AD #3162 – Genesis Could Make Car Keys Obsolete; XPeng P5 Turns Into a Movie Theater; Citroen Expands Into India

September 16th, 2021 at 11:50am

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Runtime: 10:04

0:07 GM Offers New Safety Recommendations to Bolt Owners
0:59 GM Will Make HD Suburbans for the Government
1:38 Chip Shortage Hurts European Car Sales
2:43 Former Tesla Co-Founder Expands Battery Business
3:54 Genesis Tech Could Make Car Keys Obsolete
5:54 XPeng P5 Turns Into a Movie Theater
7:08 Citroen Expands Into India with the New C3
8:10 Ford Refreshes the Fiesta

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33 Comments to “AD #3162 – Genesis Could Make Car Keys Obsolete; XPeng P5 Turns Into a Movie Theater; Citroen Expands Into India”

  1. GM Veteran Says:

    So, another long-term federal vehicle contract with no electrification? The final Suburbans will be delivered ten years from now. What percentage of vehicle sales will be EV by then? The government isn’t doing very much to adhere to Biden’s electric government fleet edict. Since the government issued the specs, they could have specified BEV or hybrid drive technology to reduce emissions and increase mileage. This is pretty surprising.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Maybe I forgot how to do math but if GM is building 200 HD Suburban’s over the next 9 years that’s 1800 plus the 10 per year for the next two = 1820. Very much doubt the government is getting those for $20k each. Which means that 36.4 Million is probably for the first 20 but that makes them 1.8 Million each. and if that’s the case they need another 3.2B for the other 1800..
    Just doesn’t make sense.. Sean any word on what that 36.4 Million covers?

  3. GM Veteran Says:

    The Genesis facial recognition thing is going to make it difficult to loan your vehicle to someone. But, maybe that’s a good thing! “I’d love to let you drive my GV60, but it won’t recognize you”.

  4. Bob Wilson Says:

    Lucid announced “Official EPA range up to² 520 mi” with a footnote: “EPA estimated range: . . . Projected EPA estimated ranges are subject to change.” Lucid has yet to deliver a customer owned car that can be independently tested.

    VW is claiming their ID Life will go for 20,000 EU in the future. This is possible using affordable LFP batteries. But the future may be a long way off.

  5. GM Veteran Says:

    You’re right Lambo. The initial contract is to develop the HD Suburban to the government’s specs. It needs to have a higher GVW and corresponding heavier duty frame and suspension. They didn’t say why, but I suspect its because of armor protection. If satisfied with the result and the initial ten units, the government will then execute another contract for the remaining 1,800 units.

  6. GM Veteran Says:

    4 – The Lucid Air is listed on the EPA site, under 2022 models. Depending on configuration, it achieves 111 to 131 mpge.

  7. Alex Carazan Says:

    GM BOLT FIRE RISK IN EV’S: Any OEM that makes mistake (regardless if supplier mfg defect) that puts life at significant risk of their customers should IMMEDIATELY take all the vehicles back (out of use and safely dispose/recycle the high risk batteries) and give customers FULL 100% refund plus extra 15% for their fear and inconvenience. OEM telling owners to park outside could also create land wildfires risk.

    Many OEM’s had EV fires that are very hard to extinguish. Many recalls already. Are battery EV’s safe?

    As OEM’s race to make EV’s at higher power density and longer range and lower mass the risk for fires will likely go up.

    Luckily EV’s are only 2.2% of sales with little sign of increase. EV’s add little value to end users yet create very large issues and inconveniences for them. Let’s see what happens.

  8. George Ricci Says:

    All this talk about 2030 and 2035 is BS. The supply chain and infrastructure needed for That will not be there by then. CARB has never hit any of their EV mandates. POTUS says I want this percentage by this date to put pressure on auto companies and appease environments. Auto companies say a percentage by this date to sound like they are on board and raise the stock price. But in the end they will build what people are willing to buy.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 Also, it lists range of 520 miles for “Lucid Air Dream R AWD w/19 inch wheels.” I guess that means they have actually tested them, so they must have built at least one of each version.

  10. MJB Says:

    @1,2 – yep. Both good points.

    Genesis facial recognition: Okay, so now all I need is one of those rapid prototyping face printers like Ethan Hunt (Mission Impossible), and I can take my neighbor’s new Genesis for a joy ride.

    In all honesty though, I don’t see this as being practical in some scenarios. Sometimes I’m wearing glasses, other times contacts. I also don’t keep the same amount of facial hair year round. I float between full mustache, goatee, and beard. And then there’s the low-light scenario of nighttime and dimly lit garages.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 I can set my phone for multiple “looks,” like with and without glasses, but it doesn’t work all the time. Different lighting, different background, etc. can confuse it. I suspect the car will have alternate ways to unlock it, like the PIN on my phone.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    5 Well 1.8 Million per vehicle seems like typical government spending. GM who has been building light, medium and heavy duty trucks for years needs 36.4 Million to produce 20 vehicles that can carry a bit more weight? They are probably 100K each and need another 100K worth of suspension upgrades. Just seems wasteful.
    I’m betting an outfit like Diesel brothers could take a new Suburban and make the suspension upgrades and make it armored for less than 250k each.

  13. DanChester Says:

    I’d like to know how that Genesis facial recognition-instead-of-keys-or-fobs system accounts for the dock workers who move the cars on/off ships, the truckers who haul them and the dealer personnel who move them around pre-sale and during service.

  14. XA351GT Says:

    GM needs to step up and do the right thing and refund every Bolt owner in full and let them go buy a vehicle that they can actually use. what ridiculous instructions exactly how are they to make sure their car is 50 feet away from others? Put up velvet ropes around the POS? Don’t charge at night , isn’t that the main selling point of EVs is to charge while you sleep? I hope they don’t use similar batteries in the Lyric. Once again they shot themselves in the foot.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5,12 etc. Those Suburbans are probably special ones designed to mount retractable machine gun turrets, or something like that.

  16. Bob Wilson Says:

    Just paint some hummers in pink and black … the Suburban problem is solved.

  17. Kevin A Says:

    Infra red facial recognition doesn’t have the same problems with lighting and facial hair. Your face is warm all the time. Not sure how well it works in the cold though.

  18. Kevin A Says:

    Infra red facial recognition doesn’t have the same problems with lighting and facial hair. Your face is warm all the time. Not sure how well it works in the cold though.

  19. Albemarle Says:

    As the Bolt becomes more and more useless, GM has stopped responding to customers. GM seems to feel that since they are busy working out a solution current owners should just wait quietly and patiently for a fix. It’s not like you need a car.

    Ignoring all the other stupid and annoying rules, just imagine only being able to fill your gas tank to half. The novelty would wear off pretty fast. Now park your car outside only in the back field. Don’t ever buy gas under an awning. Finally, pay an extra $10k for the ‘privilege’.

  20. Rey Says:

    Not sure where GM wants Bolt owners expect to park their cars, last time I looked even Home adept or Wal-Mart parking spaces are 3 feet apart between doors, maybe just park them in GMs Dealerships carlots, then take the bus or UBER home.Im sure GM OR Dept will understand/S.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    What is Hyundai doing re. the Kona EVs that use the same batteries as the Bolt? Are they all recalled, and are owners given “special instructions”?

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Here’s a partial answer to my question.

  23. Rey Says:

    #21 kit, from what I read Hyundai got LG to cover 70% of costs of recall,the Kona was mostly a compliance car, very rare in Canada, I saw only one ever here in Toronto, most were sold in home country and Europe and Calif/ EV friendly States. There were definitely more Bolts and Ampera(EU) thus more hit in recall sure LG will cover a big portion of costs , but damage to GM brand is done by their ineptness, I mean park the car 50 feet from other cars?REALLY? maybe it has a form of automobile Covid.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 Yeah, maybe GM gave too much priority to preventing house fires, etc. from the handful of fires at the expense of owner satisfaction with the vast majority of cars that would not catch fire. If I had one, I would park it normally at stores, restaurants, etc., but would park it outside and away from buildings if charging it overnight.

  25. Rey Says:

    #24,People who have the Bolt are complaining, how the heck does one charge it overnitein the garage, babysit the car while charging? Slow charge @ Whole Foods overnite? How to keep other cars 50 feet away, maybe have extendable sticks to keep that distance? Better idea would be to leave the Bolt in the GM Dealership parking lot after hours,im sure their PR Dept will have some explaining to do if a ” thermal event” happens while parked there and takes some cars with it.

  26. Sean Wagner Says:

    23 Automobile COVID. Ouch. gm now has to make darn sure the Lyriq is fully vaccinated, and perceived as such too.

  27. ChuckGrenci Says:

    I think if I had a Bolt and wanted to charge it overnight I would park it away from the house and use the 110v charge with an extension cord. I’m thinking most Bolts are used for short around town service so probably no need to use the higher voltage system (till battery rectification) from LG/GM. This doesn’t address all charge/uses but should help most.

  28. ChuckGrenci Says:

    21,22 It appears Hyundai is responding almost ‘in-kind’ as GM has handled their response. But as usual, GM hardly ever gets ‘a pass’ from their actions and are always the focus of bad press (held to a higher standard). Hyundai, while getting ‘press’ on their fires faired somewhat less affected.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Yeah, GM always seems to be held to a higher standard, but also, there are very few Kona EVs in the US. Hyundai may be getting more bad press in their home market, being the “Korean GM.”


    I would get rid of my Bolt if I had one. Those recommendations are impossible to adhere to. Imagine the thousands of dollars in lost resale value that is occurring over this botched recall. It would be the last GM vehicle I ever drove.

    They should offer their owners a loaner car until such time as the batteries can be replaced. I would even throw in a gas card to pay for the difference in cost between fuel and electricity. If they did that I would be happy with GM and would likely buy another GM vehicle. The way they are handling this situation is completely unacceptable. They are basically saying here is a bunch of unrealistic things you should do and good luck out there…you are going to need it.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 If I had a Bolt, I would do as Chuck G. described #27, charge it outside, and with 120v, if the ~4 miles/hr charge rate would be adequate for my use. I certainly wouldn’t sell it now, because it will be worth a lot more after the recall service is complete.

  32. XA351GT Says:

    31 That’s the dirty little secret w/ EVs the resale is almost impossible . Who in their right mind wants to buy a vehicle and then have to replace the batteries in 2-3 years at a cost probably equal to the value of the car? If a original owner holds on to the car for 3-4 years and the battery packs last 6-7 years and cost thousands to replace it just doesn’t make sense.It be like buying a ICE vehicle at 60K miles knowing you have to replace the engine and trans at 100K miles

  33. Rey Says:

    #32, theres this guy Hoovies on Youtube, he bought $160,000 Mercedes AMG real cheap$4500+ looks like a replacement used motor was about$10,000, amongother things.