AD #3298 – Test Drive Opinions: Hummer EV; The Chevy Bolt Is Back! (Finally); Porsche Invests In eFuels

April 7th, 2022 at 11:55am

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Runtime: 12:17

0:08 The Bolt Is Back! (Finally)
0:51 Toyota Runs Out of EV Credits
1:23 Manheim Tests EV Batteries
2:15 Biden Admin Meets with Auto Execs
3:50 Porsche Invests in eFuels
4:43 Civic Type R Sets Suzuka Lap Record
5:19 Bronco Raptor Gets New Digital Cluster
6:25 Test Drive Opinions: Hummer EV

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31 Comments to “AD #3298 – Test Drive Opinions: Hummer EV; The Chevy Bolt Is Back! (Finally); Porsche Invests In eFuels”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    So GM is proving my point that the Government EV incentive was just a bonus profit for the manufacturer. They lost the government incentive and can magically drop the price of the Bolt $3,000-5,000.
    Glad our tax dollars that posed as incentives to help buyers really just padded the bottom line of the manufacturers.


    The battery efficiency is likely due to the immense weight of the Hummer. 9000 pounds is a lot of mass to move compared to say a Model S with half the mass. Takes a lot of power to move 9000 pounds of dry weight. I thought the Model S with the weight of a full size pick up truck was a portly fellow. Along comes the Hummer to blow right on by that go deep into the super obese category.

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m sure the Hummer EV does just fine in crash tests into a wall or other stationary objects. What I would like to see, is use another vehicle like the Civic type R in your other story and lets see how they fair crashing into each other. 9000lbs is ridiculous and anyone that understands mass in motion (inertia) will know those in the Civic will not fair well.

  4. Stu Says:

    9000 pounds!?!? No wonder the Hummer has such poor efficiency. That’s almost 3 times what my Golf weighs, and double a Model Y. SUVs are terrible to drive in general, but I can’t imagine trying to pilot that monstrosity, regardless of the fancy steering.

  5. George Ricci Says:

    The Hummer is designed for the customer that wants to say mine is BIGGER, BADDER, and FASTER than yours!


    3) That curb weight really is ridiculous. The Ford F550 curb weight is 8000 pounds. The F550 requires a CDL to pilot. But sure, we can put a heavier vehicle that accelerates quicker in the hands of the general public. The general public has no clue how to handle both massive weight vehicles nor how to handle super fast vehicles. Last I looked that was not covered on any drivers training classes when these people were teenagers. Not a great time to be someone driving a Chevrolet Spark.

  7. Fensterlips Says:

    I find it fascinating that GM is able to conjure up a great driving experience for the Hummer.
    Is this new to them? It seems that way. Aside from a few new Cadillacs a “great driving experience “ seemed to be a foreign concept to GM

  8. Stu Says:

    3 – take a look at how a passenger car fares against a heavy truck and you won’t far off. A bobtail Volvo day cab weighs about 9600 and would destroy a Civic without missing a beat.

  9. George Ricci Says:

    1.With the cost of raw materials to make batteries more than doubling in the last year, GM is probably losing money on every Bolt. So why reduce the price? GM needs the ZEV credits from every EV they sell to offsite the ICE vehicles they sell.

    A ZEV credit was estimated to be worth $3,300, which placed a value of $2.1 billion on Tesla’s current ZEV credit balance in California alone.

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    6 Good point and something I see every winter those folks with 4WD do get great traction to get going in the snow and ice. However 4WD does nothing for stopping. I cant imagine trying to stop 9000lbs on ice. Just pray your not in its path.

  11. Norm T Says:

    Don’t demise the old 6,000 Hummer H2!

  12. Norm T Says:

    GM Bolt costs vs Tesla/Toyota Prius.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    9 Yes GM might be losing money on each Bolt for the purpose of gaining ZEV credits. However those ZEV credits have had a value that no doubt was factored into the price of the Bolt, regardless of the tax incentive. My point was someone looked at those numbers and decided it made sense to drop the price 3-5K to retain sales numbers.
    Which tells me there is a price with margin or at a loss that GM has determined each Bolt sales is worth to them including the ZEV credit. However when tax credits go away to the consumer the price just drops while battery materials go up. Tells me the tax incentive is a cushion to manufacture EVs. Not just for the consumer.

  14. XA351GT Says:

    If Autoline is correct in their thoughts that the meeting was to put pressure on Tesla to share their charging stations with the others . I hope Musk told them to stick where the sun doesn’t shine. Tesla spent the money to set up install their charging infrastructure and unless they charge the hell out of the others they should be able to keep it exclusive to themselves. This probably a big reason tesla showed little to no profit at first spending the money to design and install all their chargers , why the hell should they share or give anything to the others. Another example of this administrations hard left turn to socialism.

  15. XA351GT Says:

    so in true Hummer tradition does it get 6 miles to the charge ?

  16. Buzzerd Says:

    If standardizing a plug is now socialism then I guess the entire world is such. Let’s keep the rhetoric to a dull roar please.

  17. ArtG Says:

    I just plugged my phone into its socialistic USB charger.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    16 I don’t think it was the standardizing of charging plugs that XA351GT was referring to. It was the huge expense Tesla has foregone to provide a charging network that is partially why Tesla is way ahead of the competition. A huge expense that our government didn’t seem to be interested in providing. Putting pressure on them to allow other to now use that network could be viewed a socialism and far from rhetoric.

  19. Albemarle Says:

    You couldn’t use the Hummer around here with spring time road weight limits.

    Interesting to watch someone take it ice fishing. It could be an expensive dip.

  20. Albemarle Says:

    Using amortization formulas, it’s easy to show whatever the manufacturer wants to show about profitability. After 5 years GM has written off all the R&D and fixtures to make the Bolt. They are making a profit on them because they haven’t changed.

    I read that Tesla was originally part of the CCS working group but I believe left in frustration.

    When Tesla started shipping to Europe, European governments had already specified one plug design, so all cars use the same plug there.

    Standardization here at this point is going to be more expensive and somebody (us taxpayers) are going to foot the bill. Should have been done 15 years ago.

    Personally, I don’t see it as a communist plot.

  21. Ziggy Says:

    14,18 So how is this any different than the government making AT&T share their telephone lines across the country with all the new start up phone companies back in the 1980s? Just history repeating itself, and back then it was under a Republican administration, the so-called party of big business and good old Saint Ronnie. Or are you too young to remember such times?

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 GM has a number of cars that provide a great driving experience. I have one, a C8 Corvette. Camaros also drive very well, as do both Cadillac sedans, even in their most basic, non-V versions.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 It would be a good deal for Tesla to share charging stations, up to a point. There are 8 “superchargers” in Kokomo, Indiana, and I’ve never seen more than one in use at a time. It would make Tesla money to sell expensive electricity to drivers of other cars. They certainly wouldn’t want to “share,” though, if it resulted in Tesla owners having to wait in line to charge their cars.

  24. Bob Wilson Says:

    Was Electrify America, ChargePoint, and EVgo at the meeting? Were there anyone from the ‘standards’ societies there?

    No mention of non-Tesla chargers means the EV makers need to take ownership of their non-Tesla providers. The ‘standards’ committees really screwed up both J1772 and CCS-1. For example, J1772 is similar in shape but does not have a credible, fast DC charging capability that the Tesla does.

    Fix J1772 and the rest will follow. As for that Frankenpulg, CCS-1, the sooner it dies the better. It is a horrible design.

  25. Warwick Dundas Says:

    Sean. You did not need to tell us you enjoyed the Hummer launch test. The look on your face said it all.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The new Hummer, like the H1 and H2, is a disgusting hazard to other road users, but GM’s selling it won’t keep me from buying other GM products that are more appealing to me. Maybe someone else sells something as disgusting as a “personal use” vehicle. I guess I can’t think of it, though.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If I ever have an EV, I will probably charge it mostly with those “socialist” 120 and 240 volt outlets that are used universally in the US.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    The Cyber Rodeo video (see link) is long yet seldom boring.

  29. wmb Says:

    Regarding the EV charging network, didnt the government require that all cell phones and electric devices, have the same plug port type?! While it might be expensive for Tesla to change, they are just going to add it to the price to use there charges, right? The more folks that use their network, the more it covers their costs and an additional revenue stream for them! They instantly become not just the biggest name in BEVs, but also in universal charging network. How is that a problem for them?!

    Regarding the Hummer, as impressive as the vehicle is, what interesting to me is what that will mean for the Chevy versions (remember this Hummer is NOT a pick-up, it’s an SUV with the rear storage area cut off and extended!). The Silverado WT will probably not have all the batteries that the H1 have and there for not as much weight. If they could reduce the weight by a third or half and still get close to 300 miles of range, I can see why GM is so proud of their new electric architecture.

  30. Lambo2015 Says:

    21 Because AT&T basically held a monopoly on the phone lines from 1885 to 1982 and it only changed because of Cable TV and other companies wanted to use the poles for delivering Cable lines which could also later provide phone service. Don’t get me wrong I’m all for a standardized plug and if the rest of the auto industry adopts something different than Tesla it creates redundancy and the need for even more charging stations. However I also feel that Tesla shouldn’t be forced into sharing its charging network. As many pointed out, it could be very lucrative to Tesla as I also see many charging stations not being used.
    My question would be how smart are these charging stations? Not everything can be charged at the same rate and voltage. So if for any reason there is a fire during charging is it the vehicle manufacturers fault or owner of the charging station? Which is why I could see Elon being reluctant to share his chargers.

  31. Lambo2015 Says:

    26 I’m with you. I’m not a fan of the Hummer EV but that doesn’t turn me off to GM.
    Its just quite funny how the EV market has changed in such a short time.
    1)EVs first started as gas alternatives econ-box great for the environment.
    2)manufacturers soon learned consumers wont pay 50K for an Econo box and Tesla lauched the model S.
    3)Everyone took note that an EV can be normal sized Sedan and sports car quick.
    4) Sedans were falling out of favor as larger EV sedans were being launched so they still didn’t sell well.
    5) Then they realized trucks and SUVs had the margin room to make an EV in a similar price range and package a battery easier.
    6) So here we are with 6-9k lb EVs that are really nothing about the saving the environment other than lowering carbon emissions. Far from small, light, economical, or cheap to build.
    7) Now a shortage of raw materials to make batteries will likely keep them from being cost competitive. So we will have a bunch of very large heavy and expensive EVs that most consumers cannot afford. And they’ll wonder why EVs are just not taking off like in China.