AD #3297 – Chinese Refineries Shun Russian Oil; VW to Drop Models, Move Upscale; Mercedes Intros Electric Turbo

April 6th, 2022 at 11:50am

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Runtime: 9:20

0:07 Chinese Refineries Shun Russian Oil
0:50 Russian Assembly Plants Grind to a Halt
1:29 VW to Drop Models, Move Upscale
3:03 Mercedes Brings Out Electric Turbo
4:28 CATL Opens Battery Plant in Germany
4:57 NHTSA Investigates LG Batteries
5:33 AIWAYS Unveils EV Concept for Europe
6:32 Canoo Gets NASA Contract
7:13 Comau’s New Robot Line

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21 Comments to “AD #3297 – Chinese Refineries Shun Russian Oil; VW to Drop Models, Move Upscale; Mercedes Intros Electric Turbo”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I thought the Mercedes in-line six had used an electric turbocharger for a few years, but it must be a different thing from what the four will use. Maybe the six uses a separate electric supercharger with its turbo, rather than the two being combined.

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Is Mercedes’ electric turbo-charged engine defined turbo charged because it is in the exhaust stream; I would think it would be more correct to call it a supercharger because it doesn’t rely on exhaust gases. Perhaps a supercharged-turbo charger would work as well.

  3. GM Veteran Says:

    The VW R&D numbers should not be a surprise. As Autoline has mentioned a number of times, VW is a highly vertically integrated company. They need R&D budget for all of those vehicle brands, but also for the various components divisions, parts divisions, etc. GM’s R&D budget was significantly higher when it owned all of the entities that spun off as Delphi.

    In addition, VW has so many brands and so many models that they should have one of the highest R&D budgets for vehicles alone.

    One more thought on VW. If the brand is going to abandon the lower price classes in search of better profit margins, won’t they simply be competing even more with Audi than they do now? I also saw mention that Skoda is going to continue moving their products upscale. Maybe VW is reading their crystal ball and seeing they will not be able to compete with incoming Chinese brands on cost, especially in the lower price classes.

  4. George Ricci Says:

    Seems the management team at VW have forgotten the Phaeton fiasco.

  5. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 The M-B thing is kind of a turbocharger and supercharger in one item. It’s basically a turbo, but uses an electric motor to spool it up quickly.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3 The linked article sounded like VW plans to drop models from all brands, not just the VW brand. If they drop all of the lower end VWs, Skodas, and Seats, it would seem that they are just opening things up for Chinese companies to dominate the lower end of the market.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    This seems to be the constant problem in all business today. Everyone stock portfolio has to perform and bring in great numbers. So companies like VW that produce cars for the average person is forced to go after the higher profit up-scale models. That’s all fine a great for share holders but it really leaves a huge gap for entry level buyers.
    What all the automakers tend to forget is those entry buyers eventually become midlevel or the upper level customers. So if they have a great experience with their entry level car. Maybe its Chinese by the time they are ready for a more upscale car the Chinese will likely have what they need. The customer base will grow with their capabilities and soon all those high profit vehicles will be replaced with a Chinese luxury car. They will have gone after the quick buck today to cut their own throat down the road. I guess they figure they will have made their millions and be long gone before its their problem.

  8. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    I guess VW, GM, Ford, Toyota, Honda, Stellantis, Tesla etc all think everyone who is buying cars are looking to pay big bucks as they are all going upmarket and chasing a slice of a smaller pie. They are the ones who will cause the rise of the Chinese OEMs as formidable global auto companies. All the Chinese need to do is sell cars to fill the gaping hole that the traditional OEMs have decided to abandon. Just as the Japanese did and just as the South Koreans did once the Japanese decided to go upmarket. Good job short term thinking CEOs!

  9. Roger T Says:

    #4 – my thought exactly. VW dealers in my area are definitely not geared for lux

    Why is NASA looking at Canoo for this task? Wouldn’t it be simpler to ask for a free Ford Explorer, or a Mitsubishi Eclipse, or a Polestar 1, or a Ford Galaxy, or a Vauxhall Astra, or a Nissan Pulsar, or a Lightyear One. Bet they’d get any of these for free. And thanks to whatcar.com for the list of cars with space themed names :)

  10. Albemarle Says:

    This low cost car problem will be with is until the market says ‘no more’. Complaining but still buying won’t do it.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 NASA wants something to carry 8 bulkilly dressed people a couple miles. A Transit van with four rows of seats would work, but they always want vehicles with a special “look” for such things.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    Doesn’t seem like $150k is enough for a one off vehicle. I doubt that anyone at Canoo is thinking this contract is going to save the company. In fact its probably a loosing proposition financially, so must be for publicity purposes only. Hope they stay in business long enough to deliver.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 That’s what I was thinking. It’s going to be very much a one off, and may not get built. They should probably just get a limo company to stretch and refit a Tesla Model Y, or something like that.

  14. Doug Says:

    Any car company should pursue good margin. VW should challenge their engineers to build quality, lower cost cars that produce good margin. Apply some of the Tesla thought to sub-$30,000 cars. Buyers of less costly cars may be in the market for a better equipped vehicles in the future like Audi. VW’s move upscale opens the door to Chinese imports. The Chinese could move upscale in the future. Then where will VW be?

  15. Doug Says:

    Any car company should pursue good margin. VW should challenge their engineers to build quality, lower cost cars that produce good margin. Apply some of the Tesla thought to sub-$30,000 cars. Buyers of less costly cars may be in the market for a better equipped vehicles in the future like Audi. VW’s move upscale opens the door to Chinese imports. The Chinese could move upscale in the future. Then where will VW be?

  16. Joe G Says:

    7,8 – Very well said. It is like the auto company executives (like politicians) become so far removed from reaity. Ford cancelled the lower cost sedans, and after clamoring from their dealers for an entry level vehicle the Maverick was developed. A huge hit, but they only anticipated 20% hybrid interest and it is more like a 50% take rate, thus causing a delay in fulfilling orders due to supply issues.

  17. XA351GT Says:

    At least in the US market Volkswagen needs to stay a economy brand or what is it’s point ? They already have Audi which is a luxury brand, Porsche which is a sports luxury brand . VW has always been the place to go to get affordable German engineering. With already having Mercedes ,BMW Audi and Porsche as mentioned it would no where to go to get a affordable German car and I don’t think they’d easily shake off the stigma of being a economy brand to those that want a luxury German car. As someone mentioned the Phaeton comes to mind as a major blunder. All they need to do is look at Hyundai and Genesis. It has taken years for the opinion that a Genesis is just a gussied up Hyundai and not worth the asking price to some what change.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    16 oh and dealers are charging waaaaay over sticker for the ones they have. I looked on Autotrader and there are some being listed at 50K for a 20K entry level price. They never learn.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 I’m surprised Ford didn’t anticipate big demand for the Maverick hybrid, because the hybrid powertrain is the huge advantage Maverick has over all of the competition. It will get nearly twice the city mileage of the others, and a little better highway mileage. Maverick also has a low starting price, but that goes up $2255 if you want cruise control. Still, the Maverick is a bargain, as pickup trucks go.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 Dealers that charge over sticker will make some extra money in the short term, but will lose customers for life. I’ve been treated fairly for years by a certain Chevy dealer, so I not only buy cars there, but recommend them. If they’d even tried to charge over sticker for my ordered Corvette, I would look elsewhere.

  21. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    20) Agreed. They are thinking short term for sure. However, I think that the OEMs are also incentivizing them to think short term. With every discussion about getting rid of dealers and selling direct to consumer, why not get the cash while you can? That is why threats from the OEMs over this practice ring a bit hollow to the dealers. If the intention is to get rid of dealers, might as well soak every dollar out of current sales while you can.