AD #3206 – Nissan Titan Could Get the Axe; Porsche Expands Taycan Lineup; Toyota bZ4X Debuts at LA Auto Show

November 17th, 2021 at 11:51am

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Runtime: 10:07

0:08 Hyundai Jumps into Home Energy Market
0:43 Volvo Unveils Concept Recharge
1:27 Porsche Adds GTS & Sport Turismo Models to Taycan Lineup
3:13 Volta Trucks Builds First Prototype
3:57 Nissan Ariya & BMW iX U.S. Pricing Announced
5:00 Nissan Titan May Not See Another Generation
6:46 Toyota bZ4X Debuts at LA Auto Show
9:05 Honda & SoftBank Test 5G And Cellular V2X

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27 Comments to “AD #3206 – Nissan Titan Could Get the Axe; Porsche Expands Taycan Lineup; Toyota bZ4X Debuts at LA Auto Show”

  1. Norm T Says:

    When is Toyota going to invest in North America battery factories like GM?

  2. buzzerd Says:

    I can see it now, I get a message on my phone so I take it out and look at it and it says ” what out for that ca” and that’s when it hits me.
    I would agree with Toyota, rarely in life is there one solution for large problems, possibly never.

  3. GM Veteran Says:

    I just want to go on record now and nominate Toyota for a chunk of coal this year, for the ridiculous name of its new EV, the bZ4X. Already being referred to as the Busy 4 Large, this clunky name seems as though it was an internal code for the car while it was in development and someone forgot to change it to the real name before they ordered all of the vehicle badging. So now, they are stuck with it.

    Its not memorable and isn’t flattering. When friends and relatives ask what vehicle you just bought, I think most people will simply say its that new Toyota EV, rather than throw that name out there and experience the looks of amazed confusion on their faces.

  4. GM Veteran Says:

    So much for Nissan’s “big push” into the full size truck market. The current Titan was an interesting concept that was poorly executed. People that know trucks know that this Cummins engine was a bad design and was on the shelf when Nissan came knocking. Other truck makers had already rejected this engine. It allowed Nissan to quickly get into the game, but with very disappointing results. So now their big push turns into a quiet dismantling of their full size pickup effort. Sadly, it seems very typical of Nissan management of the last decade.

  5. buzzerd Says:

    @3 I second that motion. Companies pay big bucks for a group of big fat heads to come up with names and that’s what they settled on?

  6. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Even though my comment is 20/20 hindsight, perhaps Nissan should have been more insightful and dropped the last Titan development (it was going to be a stretch in the first place) and devote those monies into the aging Frontier, which had some recognition in the mid-sized pickup market to begin with. Even with the now new Frontier, Nissan has only met the competition and hasn’t exceeded it. With new entries coming from the GM Twins and a new Ranger, it will lagging again fairly shortly.

  7. cozy cole Says:

    OMG, the Taycan sport trurismo is drop dead fantastic, what a stance. Now, all I need is a spare 150K!!!

  8. GM Veteran Says:

    With Nissan being in the EV game as long as any major OEM, and with this new vehicle not going on sale for a year yet, the pricing seems kinda high. Rather than spending sixty large for a Nissan crossover, I might consider many other options like the Cadillac Lyriq for less than $60k, or a BMW or Audi.

    While we are on pricing, did anyone else see that Tesla has been cutting prices in China and hiking them here? The Model Y crossover sedan now has a base price of more than $62,000 when Destination Charge is included! It went on sale in March of 2020 for $43,190 including Destination Charge. Now that is inflation!

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    Hats off to Volvo and Geely. To Geely, for letting Volvo management execute an ambitious strategy for the brand and not undermining its effectiveness by micromanaging them from China HQ.

    And to Volvo, for recognizing that their core of loyal, safety-conscious buyers also cared a lot about the environment, and crafting a corporate direction and image that strongly supports those beliefs. They have done a great job in marketing their products and maintaining an appealing and unique identity. The results speak for themselves. Big ambitions from a relatively small brand.

  10. Wim van Acker Says:

    @8, you say inflation, I say the result of their success: TESLA has built up a very strong brand image and apparently the buyers are paying it. TESLA is a for-profit business and it should charge as much as the market accepts, not as little as possible. The first is for the market leader, the latter is for the followers.

    As long as it lasts, obviously.


    8) If their customers are willing to pay more, then so be it. Obviously customers in China are not willing to pay more.

  12. GM Veteran Says:

    10, 11 Agree with all of your statements. Its a free market. Just noting a pricing increase over a very short time that is breathtaking in the automotive business, that’s all. They have great and innovative products and a brand image that is very strong. I’m sure they will enjoy their pricing power as long as it lasts.

    I think the lower prices in China are the result of a lot of competition. I think they will adjust as more competitors hit the market here in the U.S. also.

  13. XA351GT Says:

    Maybe Nissan will kill the Titan and rejoin the compact truck scene with a modern Hard Body to compete with Ford and Hyundai. think buyers would be more accepting of a smaller truck from Nissan than a full size . 24K in sales in a year is pitiful compared to what Ford,GMC/Chevy and RAM sell in a month. Wouldn’t surprised to see Toyota exit with the Tundra and re-enter the compact market also. That was where Nissan and Toyota excelled in truck sales.

  14. GM Veteran Says:

    13, Nissan just launched an all-new Frontier and it has gotten good reviews, including here on Autoline. Toyota never left the compact market and is the current market leader with the Tacoma.

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @12, I am with you, and I am curious how the new EV products will fare, such as VW, Cadillac, Ford, BMW, Porsche. To me it seems that from the current low market share there is so much sales growth potential that the competition is not TESLA versus the others, but TESLA and the others versus ICE-powered vehicles. What do you think?

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8,10 etc. Part of why Tesla prices are lower in China, is that they sell more basic cars, with smaller batteries and RWD.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like the new Taycan version, a lower wagony car with less black plastic.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    15, I think you are right on both counts, it just depends how you make the comparison. With EV adoption increasing fairly rapidly, it will be awhile before Tesla really feels the heat. Eventually their market share will fall even as their sales continue to rise.

    So far, the luxury marques seem to be doing well with their EV entries. At their prices, it doesn’t take many sales to make it a success. I think VW is the real test for a volume brand but I am not too enthused about their EV line. Its kind of a snooze fest in the styling dept.

    Ford seems to be doing well with the Mustang Mach-E and Mr. Farley says it is generating a profit for Ford. The Lightning is a good place for a second effort. Lots of volume in full size pickups.

    The Hummer is much like the Taycan, etc. Small numbers, big price tags. I am very interested to see how Cadillac does with the Lyriq as it carries a decent price point and is the “tip of the spear” for Cadillac’s EV transition. If it doesn’t sell well right away, their future plans may be adjusted some.

    And then there’s Stellantis . . .

  19. Merv Peters Says:

    17 ditto, it looks like it means business

  20. Wim van Acker Says:

    @17, 19: that is what I thought, too. That is a sharp looking vehicle.


    18) I am awaiting the Lyriq also. It looks like they are making it a Cadillac first and foremost and not a “TESLA clone”. That is the correct position to take in my book and sales should follow by those who like what a Cadillac is. If they made a TESLA clone I would be completely uninterested. Just as I was uninterested in any of the numerous vehicles over the years that tried to be a BMW clone.

  22. XA351GT Says:

    14 Neither the Tacoma or Frontier are compact any more they are mid-size. I’m talking that they need to go back to TRUE small trucks at a reasonable price. I’ll be surprised if the other manufacturers will let Ford or Hyundai clean up that segment like they will with no competition. We all know they are monkey see ,monkey do.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Even the Maverick is not very compact, 200″ long, and 73″ wide, barely narrower than the current Taco. A 2nd generation S10 was only 68″ wide, and 189-204″ long, depending on configuration. You could even get an actual 7 foot+ bed in an S10.

  24. Sean Wagner Says:

    9 GM Vet – Just so regarding Volvo and Geely. Their hands-off approach fared a lot better than Ford’s, which did constantly mettle.

    Following these high-quality comments by people often far more knowledgeable than I is nice.

    All I can add is that at least here in Switzerland, Tesla’s prices have hardly budged since more than a year, if I remember correctly. (But then I think duties largely fell away ever since the cars have come from Shanghai… there’s a free trade agreement.)

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 I thought the name of the Toyota EV was pronounced “Busy Forks.”

    Wasn’t the Titan always worst-in-class in most ways? They should have saved the money they spent on the recent re-do.

  26. Lex Says:

    The Subaru Solterra is a far better looking EV than the Toyota BZ4X. To my eye they both have a very strong family resemblance to the current Toyota Rav4.

    The interior is too busy and the center console is far too wide. Get rid of the piano black and cheap cloth dash cover. There is also far too much black cladding on the front and rear bumpers and fenders.

    Tesla reminds me of the old boxy Volvo’s of the past. Simple and straightforward design with clean spacious interiors. Over the Air updates of all vehicle systems is another reason Tesla is way ahead of anyone else in the EV market.

  27. Bobby T Says:

    #17, when I read the description of the new Taycan version, my first thought was “They should have named it the Gerhart” lol.