AD #3294 – Ford Sold Most +$50,000 Vehicles; Charge An EV Battery In Only 9 Seconds; EV Sales Explode In China

April 1st, 2022 at 11:55am

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Runtime: 10:11

0:07 EV Sales Explode in China
0:53 UPS Tests E-Bikes for Delivery
1:40 Ram Readies A Ford Maverick Competitor
2:19 Ford Sold Most +$50,000 Vehicles
3:11 Toyota Corolla GR Is A Monster
5:25 Toyota Strategy with Solid State Batteries
7:28 Tesla’s Charging Network Gets Even Bigger
8:18 Charge an EV Battery In Only 9 Seconds

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40 Comments to “AD #3294 – Ford Sold Most +$50,000 Vehicles; Charge An EV Battery In Only 9 Seconds; EV Sales Explode In China”

  1. Buzzerd Says:

    I think Tesla is very smart to have there own charging network since we know that subscription based businesses usually do very well. Gillette doesn’t make so much or very little money on the razor, the money is in the constant supply of the blades.

  2. Buzzerd Says:

    Toyota’s hot hatch, only Toyota could make such a hot car look so boring.

  3. REY Says:

    One of Teslas ” moat is its massive charging network and how simple it is to use, it just works , compared to EA, or any other systems.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like they are significantly upsizing the Toyota GR for the US market, because it is a Yaris with that same ~300 hp powertrain in the rest of the world. Still, it should be a fun car, but will probably be pricey.

    That Ram 1200 sounds more like a Hyundai Santa Cruz competitor, than a Maverick competitor, with no hybrid mentioned.

  5. Ron Paris Says:

    It would be interesting to know what kind of government incentives were in play last month in China to drive that kind of surge in EV sales. That’s still the only way to get any growth in that segment.

  6. Ron Paris Says:

    #4: Yaris GR sold elsewhere has less power than the US bound Corolla GR.

  7. Pat Maclou Says:

    Why are thieves not cutting and stealing all these copper filled charging cables from Tesla Charging Stations?

  8. Norm T Says:

    Funny, the Corolla Hatchback is on the Consumer Reports “do not buy” list. But one should look at a Hyu Dai or Mazda instead!

  9. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 Is that comment from experience or just repeating what John said for cheerleading purposes?

    Considering Ford sells so many trucks and most which are likely over 50K that’s not really so surprising. However if GMC Chevy and Cadillac were grouped together under just GM I bet they would be #1.

    2 Yep the Toyota is not very attractive beyond specs.

  10. George Ricci Says:

    Charge an EV battery in 9 seconds. This is far-out theory that seems overly optimistic and even if it partially works, it would be very dangerous, and is many years out from being a reality.

    Today, the fastest charging rate is 350 kWh at 800 volts from Electrify America connected to a Rivian, and the charging cable needs to be water cooled. To charge an EV battery in 9 seconds you would need thousands of volts and huge current flow. The cable and connectors would be so large that they would unpractical. Theories are great, but reality brings us back to earth.

  11. RS Says:

    @10 Agreed. But Autoline doesn’t just make this stuff up. I wonder if there are capacitors involved???

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    10 Maybe induction charging with a lighting bolt coming from the ground. :-)
    I was thinking the same thing. Even if the charging was split to each cell you still need to get massive amounts of power to the multiple feeds.

  13. Bob White Says:

    Ford is dying as a company. Worldwide volume is down over 50% in the last 5 years. They dropped to #8 last year with total production of only 3.9M. Now they’re stuck with fully loaded pick-ups/SUVs in a super tight market. Once the market opens up and the next recession hits, Ford is in the worst position of any OEMs especially considering their super high debt levels.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6 Yeah, I found that Yaris GR in Europa is 261 hp, so probably only about the same power/hp as the Corolla.

  15. WineGeek Says:

    It’s great news that Ford sold the most $50,000+ vehicles. The only problem with that is they are chasing away so many customers because the prices are so high. The average buyer can’t afford the vehicles Ford sells so once the market levels out there won’t be buyers for all the high price products at Ford. Remember Henry Ford made his millions and millions by making a car for the masses, his company now make cars for the elite. Henry must be rolling over in his grave.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Yep, Ford sells a lot of expensive trucks, but all of the former Detroit Three will be in trouble in depending so much on big trucks, as long as gas remains almost as expensive, in real terms, as it was in 2008.

  17. David Anderson Says:

    #10 & #11; Would they make things up on 4/1/22?

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Yep, pretty definitely related to 4/1/22. To charge in 9 seconds would require a charge rate of a few billion watts, and even if you could supply the power, the battery would instantly explode if charged at that rate.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Well, I exaggerated. A quick calculation finds the charge rate to be only 40 million watts for a 100 kWh battery. Still, it look completely relevant to 4/1/2022.

  20. Ukendoit Says:

    The quantum charging has been discussed in the Physics journals (American Physical Society peer review letters) for the past 5 years. It looks promising by using quantum physics and charging each cell at once instead of having the physical limitations listed above. They aren’t just giving the battery more juice and forcing the charge in there even faster.
    I was disappointed that we didn’t get any April Fools content from AD, and I thought this was at least one joke, but looking into the background of Quantum Charging, it is “real”, just not real yet.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 I’ll have to read about what quantum charging is, but wouldn’t it still take 100,000 amps at 400 volts, or 50,000 amps at 800 volts to do the charging?

  22. Ukendoit Says:

    On a quantum level, things get very different. The usual, simpler electrical equations we are all used to don’t equate the same once it gets down to quantum levels of waves and vibrations. The best (simplified) way it was explained to me is equating wires to guitar strings. On a physical level, the string has all the usual parameters of length, width, resistance, temperature, etc.
    Picture a microscopic string being plucked and not even being a solid. It will still have calculable values of vibration, energy, harmonics, but will differ at the quantum level from the limitations on a larger physical scale.
    I’m not going to pretend to understand how they would use this to charge full-sized solid objects like an automotive battery. Perhaps inducing a harmonic frequency correlating with the vibrations of the voltage line frequency?
    I guess I’m going to have to read more articles and find someone to explain it to me, but I’m optimistic that some people smarter than me are working towards that breakthrough. I’m sure it’s probably at least a decade away from a physical sample.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 I’m definitely going to need to read more about it.

  24. George Ricci Says:

    22.23.I going to place Quantum Physics in the same place I have Fusion Power, and a low-cost/efficient process to make Hydrogen. Nice idea, but I am not going to hold my breath waiting for it.

    Maybe, we should be talking to Mr. Q from Star Trek: The Next Generation!

  25. Warwick Dundas Says:

    I thought the April Fools Day story was the one about Stellantis planning a small pickup truck based on the Jeep Renegade.

    The Fiat Toro and Strada small pickups already exist in Brazil, but it seems desperate to try to sell them in North American market.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Probably an April 1 thing

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Any pickup will sell in the US. This one needs to be cheap to sell, though, not much over $20K. If they wanted to distinguish themselves from everyone else, they could sell a 2 door version with a 6 1/2 foot bed, rather than a 4 door, 4 or 4 1/2 foot bed like Santa Cruz and Maverick.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 Of what’s now in the market, or likely to come along soon, there seems little doubt that Maverick will dominate the unibody pickup market. The price is right, and they have the right powertrains. They are the only game in town with their hybrid, for those who care about gas mileage, and the Maverick’s 2 liter turbo gets better EPA gas mileage than the somewhat smaller Santa Cruz. The Ford’s turbo even does better than the non-turbo Hyundai in the FWD versions.

    Honda Ridgeline is much pricier than the Ford or Hyundai, so doesn’t really count.

  29. Bob Wilson Says:

    The “quantum entanglement” battery articles read like a Ponzi scheme. One claim is a 1 to 200 speed increase. There are many curious quantum effects but multiplication of ‘entanglement’ is not one of them … pairs YES but 1 to “n” hundreds or thousands is beyond credibility.

    If it worked, one could have 2, 4, 8, 16 … cell batteries and use the lower cell count batteries to transfer charge to the larger number of cell batteries and make as many megawatts of stored energy as desired.

  30. wmb Says:

    #13, 15, 16) All go points that you make, but there are a few things to keep in mind. While Ford many the OEM that sells the most vehicles above $50K, they are far and away not the only one that sell at or near that price point. Most of those are probably pick-ups, yet, with their twin turbo V6s, diesels and hybrids, they (along with other OEMs) are producing the most powerful and fuel efficient vehicles in their history! Where they have a vulnerability is, I don’t think the diesels and hybrids are on their full size SUVs, midsize pick-ups and CUVs, like the Edge and Nautilus. Adding a hybrid or two to the next gen Ranger, would give Ford a hybrid in a compact, midsize and full size pick-ups! With Ford and GM also having introduced plans to build BEV pick-up work trucks that start in the low $40K (whether someone will ever be able to find one is another story), would no doubt add to their bottom line.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 They have hybrid Escape and Explorer, but not Edge.

    I fail to see how the Ranger is “midsize” and the Maverick “compact,” though those terms are generally used. Yeah, the Ranger has a 6 inch longer bed than the Maverick, but the Maverick, while being a little, shorter, is 5 inches wider than the Ranger. The Ranger is much lighter, though, nearly 800 pounds.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 Sry, the Maverick is much lighter.

  33. wmb Says:

    #32/32.) Yes, but my point was that the Edge/Nautilus and the Expedition/Navigator are the only Ford CUV/SUVs that do not yet have hybrids. With crossovers being popular, if these four vehicles had hybrid versions, Ford would be in a very good position, relative to the current spike in gas prices!

    Regarding the CUV/Crossover based Ram, if that was not an April Fool joke, I have my doubts that Stellantis will follow through. They’ve promised a midsized Ram pick-up for years and even though they have the Jeep Gladiator as a bases, they have yet to pull the trigger! I would have more faith in such a vehicle to compete with the Maverick, if they said it was going to be a Jeep. As a Jeep it could/would cost more then the Maverick, not be as fuel efficient and still sell everyone they make! As a Jeep, it would not have to directly compete with the Maverick, but would have to be a more serious off-roader then the Santa Cruz. As a Ram, it would have to beat the Ford on price, utility and ingenuity (being a better looker wouldn’t hurt either)! While not insurmountable tasks, they would be large orders to fill. Yet, as a Jeep, there would be none of that ‘over head’ and expectation, along with a dedicated fan coming along for the ride, before a single vehicle is even built! So,…why would Ram want to make a CUV/Crossover based, four pick-up?

  34. wmb Says:

    #33.) *four door pick-up?

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 Yeah, if Ford had a hybrid Edge with equal, or near equal mpg to the Highlander hybrid, and 7 feet of flat floor, I would have considered it when I bought my Highlander hybrid. The Explorer hybrid was not competitive with the Highlander in mpg.

    If they sold the Fiat unibody pickup in the US, I doubt that they’d expect to nearly match Maverick sales numbers, but if they could make it legal to sell in the US without much modification, it might makes sense to sell if, even if the volume were only 50K/yr. Yeah, it would sell better as a Jeep than as a Ram, if they gave it a proper Jeep “look.” Jeep buyers tend to overlook crudity and bad gas mileage.

  36. wmb Says:

    #35.) If they were to graph a truck bed onto the current Renegade, IMHO, it could be enough for a lot of people to except as a Maverick/Santa Cruz competitor. They might even get those who are not Jeep fans to convert! The Renegade is a little smaller then the Escape/Bronco Sport donor platform for the Maverick, though. Again, as a Ram, I doubt that Stellantis would pull the trigger, but as a Jeep, they could follow the same recipe as that of the Gladiator! Buyers might even be willing to more for it, over the Maverick. If I’m not mistaken, Jeep already have a mild-hybrid for the engines they use in the Renegade and Compass, so outside of adding the bed, there is already a lot that the two vehicles would have in common, though not the same. We’ll have to see if Jeep/Ram/Stellantis is truly serious about what they could do, by making this into something they would do!

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    36 I suspect the Brazilian Ram 1200 is stretched from the Renegade, as the Maverick is stretched about 20 inches from the length of the Escape. I’m not familiar with a mild hybrid powertrain in Renegade and Compass, but other Chrysler mild hybrids’ mpg isn’t too great.

    They don’t need to “add a bed” to sell a smallish unibody pickup, since they already sell one in other markets, but they’d need to federalize it. If it’s sold in Europe, that should be easy, but South America, maybe not so much.

  38. Lambo2015 Says:

    Maybe another April fools day joke but I’m not sure because I had a friend at a recent Expo where a Tesla spokesperson made this same claim last week.
    Tesla to head toward Hydrogen by 2024. Oh how silly that will make those Tesla cheerleaders feel after all that Fool-cell comments. All the badmouthing of Toyotas direction just to see Tesla head in that direction.

  39. Lambo2015 Says:

    38 BTW the article claims 3 models an H a 2 and O (H2O) that have crazy acceleration claims. The high performance mode is Hindenburg mode.. So it sounds like an April fools Day joke but would have thought that would have been kept to Twitter and not part of a Expo presentation. Either way I wonder if it will make it to todays show.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38,39 Yep, definitely looks April Foolsy. The linked article starts out with:

    “Elon Musk shocked followers on Twitter early this morning with his announcement that, after many years of scepticism, he will be switching Tesla from batteries to hydrogen power in 2024.”

    There is nothing like that on Elon’s twitter, or the Tesla one, though it could have been there, and deleted.