AD #3240 – Kia Shares More Niro Details; Local Motors Goes Out of Business; Tesla Signs Graphite Deal

January 17th, 2022 at 11:54am

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Runtime: 8:11

0:08 GM Mexico Workers to Vote on New Union
0:57 Tesla Signs Graphite Deal
1:47 BP Says EV Charger Profitability Close to Gas Stations
2:53 Kia Shares More Niro Details
3:42 Local Motors Goes Out of Business
4:12 Electric Cooper SE Best Selling Vehicle in Mini’s Lineup
6:01 CATL Jumps into Battery Swapping Business
6:20 Chinese Startup Develops Autonomous Trucks with Swappable Batteries
6:44 Buick GL8 Avenir Now Available with Hands-Free Driving
7:25 NIO Offers 1st OTA Update Outside of China

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20 Comments to “AD #3240 – Kia Shares More Niro Details; Local Motors Goes Out of Business; Tesla Signs Graphite Deal”

  1. Drew Says:

    Please allow me to challenge the claim that the Silverado EV is a “clean sheet” design. Although it is not a derivative of the ICE Silverado, it is a derivative of the Hummer EV pickup… and as other people have commented, it is a better Avalanche replacement than a Silverado variant.

  2. GM Veteran Says:

    It sure seems like BP could buy their electricity at the commercial rate and then be able to provide EV charging at very competitive rates to the public while still making a nice margin.

  3. GM Veteran Says:

    As someone who has owned both an Avalanche and a Sierra pickup, in my opinion, the Avalanche was a far superior vehicle in most respects. It cost GM more to build, which ultimately spurred its demise once they were routinely offering CrewCab pickups with more optional content. Still, even at that point, the Avalanche had more to offer because of the way it was made.

    I am interested in the new Silverado EV because of its design. It could be what all Silverados eventually become.

  4. Druff Says:

    That the gas stations make more money on store purchases is precisely the reason I can’t understand why more stations aren’t putting in chargers. The customers will be at your location for at least 20-30 minutes. There is a new company building stations across the south with 150 fuel pumps and a huge store with food and other shopping. Not putting in the charging ports seams to me they are building for the past and not the future.

  5. Bill Says:

    #1. Drew you silly boy! The Ultium GM BT1 platform program is a clean sheet design which was planned from day 1 to underpin the Hummer and Silverado with more to come.

  6. DanaPointJohn Says:

    When I first saw Local Motors at SEMA, in 2014, it was interesting but I couldn’t see how they could produce in large enough scale to make a profit. Guess they couldn’t figure-out that one either.

  7. Robert Young Says:

    A comment on all the EV pickups, the weight is an underreported issue for those of us in California. We have a “weight fee” in California for anything with a pickup box. When you get much over 6000 lbs it can be the largest part of the already expensive California registration. Therefore, I hope my 2001 GMC 2500HD lives forever (or at least as long as I need a pickup),

  8. wmb Says:

    With the drug cartels being so strong in Mexico, i wonder how long it will be before they infiltrate organized labor and their unions, in that country, if they have not done so already?

    That is an interesting development, regarding BP and their charging stations. I had herd that there was not much money in sell fuel/gasoline and thought stations would go the way of the dinosaur if and when EVs took over sells from ICE vehicles! Yet, with companies transitioning from suppling gasoline to electricity, they are able to set their on prices for the convenience, as opposed to whatever scraps Big Oil leaves on the table!

  9. Merv Peters Says:

    great show to kick off the new autoline week,thanks

  10. JWH Says:

    Gas stations not making money on fuel sales is not a new phenomenon. My father has a service station in Arizona in the sixties that I worked at in high school. Breaking even on fuel sales was about as good as it got – Could be worse since the proprietor paid for the fuel when purchased & it was based on the selling price at that time. If pump price went down, you could lose money on each gallon. Since this was before the days of selling lottery tickets, beer, & groceries in service stations, we made money in the garage portion – Oil changes, tires, mechanical repairs, etc.

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    Seems to me that people just look at EV charging the wrong way. Its a completely different way to “fill up” than gas, so why they keep thinking of it in terms of a gas station that is beyond stupid. No I don’t want to spend 20-30 minutes in the local carry out. They need to be installing chargers where people already spend 30 min or more. So restaurants, Hotels, Parking garages and your employer will be the ones to provide a great charging opportunity.
    They should also be thinking wireless with plenty of charging spots so if your there for 4 hours and you recharged in an hour people aren’t waiting for you to move to use your spot. And your not required to stop what your doing to go unplug and move your car.

    Its certainly going to be a learning curve but anyone foolish enough to invest in a Charging station/carry out will likely be very disappointed. These are the types of things that will make or break owning an EV for many people. It needs to make their life easier not harder.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    Ideally my first EV will have enough autonomy that I can get out at the front entrance of say the mall, my car will go park at a charging pad. Once fully charged I’m billed thru an app on my phone and notified. Then it will go park itself elsewhere so another EV can use the charging pad. When I’m done shopping I summon my car via my phone and it picks me back up at the door. That’s when I’ll buy an EV.

  13. Ukendoit Says:

    re:11&12, I agree Lambo, and have thought the same thing about the charging infrastructure. Wireless pads and autonomy will be game changers, but we aren’t there yet; I do see that as the future. In addition to destinations offering charging, the “filling stations” will need to become more “destinations”. Even as charging times come down, the charging stations will need to have enough draw to make us want to spend a little time there, like a restaurant area, a comfortable area showing short entertaining videos, video games, a bar, something to entertain future generations.

  14. Ukendoit Says:

    In the meantime, until the wireless charging and autonomy are the norm, I could see pesky people bugging the person charging just like the phone chargers at work. People here are always asking, “Are you still using that?”… “What charge are you at?”… “Can I use that for a little while?”… Even if you own the charger!

  15. Bob Wilson Says:

    There is some Tesla buzz about ‘Green Hills Software’ and their New York Times ad, “The Dawn Project.” Unfortunately Green Hills is trying to build a b buisness criticizing Tesla Full Self Driving. But they do this by reviewing YouTube videos.

    A Full Self Driving beta (FSD) tester, I have hundreds of miles and hours driving three different versions of FSD in my hands. In contrast, Green Hills only has YouTube video views. So who might have a better understanding of FSD?

    The Green Hills YouTube claims are BS which raises questions about their other products and services.

  16. Sean Wagner Says:

    11 Lambo – Excellent posts, totally agree.

    In fact, I’m a bit mystified why Tesla hasn’t been pushing that limited but very useful level of autonomy more. Ideally combined with advanced wireless charging, or their “snake” robo-charger.

    The technology exists. Is there a first-mover disadvantage?

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11,13 Charging at restaurants is the thing that could possibly get me to buy an ev, without having home charging. Level 2 charging would be enough for a car I use most of the time.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Wireless charging, as it exists, would be an environmental disaster, like wireless phone charging, as it is about 40% less efficient than wired charging.

  19. Ukendoit Says:

    Supposedly, there have been lots of wireless EV charging trials in the UK since 2017, and Plugless Power is going to reveal their third generation wireless chargers for home/industrial use soon -available in 2022. Maybe this is something Autoline will cover when they release the details.
    Between this news, and Bob Wilson’s autonomy report, maybe they are closer than I thought.

  20. Bobby T Says:

    12, Lambo, I hope you live a looong time! 18, Kit, I agree that wireless charging is bad for the environment.