AD #3129 – Bentley Reveals Special Edition Flying Spur; Sales of Counterfeit Parts Soar; Ferrari Working on A BEV

July 30th, 2021 at 11:57am

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Runtime: 10:24

0:08 Milton Freed on $100 Million Bail
0:52 Biden Wants Automakers to Commit to EV Sales Target
1:22 Ferrari Working on A BEV
3:06 Nissan Shakes Up Sales Strategy
4:01 Nissan Pledges to Promote More Women to Management
4:39 Bentley Introduces Special Edition Flying Spur
5:16 Bentley Sets Sales Record
6:37 OEMs Could Turn Back to Suppliers for Electric Motors
7:21 Sales of Counterfeit Parts Soar
8:05 Hyundai To Begin Fuel Cell Semi Tests in U.S.
8:47 Vertical or Horizontal Grilles?

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48 Comments to “AD #3129 – Bentley Reveals Special Edition Flying Spur; Sales of Counterfeit Parts Soar; Ferrari Working on A BEV”

  1. Jim Haines Says:

    California has rolling black outs now where do you plug all these new bev’s in and don’t say everybody will plug them in between 1 and 4:30 am because that is a load of bs

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Wow the headlights on the 1941 Graham were way ahead of their time. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a car from that era that didn’t have round headlights.. Very cool.

  3. Lex Says:

    If Nissan wants to build customer loyalty than they need to have excellent product reliability. Nissan can quickly establish this by extending their bumper to bumper and powertrain warranties, similar to Hyundai and Kia.

    The New Pathfinder and Rogue have the styling consumers are looking for but the durability and reliability are still in question.

  4. Buzzerd Says:

    Is a car like a Ferrari less desirable with a battery for an engine? I would think so. Isn’t part of the allure the screaming V8 or even better V12 and now replace that with a battery pack….

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    4 Yeah I think Ferrari is going to experience the same problem Harley Davison discovered with their Live Wire. On these niche vehicle where part of the driving experience is the sound, going silent takes part of the allure away. Guys and gals love the sounds of their HD its a distinct sound and goes hand in hand with the image.
    To me its not all just speed and its like going into a drag strip or race track and the excitement you not only hear but feel from the engines crackling and smell of burning rubber. Take that away and its like going from a Imax 3D movie to a silent black and white movie on a 12″ tube TV. But as Sean said its not like they have a choice.

  6. George Ricci Says:

    5. Here you go, the sound you are looking for! Yes, we both know it still will not be as good as the real thing.

  7. George Ricci Says:

    Here is the link.

  8. Wim van Acker Says:

    @1 California can quickly adjust its power generating capacity to increasing demand by installing additional gas-fired power plants, which can be built on relatively short notice.

  9. XA351GT Says:

    What a dumbass this POTUS is. You can mandate how to build but to actually sell it is another matter. The only way to force people to buy what they don’t want is to take the other option away. Just watch that will be next like the draconian measures he is inflicting on Federal employees with giving them the choice of either getting a forced vaccination or being harassed every week with testing. And when people still choose the testing they’ll threaten their jobs until they comply. Funny thing I thought they said the last guy was the Tyrant.

  10. GM Veteran Says:

    4 – I’m sure you meant to say electric motor, rather than battery, since batteries are not engines or motors. They simply store energy.

  11. Wim van Acker Says:

    @9 What a dumbass you are to post an irrelevant political rant on an automotive industry forum.

  12. George Ricci Says:

    8. California has plenty for natural gas power plants, unfortunately many have gone bankrupt because they are buying 1/3 of there electricity from out of state. Why, its cheaper and why create pollution in California when you can pollute someone else’s state.

  13. Merv Peters Says:

    I’m surprised electric vehicles don’t come with an “engine/exhaust noise” option.

  14. Wim van Acker Says:

    @12 the point was that California could increase power generation capacity easily if needed, to sooth @1 who made a baseless comment.

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @13 optional with the 4,000 Watts speaker package?

  16. cwolf Says:

    9) Noone like to be mandated. However the move towards electrics is for good reason and the whole world agrees. We seem to have gotten use to the law requiring seat belts and, even, mufflers…. so I bet electrics will not seam like that big of a sacrifice when the air we breath improves.
    The same reasoning applies to vaccines. The virus increase is a result of the 33% unvaxers.
    Those who are vaccinated are being morally responsible of others. It is not right for the few who refuse to potentially put the majority at greater risk just to make a political point. Comments like the ones you made will be the reason for any near future mask mandates and could have been easily avoided.

  17. George Ricci Says:

    14. If bother to check it out you will find everything I said is true.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 Yeah,batteries are like gas tanks.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4,5 The engine is much of what makes exotics what they are. Heck, the engine is even much of what defines a Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger to their fan base. In the near future, all electric powertrains will be essentially the same, even more than the zillion 2 liter turbo fours are very similar in “character.”

  20. XA351GT Says:

    11 I beg to differ. When you tell manufacturers you want them to pledge to sell X number of anything it’s not feasible. You can tell them what to build they have zero control over what people buy unless like I said you take the choice away. maybe this doesn’t bother you because it doesn’t affect you. Just wait , if this kind of nanny state BS is allowed to go on they will eventually get to something you do care about. How much of your life and coices are you willing to give away. Because they know better what’s for you. Sounds a bit totalariam to me.

  21. XA351GT Says:

    oh come on Cwolf really?? India and China are polluting at a rate that will make the US look like novices. Just like carbon credits you aren’t removing anything , you are merely moving it around . maybe the air might get celaner at the expense of the land and water if what was reported here the other week is correct about the damge 1 cell battery can cause, Now multiply that by millions and add giant EV vehicle battery packs to that a well. So how clean will that be again ??

  22. Joe G Says:

    16 I agree with the first part of your comments about the positive effects of mandating seatbelts, muffers and we can add other safety related items like rear cameras, etc.

    BUT….. Please do research (not mainstream media or a demented POTUS(please rewatch the recent CNN town hall)) as to the numbers of VACCINATED people contracting and speading Covid. Not to mention adverse side effects from the jab including thousands dead. How can the majority of vaxxed be at any risk if the shots actually work. If they don’t work then the whole argument for them is pointless.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 Mufflers are required when vehicles leave the factory, but there don’t seem to be laws against removing them in Indiana or Florida. Laws against removing mufflers are needed.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 You must be on some powerful drugs, re. the covid vaccine. They greatly reduce the chance of getting seriously sick from covid, and the side effcts are trivial, and only last about a day, if you have them at all.

  25. cwolf Says:

    The majority of COVID cases come from three southern states that are lead by republicans . And they don’t care one damn bit as long as they can stay in power or benefit the party. Sick SOB’s

  26. Sean Wagner Says:

    The snippets of automotive lore are great. Made me dig up a picture of the Cord 810 with retracted headlamp covers (the answer is “round”). I didn’t know Amelia Earhart bought one of the first off the line (in yellow).

    The EU Commission is planning a carbon border levy (paraphrased, and always subject to approval by all member states after extended negotiations) as a flanking measure. This is smart. Just like the reuse and correct disposal of batteries obviously is regulated.

    As an aside, the increasingly popular LiFePO4 chemistry (cheaper, a tad heavier) is based on materials that are easier to come by and handle.

    California already has to curtail “solar” power at peak times. And a lot of its imported energy comes from the big wind farms in the plains, while the money that flows in the opposite direction certainly seems welcome.

    In 2020, German renewable energy accounted for almost exactly 50% of their total electricity production. Source

  27. Sean Wagner Says:

    By the way, the commercial aircraft industry has years of experience dealing with counterfeit parts. They may look identical and even be made with the same materials, but lack the correct heat or surface treatments.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 LiFePO4 batteries are now commonly used to power receiver/servo packs for R/C airplanes. They have lower voltage per cell than LiPo and less energy density, but they work well for that application.

    Regarding headlight shape, nothing but 7 inch round sealed beams was allowed in the US from 1940-1057. The smaller “quad” round headlights came into use in 1957, followed by two different rectangular sealed beam systems in the 1970s. Since the early-mid 1980s, composite lights, designed for each car model have been allowed. Older people here would know all of that, but younger ones might not.

  29. Sean Wagner Says:

    28 Kit – That’s interesting. Tesla started using that chemistry for Shanghai-made Model 3 SR pluses, sourced from CATL. It seems they’re prismatic cells – I’d be glad if someone in the know could confirm and maybe elaborate.

    No wonder they’re widely available in China. Benchmarkminerals has a map of existing and planned Gigafactories of the world (funny how it’s become a generic term), and the US is badly lagging. Though some caution with respect to output applies, as the original Nevada plant demonstrated.

    Advanced automation and industrial processes to the rescue… not an American forte anymore. If I could do one tech thing as President, it would be to increase relevant R&D by an order of magnitude. The paltry sums going into (applied) energy research are raising my hair on end.

    While the EU’s proposed carbon levy for imports is a tool conforming with trade treaties to keep emissions and infrastructure from simply being exported.

    In that light, Rivian planning their own cell factory on site (is it really so easy to come by the requisite knowledge and patents?) makes complete sense. They do have amazing amounts of cash to spend. And hence need a doubly alert CFO. I just looked her up.

  30. Bob Wilson Says:

    A former Prius owner, I remember the snark about “green” cars and buyers. Yet getting 52-57 MPG, saving my greenback dollars more than made up for it. But today, Toyota sings a different tune “Tesla-Owning Toyota Exec Argues Against BEVs, Favors HEVs, PHEVs.” (See web link.)

    Trading in my last Toyota, a 54 MPG Prius Prime PHEV, for a Tesla brought the purchase price to $24,000 and halved the cost per mile, 133 MPGe. Snark is gone as I cross intersections first and reach the speed limit ~200 yards ahead of the pack.

    If you don’t like a car, make a better one and we’ll buy it. But you can’t shame us away from it.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 So far, HEVs work best for me. Cost per mile is less than using many, or most public EV charge facilities, and I go 550 miles between 5 minute fillups. Yeah, if and when I can charge at home, that could change things.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Cool 1942 Dodge ad:

  33. Sean Wagner Says:

    “The car is as sure-footed as a mountain goat!”

    See for the complete ad. There were three choices of green: Windward, Orinoco, and Forest. With America at war as reflected in the other colors’ names, who got to buy these?

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 Probably only generals and admirals could buy them. I’d like to have three choices of green, rather than what we now get, black, white, and 4 shades of grey.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 Thanks for the link. Would they have shown an ad that long at a movie theatre before the show started?

  36. Sean Wagner Says:

    Of course! I hadn’t thought of that. In between the news reels. Three blues too.

    We don’t need colors anymore, we have the internets and seven shades of “Mystery Black” beside “Influencer Silver”.

    At this point, I wouldn’t mind woodies roaring back into fashion. Instead, we get ginormous grills.

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 I should have ordered my ’89 Caravan with the woody treatment. It would be even more rare than it already is, with the turbo-manual transmission powertrain.

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A little rain can make for a very interesting F1 race, as in Hungary today.

  39. wmb Says:

    Let me say this first, ‘a Bentley with a V6 engine?!?!’ Never in a million years would one have thought that such a thing would come into existence! But these are interesting times.

    That said, I understand the possibility of vehicles made by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Aston Martin and even Bentley and Rolls Royce, being powered by motors that make little to no sound, gives many apprehension. Some on this forum suggesting that the sound of the engine makes up a big part of owning such a vehicle. Yet, with these vehicles, for the most part, being the possession of a very small percentage of individuals, honestly, the majority of us here may not be the ones hurt most by the above manufacturers change of vehicle propulsion. I say that not as a critique of the sentiments expressed, but to only make the point that most of use here fell in love with these vehicles, not from driving, riding in or hearing them, but for how they look, what we’ve seen in books, magazines and/or television and after what we’ve learned they can do! Humbly, I think it is a fair statement that, while a few of us have had the privilege to drive, riding in, see, touching and hearing a Ferrari or Lamborghini up close, MOST of us have not. That doesn’t mean we can not be hurt as fans, at the though of them losing a cherished part of their character. For most of us, though, they will still look as good, be as fast and pictures of them will be as exciting on the walls of our bedroom, she-shed or man-cave!

    ‘Well what about attainable vehicles like the Mustang, Camaro and Challenger! For a big part of their thrill is the sound of their motors too!’ To that I ask, is the sound of the engine the ONLY thing that makes them great? On a closed course, will they not still burn rubber and travel at incredible speeds? Think about this, when the automobile was being introduced, do you think any cowboys were willing to surrender their trusty, reliable horse for one of them? The though of giving up riding a horse at top speed, feeling the power of its legs as covers ground and the SOUND of its breathing and thunderous gallop, was no doubt intoxicating! To give that up for some thing with four wooden wheels, much slower and may have been steam driven at the time, sounds crazy, even today! While there are those who still adore horse back riding, over all, the automobile turned out to be better. Today we have vehicles with the equivalent of not one horse power, but close to 300hp on average. Pony cars come with as little as 325hp, all the way up to nearly 800hp! But this horse power doesn’t have legs or gallop, nor can we feel and hear them breath as it runs at incredible speeds, but we have LEARNED to love them for what they can do. So, while a BEV may not now make the sounds that many have become accustomed to, that doesn’t mean that there are not things to like (and hate) and grow to love about them too! For those of us who love Ferrari’s for how they look and how fast they go, the change to all electric power may not be as hard for us, as it will be for others.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    39 One of the coolest cars I’ve ever seen at a show was a Bentley with only 4 cylinders. It was a 1920s Bentley 3 liter, and had a two seat “speedster” body.

    To me, electrification will redefine, or probably kill exotics like Ferrari, Lamborghini, etc. more than Rolls-Royce or Bentley. The engine almost defines a Ferrari, but wood, leather, wool, and the ultimate of luxury defines Rolls, and Bentley as they now exist. It didn’t really hurt Rolls much when they replaced their ancient pushrod V8 with with BMW engines, but a Ferrari wouldn’t be a Ferrari with a Dodge Hellcat V8, or even a BMW V12.

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    …and a Ferrari wouldn’t be a Ferrari with an electric motor, unless it’s a hybrid with an electric motor or two or three, and an exotic V8 or V12.

  42. Sean Wagner Says:

    Maybe the silence that goes hand in hand with electric vehicles will actually enhance some cars that maintain their “aspirations”?

    40 Kit – An iconic automobile. It even had four valves per cylinder (and dual spark plugs) back then, like some Duesenbergs. If I remember correctly, it was actually Peugeot who built the first car with such an engine, though.

  43. Lambo2015 Says:

    I guess I grew up during a time when if you thought your car was pretty fast and you cruised around you often times knew if you should or shouldn’t race someone based on how their car sounded. You could tell a car had a huge cam or stock. That’s just an aspect that’s lost with EVs. I’ve been to plenty of car shows where guys will admire a beautiful engine and they all want to hear it. Nothing like a gallop of a big cam in a V8 to get the blood pumping.

    24 Kit as for your trivial side affects. Tell that to my brother who at 49 took his vaccine before going on vacation to the virgin islands and while there, suffered 5 strokes. He is the healthy one of my three brothers not over weight and had no prior medical conditions. He is now learning to walk again with limited use of his left side. Still a good 15 years from retirement and not sure when he can go back to work. So side effects weren’t that trivial for him. Oh and now the WH wants everyone to wear masks even those that were jabbed so maybe not so effective. Meanwhile Press secretary spewing out lies about 95% of cases are unvac. people and the data doesn’t support that but I guess we should believe their lies.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43 Sorry about your brother. Hope he recovers ok.

    I don’t know your source of misinformation saying the vaccines don’t work, but these people have thoroughly looked at the real data, and found that they do work.


    43) A friend of mine had his vaccine shot and it made his blood pressure go wild. Luckily he watches it closely and caught it before it ended in a stroke. He was in the hospital for 2 months immediately after getting the vaccine. Took 6 months for things to return to normal(he is 71 and was in the original group). He should have spoken to his doctor before getting the vaccine to determine if the side effects would be problematic.

    I had my vaccine shot and had no side effects. Just a little bit tired with the second shot. I am by no means the picture of health. Everyone is different. I think everyone should get it but they need to speak with their primary care doctor first to be certain that the side effects will not be problematic for them.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    45 I had some fever the day after the second shot (Moderna), and was completely back to normal the next day. I’m 74, and have some health issues, including hypertension.

  47. Lambo2015 Says:

    Yes everyone is different and reacts differently to medicine. Just saying during this whole past year I have a very large family and not one person was hospitalized. That includes three which are nurses, one which worked the covid unit and two teachers and three first responders. We had a few test positive including one in my home a grandbaby yet no one else in the house got it. She drools on everything and somehow no one got it. My parents in there mid-70s got Mederna as did my brother. My parents had the typical side effects but my brother isnt sure he will ever recover. So no matter what the news says or even the multiple contradicting reports that are out there I tend to believe what I see and know for a fact. Fact is no one died or even got horribly sick that I know of. Cant say the same for the vaccine. I am more than happy to get the vaccine as soon as someone will accept full liability for it. I’m just not willing to take something experimental and sign a waiver that I accept responsibility for anything that may happen to me because of it. Not saying people didn’t die as I know they did. and people die every year from the flu although no one did this year. Just Covid.

  48. Ed Says:

    I got the covid moderna shot and my reaction was a heart rate of 202! I now am the proud owner of a pacemaker defibrillator. Along with my part of 60k in bills. Not everyone will have a reaction like mine but they are real and severe. These are the least tested vaccines in the past 40 years. The rush to “cover for the science” has lead people to blindly follow and agree to ANYTHING depending on who says it. It’s time for everyone to be skeptical of their own party and political affiliation. I am speaking of BOTH the democratic and republican parties. They both share the same level of incompetence.