AD #3140 – Lincoln Anniversary Concept; NHTSA Investigating Autopilot; Ford & GM Battle Over Trademarks

August 16th, 2021 at 11:46am

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Runtime: 11:39

0:08 Ford Battles GM Over Trademark Infringement
1:04 NHTSA Opens Formal Investigation into Tesla’s Autopilot System
1:42 Tesla Expands Supercharger Network in China
3:01 Design Students Create Futuristic Lincoln
3:54 Rimac Nevera Unofficially Fastest Production Car
4:34 Mystery Car Revealed
6:14 Bidding War Over Veoneer
7:05 Wuling Hong Guang MINI EV Still Red Hot in China
8:19 Mose Nowland Passes Away

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23 Comments to “AD #3140 – Lincoln Anniversary Concept; NHTSA Investigating Autopilot; Ford & GM Battle Over Trademarks”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    A Dodge Demon at $85K or a Model S plaid at $130k vs a Rimac Nevera at 2.4 Million vastly different buyers. Doesn’t seem worth it at $280,000 per 1/10 of a sec.

  2. GM Veteran Says:

    I would love to see images of the other Lincoln designs. That blue minivan-ish rendering looked very intriguing with some Art Deco styling characteristics. They flashed through so quickly it was hard to get a good impression. Are they available to view somewhere?

  3. GM Veteran Says:

    NHTSA Investigation of Tesla: Its about time!

    Ford vs GM trademark suits: Its a slow year in the corporate legal departments; they need something to do.

    Wuling EV: Even though it could not be sold here, the basic principles could be applied to a product that could be reasonably priced and sold in quantity in many markets. Its the VW Beetle of the EV age!

  4. Lambo2015 Says:

    1-Cont- Also “production car” is a vague term and as most will agree that’s anything over 50 identical vehicles Rimac is only making 150 of these cars. So although achieving a sub 9 sec run is worth celebrating its only going to be appreciated by 150 buyers. Give Elon some time and I bet he’ll beat that time and for less than 2.4M.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 Yeah! I thought the same thing. If they could get the price of an EV around 10K and forget about making it a long trip vehicle. Make something for the city dweller that only needs 30 miles a range a day. Keep it small and utilitarian. Just not sure Americans could go as basic as that Wuling. But a few options shouldn’t add too much to the current 4k price.

  6. wmb Says:

    The thing that is funny to me, is that in today’s report we have to BEV that are getting headlines for two different reasons. The sell of the super mini from Wuling and the hyper exotic from Rimac! Selling 300K of anything in a year is a big thing, especially for such a small car. Then you swing to the million dollar car and how quick it goes down the road! It drives home the point that, if packaged and marketed correctly, BEV are some thing that can appeal to and people at all price points. I don’t think the 300K in China who are buying the little Wuling are early adopters, climate change specialist, but regular individuals who see a good deal that they can afford! And that the Rimac Nevera is an exciting car because it’s fast, powerful and its an arguably attractive car, whether it’s BEV or an ICE vehicle.

  7. ChuckGrenci Says:

    The copyright wars seem a little silly; if you want to copyright a common word, just spell it differently. This has been done in the past. Common words should not have restrictive domain over them.

  8. Kevin A Says:

    What does a regular golf cart cost? Maybe a Wuling without doors would be cost competitive.

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    7 You mean like Chevy Cruze? Ironic that the parent company actually holds a trademark for that spelling too! Ford might win this one because it is a common word with multiple meanings and uses. It never should have been trademarked with its traditional spelling.

  10. XA351GT Says:

    the issue city dwellers will regardless of what vehicle they have is parking . Anyone who lives or works in the heart of a city and has to park there everyday will find parking more costly than the vehicle is a year.

  11. XA351GT Says:

    9 I agree it would be like trademarking the word car, kar, carr, or karr, to keep anyone else from being able to use anything resembling the word .

  12. Drew Says:

    The fastback and split backlite of that Lincoln design concept reminds me of the de Tomaso Mangusta.

  13. Drew Says:

    @5 – A modest range BEV was tried already in the North American market. Initially as an “adapted” Ford Focus. Then as a “dedicated” vehicle – the Nissan Leaf. Both had compromises… the Focus was package inefficient and the Leaf was just plain ugly.

  14. Bob Wilson Says:

    If the NHTSA includes statistics on all vehicle-to-emergency crashes, I’ll be happy. But 11 events is too small to draw any conclusions.

    Tesla software changes roughly every 6-8 weeks and many of these crashes were nearly a dozen versions ago. But the real challenge is Tesla dropping radar.

    Tesla reports radar often generates false signals that made AutoPilot and FSD unreliable. Tesla has already changed to vision only for the Model 3 and Y.

    For NHTSA to do a credible analysis, they need a test, emergency vehicle stop on a test track. Do that, and the report will have credibility. Without it, just blowing smoke and FUD.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 Good point! Will the NHTSA conduct tests using the level software that was in the crash or most recent level? Tests should be done with the level the car was at during the crash and most recent. maybe the problem has already been resolved but if they only test the current level the results could be incomplete.

  16. Drew Says:

    14. The decision to drop radar and rely solely on vision-based systems is the problem. Vision-based systems are less reliable at night and when faced with glare (low sun; bright oncoming/emergency lights). Tesla chose to compromise safety for a cost saving.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I always dispised the use of deliberately mis-spelled real words as car names, especially Prizm, which confused millions of people about how prism is actually spelled. Maybe this trademark idiocy is partly responsible for car names like Cruze.

    As far as 0-60 times, and maybe quarter mile times of EVs, tires are already the limiting factor. What tires do the Rimac and Plaid? That could be the difference in those numbers.

  18. Bob Wilson Says:

    Looks like the “Enfield 8000” was just too soon for the Chinese market. Perhaps bring it back for India?

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    GM should bring back the EV-1. It had almost 100 miles of range with lead acid batteries, and would have close to 400 miles with LiPo. That would work for essentially all commuters who could charge at home, and most would need to charge only once a week.

  20. David Sprowl Says:

    The Super Mini from Wuling….is that not a Club car with doors? about the same price

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 The Wuling Mini goes 4 times as fast as a Club Car, and has about twice the range. It wouldn’t be much more crashworthy, though.

  22. joe Says:

    The name Cruise could have a huge impact in the future. It’s obvious that Ford wants to ride on GM’s success. Ford, they are zillions of names you can use. Get creative and find another name.

  23. Sean Wagner Says:

    3 & 4 – GM Veteran – Good ones. I liked what you aptly describe as the art-deco design too. And characterising the WuLing Mini as a modern beetle works for me.

    It could never be as cheap in Europe or the US, but I think simple metro runarounds could make their market. With limited autonomy, they could also position themselves alongside nearby charging stations during the night, and double as a cargo carrier during the day.

    16 Drew – Tesla vision – There’s an excellent expose by Andrej Karpathy online where he explains in detail that with vision alone, data coherence is far better, and night sight excellent.

    Tesla does use Lidar (as I once surmised) to train the AI learning environment.