. The one with the horizontal lines is a 1941 Graham Model 108. Officially this styling theme was called “Spirit of Motion.” But the public quickly nicknamed it the Sharknose Graham, and that’s the name that stuck from that point on.
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July 30th, 2021 at 12:18 pm
California has rolling black outs now where do you plug all these new bev’s in and don’t say everybody will plug them in between 1 and 4:30 am because that is a load of bs
July 30th, 2021 at 12:28 pm
Wow the headlights on the 1941 Graham were way ahead of their time. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a car from that era that didn’t have round headlights.. Very cool.
July 30th, 2021 at 12:30 pm
If Nissan wants to build customer loyalty than they need to have excellent product reliability. Nissan can quickly establish this by extending their bumper to bumper and powertrain warranties, similar to Hyundai and Kia.
The New Pathfinder and Rogue have the styling consumers are looking for but the durability and reliability are still in question.
July 30th, 2021 at 12:34 pm
Is a car like a Ferrari less desirable with a battery for an engine? I would think so. Isn’t part of the allure the screaming V8 or even better V12 and now replace that with a battery pack….
July 30th, 2021 at 1:17 pm
4 Yeah I think Ferrari is going to experience the same problem Harley Davison discovered with their Live Wire. On these niche vehicle where part of the driving experience is the sound, going silent takes part of the allure away. Guys and gals love the sounds of their HD its a distinct sound and goes hand in hand with the image.
To me its not all just speed and its like going into a drag strip or race track and the excitement you not only hear but feel from the engines crackling and smell of burning rubber. Take that away and its like going from a Imax 3D movie to a silent black and white movie on a 12″ tube TV. But as Sean said its not like they have a choice.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:05 pm
5. Here you go, the sound you are looking for! Yes, we both know it still will not be as good as the real thing.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:06 pm
Here is the link. https://evsoundsystem.com/evsma-1/#fp-next
July 30th, 2021 at 2:31 pm
@1 California can quickly adjust its power generating capacity to increasing demand by installing additional gas-fired power plants, which can be built on relatively short notice.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:32 pm
What a dumbass this POTUS is. You can mandate how to build but to actually sell it is another matter. The only way to force people to buy what they don’t want is to take the other option away. Just watch that will be next like the draconian measures he is inflicting on Federal employees with giving them the choice of either getting a forced vaccination or being harassed every week with testing. And when people still choose the testing they’ll threaten their jobs until they comply. Funny thing I thought they said the last guy was the Tyrant.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:35 pm
4 – I’m sure you meant to say electric motor, rather than battery, since batteries are not engines or motors. They simply store energy.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:46 pm
@9 What a dumbass you are to post an irrelevant political rant on an automotive industry forum.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:51 pm
8. California has plenty for natural gas power plants, unfortunately many have gone bankrupt because they are buying 1/3 of there electricity from out of state. Why, its cheaper and why create pollution in California when you can pollute someone else’s state.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:58 pm
I’m surprised electric vehicles don’t come with an “engine/exhaust noise” option.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:58 pm
@12 the point was that California could increase power generation capacity easily if needed, to sooth @1 who made a baseless comment.
July 30th, 2021 at 2:59 pm
@13 optional with the 4,000 Watts speaker package?
July 30th, 2021 at 3:03 pm
9) Noone like to be mandated. However the move towards electrics is for good reason and the whole world agrees. We seem to have gotten use to the law requiring seat belts and, even, mufflers…. so I bet electrics will not seam like that big of a sacrifice when the air we breath improves.
The same reasoning applies to vaccines. The virus increase is a result of the 33% unvaxers.
Those who are vaccinated are being morally responsible of others. It is not right for the few who refuse to potentially put the majority at greater risk just to make a political point. Comments like the ones you made will be the reason for any near future mask mandates and could have been easily avoided.
July 30th, 2021 at 3:16 pm
14. If bother to check it out you will find everything I said is true.
July 30th, 2021 at 3:17 pm
10 Yeah,batteries are like gas tanks.
July 30th, 2021 at 3:41 pm
4,5 The engine is much of what makes exotics what they are. Heck, the engine is even much of what defines a Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger to their fan base. In the near future, all electric powertrains will be essentially the same, even more than the zillion 2 liter turbo fours are very similar in “character.”
July 30th, 2021 at 3:42 pm
11 I beg to differ. When you tell manufacturers you want them to pledge to sell X number of anything it’s not feasible. You can tell them what to build they have zero control over what people buy unless like I said you take the choice away. maybe this doesn’t bother you because it doesn’t affect you. Just wait , if this kind of nanny state BS is allowed to go on they will eventually get to something you do care about. How much of your life and coices are you willing to give away. Because they know better what’s for you. Sounds a bit totalariam to me.
July 30th, 2021 at 3:47 pm
oh come on Cwolf really?? India and China are polluting at a rate that will make the US look like novices. Just like carbon credits you aren’t removing anything , you are merely moving it around . maybe the air might get celaner at the expense of the land and water if what was reported here the other week is correct about the damge 1 cell battery can cause, Now multiply that by millions and add giant EV vehicle battery packs to that a well. So how clean will that be again ??
July 30th, 2021 at 4:32 pm
16 I agree with the first part of your comments about the positive effects of mandating seatbelts, muffers and we can add other safety related items like rear cameras, etc.
BUT….. Please do research (not mainstream media or a demented POTUS(please rewatch the recent CNN town hall)) as to the numbers of VACCINATED people contracting and speading Covid. Not to mention adverse side effects from the jab including thousands dead. How can the majority of vaxxed be at any risk if the shots actually work. If they don’t work then the whole argument for them is pointless.
July 30th, 2021 at 4:40 pm
16 Mufflers are required when vehicles leave the factory, but there don’t seem to be laws against removing them in Indiana or Florida. Laws against removing mufflers are needed.
July 30th, 2021 at 4:46 pm
22 You must be on some powerful drugs, re. the covid vaccine. They greatly reduce the chance of getting seriously sick from covid, and the side effcts are trivial, and only last about a day, if you have them at all.
July 30th, 2021 at 9:30 pm
The majority of COVID cases come from three southern states that are lead by republicans . And they don’t care one damn bit as long as they can stay in power or benefit the party. Sick SOB’s
July 31st, 2021 at 5:37 am
The snippets of automotive lore are great. Made me dig up a picture of the Cord 810 with retracted headlamp covers (the answer is “round”). I didn’t know Amelia Earhart bought one of the first off the line (in yellow).
The EU Commission is planning a carbon border levy (paraphrased, and always subject to approval by all member states after extended negotiations) as a flanking measure. This is smart. Just like the reuse and correct disposal of batteries obviously is regulated.
As an aside, the increasingly popular LiFePO4 chemistry (cheaper, a tad heavier) is based on materials that are easier to come by and handle.
California already has to curtail “solar” power at peak times. And a lot of its imported energy comes from the big wind farms in the plains, while the money that flows in the opposite direction certainly seems welcome.
In 2020, German renewable energy accounted for almost exactly 50% of their total electricity production. Source https://bit.ly/2TM6b0H
July 31st, 2021 at 6:44 am
By the way, the commercial aircraft industry has years of experience dealing with counterfeit parts. They may look identical and even be made with the same materials, but lack the correct heat or surface treatments.
July 31st, 2021 at 7:38 am
26 LiFePO4 batteries are now commonly used to power receiver/servo packs for R/C airplanes. They have lower voltage per cell than LiPo and less energy density, but they work well for that application.
Regarding headlight shape, nothing but 7 inch round sealed beams was allowed in the US from 1940-1057. The smaller “quad” round headlights came into use in 1957, followed by two different rectangular sealed beam systems in the 1970s. Since the early-mid 1980s, composite lights, designed for each car model have been allowed. Older people here would know all of that, but younger ones might not.
August 1st, 2021 at 3:13 am
28 Kit – That’s interesting. Tesla started using that chemistry for Shanghai-made Model 3 SR pluses, sourced from CATL. It seems they’re prismatic cells – I’d be glad if someone in the know could confirm and maybe elaborate.
No wonder they’re widely available in China. Benchmarkminerals has a map of existing and planned Gigafactories of the world (funny how it’s become a generic term), and the US is badly lagging. Though some caution with respect to output applies, as the original Nevada plant demonstrated.
Advanced automation and industrial processes to the rescue… not an American forte anymore. If I could do one tech thing as President, it would be to increase relevant R&D by an order of magnitude. The paltry sums going into (applied) energy research are raising my hair on end.
While the EU’s proposed carbon levy for imports is a tool conforming with trade treaties to keep emissions and infrastructure from simply being exported.
In that light, Rivian planning their own cell factory on site (is it really so easy to come by the requisite knowledge and patents?) makes complete sense. They do have amazing amounts of cash to spend. And hence need a doubly alert CFO. I just looked her up.
August 1st, 2021 at 8:42 am
A former Prius owner, I remember the snark about “green” cars and buyers. Yet getting 52-57 MPG, saving my greenback dollars more than made up for it. But today, Toyota sings a different tune “Tesla-Owning Toyota Exec Argues Against BEVs, Favors HEVs, PHEVs.” (See web link.)
Trading in my last Toyota, a 54 MPG Prius Prime PHEV, for a Tesla brought the purchase price to $24,000 and halved the cost per mile, 133 MPGe. Snark is gone as I cross intersections first and reach the speed limit ~200 yards ahead of the pack.
If you don’t like a car, make a better one and we’ll buy it. But you can’t shame us away from it.
August 1st, 2021 at 12:27 pm
30 So far, HEVs work best for me. Cost per mile is less than using many, or most public EV charge facilities, and I go 550 miles between 5 minute fillups. Yeah, if and when I can charge at home, that could change things.
August 1st, 2021 at 2:08 pm
Cool 1942 Dodge ad:
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMd3RNpPH/
August 1st, 2021 at 3:09 pm
“The car is as sure-footed as a mountain goat!”
See aaca.org https://bit.ly/3loHP8v for the complete ad. There were three choices of green: Windward, Orinoco, and Forest. With America at war as reflected in the other colors’ names, who got to buy these?
August 1st, 2021 at 3:21 pm
33 Probably only generals and admirals could buy them. I’d like to have three choices of green, rather than what we now get, black, white, and 4 shades of grey.
August 1st, 2021 at 3:33 pm
33 Thanks for the link. Would they have shown an ad that long at a movie theatre before the show started?
August 1st, 2021 at 4:48 pm
Of course! I hadn’t thought of that. In between the news reels. Three blues too.
We don’t need colors anymore, we have the internets and seven shades of “Mystery Black” beside “Influencer Silver”.
At this point, I wouldn’t mind woodies roaring back into fashion. Instead, we get ginormous grills.
August 1st, 2021 at 5:57 pm
36 I should have ordered my ’89 Caravan with the woody treatment. It would be even more rare than it already is, with the turbo-manual transmission powertrain.
August 1st, 2021 at 6:18 pm
A little rain can make for a very interesting F1 race, as in Hungary today.
August 1st, 2021 at 9:56 pm
Let me say this first, ‘a Bentley with a V6 engine?!?!’ Never in a million years would one have thought that such a thing would come into existence! But these are interesting times.
That said, I understand the possibility of vehicles made by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin and even Bentley and Rolls Royce, being powered by motors that make little to no sound, gives many apprehension. Some on this forum suggesting that the sound of the engine makes up a big part of owning such a vehicle. Yet, with these vehicles, for the most part, being the possession of a very small percentage of individuals, honestly, the majority of us here may not be the ones hurt most by the above manufacturers change of vehicle propulsion. I say that not as a critique of the sentiments expressed, but to only make the point that most of use here fell in love with these vehicles, not from driving, riding in or hearing them, but for how they look, what we’ve seen in books, magazines and/or television and after what we’ve learned they can do! Humbly, I think it is a fair statement that, while a few of us have had the privilege to drive, riding in, see, touching and hearing a Ferrari or Lamborghini up close, MOST of us have not. That doesn’t mean we can not be hurt as fans, at the though of them losing a cherished part of their character. For most of us, though, they will still look as good, be as fast and pictures of them will be as exciting on the walls of our bedroom, she-shed or man-cave!
‘Well what about attainable vehicles like the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger! For a big part of their thrill is the sound of their motors too!’ To that I ask, is the sound of the engine the ONLY thing that makes them great? On a closed course, will they not still burn rubber and travel at incredible speeds? Think about this, when the automobile was being introduced, do you think any cowboys were willing to surrender their trusty, reliable horse for one of them? The though of giving up riding a horse at top speed, feeling the power of its legs as covers ground and the SOUND of its breathing and thunderous gallop, was no doubt intoxicating! To give that up for some thing with four wooden wheels, much slower and may have been steam driven at the time, sounds crazy, even today! While there are those who still adore horse back riding, over all, the automobile turned out to be better. Today we have vehicles with the equivalent of not one horse power, but close to 300hp on average. Pony cars come with as little as 325hp, all the way up to nearly 800hp! But this horse power doesn’t have legs or gallop, nor can we feel and hear them breath as it runs at incredible speeds, but we have LEARNED to love them for what they can do. So, while a BEV may not now make the sounds that many have become accustomed to, that doesn’t mean that there are not things to like (and hate) and grow to love about them too! For those of us who love Ferrari’s for how they look and how fast they go, the change to all electric power may not be as hard for us, as it will be for others.
August 1st, 2021 at 10:53 pm
39 One of the coolest cars I’ve ever seen at a show was a Bentley with only 4 cylinders. It was a 1920s Bentley 3 liter, and had a two seat “speedster” body.
To me, electrification will redefine, or probably kill exotics like Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. more than Rolls-Royce or Bentley. The engine almost defines a Ferrari, but wood, leather, wool, and the ultimate of luxury defines Rolls, and Bentley as they now exist. It didn’t really hurt Rolls much when they replaced their ancient pushrod V8 with with BMW engines, but a Ferrari wouldn’t be a Ferrari with a Dodge Hellcat V8, or even a BMW V12.
August 1st, 2021 at 10:59 pm
…and a Ferrari wouldn’t be a Ferrari with an electric motor, unless it’s a hybrid with an electric motor or two or three, and an exotic V8 or V12.
August 2nd, 2021 at 4:44 am
Maybe the silence that goes hand in hand with electric vehicles will actually enhance some cars that maintain their “aspirations”?
40 Kit – An iconic automobile. It even had four valves per cylinder (and dual spark plugs) back then, like some Duesenbergs. If I remember correctly, it was actually Peugeot who built the first car with such an engine, though.
August 2nd, 2021 at 8:46 am
I guess I grew up during a time when if you thought your car was pretty fast and you cruised around you often times knew if you should or shouldn’t race someone based on how their car sounded. You could tell a car had a huge cam or stock. That’s just an aspect that’s lost with EVs. I’ve been to plenty of car shows where guys will admire a beautiful engine and they all want to hear it. Nothing like a gallop of a big cam in a V8 to get the blood pumping.
24 Kit as for your trivial side affects. Tell that to my brother who at 49 took his vaccine before going on vacation to the virgin islands and while there, suffered 5 strokes. He is the healthy one of my three brothers not over weight and had no prior medical conditions. He is now learning to walk again with limited use of his left side. Still a good 15 years from retirement and not sure when he can go back to work. So side effects weren’t that trivial for him. Oh and now the WH wants everyone to wear masks even those that were jabbed so maybe not so effective. Meanwhile Press secretary spewing out lies about 95% of cases are unvac. people and the data doesn’t support that but I guess we should believe their lies.
August 2nd, 2021 at 9:14 am
43 Sorry about your brother. Hope he recovers ok.
I don’t know your source of misinformation saying the vaccines don’t work, but these people have thoroughly looked at the real data, and found that they do work.
https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/covid-19-vaccine-breakthrough-cases-data-from-the-states/
August 2nd, 2021 at 9:25 am
43) A friend of mine had his vaccine shot and it made his blood pressure go wild. Luckily he watches it closely and caught it before it ended in a stroke. He was in the hospital for 2 months immediately after getting the vaccine. Took 6 months for things to return to normal(he is 71 and was in the original group). He should have spoken to his doctor before getting the vaccine to determine if the side effects would be problematic.
I had my vaccine shot and had no side effects. Just a little bit tired with the second shot. I am by no means the picture of health. Everyone is different. I think everyone should get it but they need to speak with their primary care doctor first to be certain that the side effects will not be problematic for them.
August 2nd, 2021 at 9:35 am
45 I had some fever the day after the second shot (Moderna), and was completely back to normal the next day. I’m 74, and have some health issues, including hypertension.
August 2nd, 2021 at 10:56 am
Yes everyone is different and reacts differently to medicine. Just saying during this whole past year I have a very large family and not one person was hospitalized. That includes three which are nurses, one which worked the covid unit and two teachers and three first responders. We had a few test positive including one in my home a grandbaby yet no one else in the house got it. She drools on everything and somehow no one got it. My parents in there mid-70s got Mederna as did my brother. My parents had the typical side effects but my brother isnt sure he will ever recover. So no matter what the news says or even the multiple contradicting reports that are out there I tend to believe what I see and know for a fact. Fact is no one died or even got horribly sick that I know of. Cant say the same for the vaccine. I am more than happy to get the vaccine as soon as someone will accept full liability for it. I’m just not willing to take something experimental and sign a waiver that I accept responsibility for anything that may happen to me because of it. Not saying people didn’t die as I know they did. and people die every year from the flu although no one did this year. Just Covid.
August 2nd, 2021 at 1:32 pm
I got the covid moderna shot and my reaction was a heart rate of 202! I now am the proud owner of a pacemaker defibrillator. Along with my part of 60k in bills. Not everyone will have a reaction like mine but they are real and severe. These are the least tested vaccines in the past 40 years. The rush to “cover for the science” has lead people to blindly follow and agree to ANYTHING depending on who says it. It’s time for everyone to be skeptical of their own party and political affiliation. I am speaking of BOTH the democratic and republican parties. They both share the same level of incompetence.