AD #3333 – GM Customer Accounts Hacked; Laid Off Coal Workers to Make Batteries; OEMs Going Vegan

May 26th, 2022 at 11:47am

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Runtime: 10:26

0:07 GM Customer Accounts Hacked
0:59 Laid Off Coal Workers to Make Batteries
1:48 OEMs Going Vegan
4:12 Maserati MC20 Cielo Revealed
5:21 Land Rover Shows Defender 130
5:52 Durango Gets HEMI Orange Package
7:13 Stellantis Fined for Diesel Cheating
7:43 Ford & Tesla Lead the Recall Parade
8:34 Ford Pairs Co-Bot with Disabled Worker

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31 Comments to “AD #3333 – GM Customer Accounts Hacked; Laid Off Coal Workers to Make Batteries; OEMs Going Vegan”

  1. GM Veteran Says:

    Since Tesla likes to use its owners as final product development drivers, I am not the least bit surprised that they came in 2nd on the list of brand issuing recalls. The only surprising thing is that they didn’t come in at #1.

  2. GM Veteran Says:

    On the vegan issue, Sean, where does the leather come from in the vehicles I buy? I always assumed that it came from cattle being slaughtered for meat, so at least the hide was not going to waste, but maybe that is not correct. Any Autoline Insights would be welcome!

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Are animals being killed for leather? I figured enough were being killed for steaks and hamburgers that there would be a plentiful supply of hides for car seats, without killing cattle for their hides.

    Still, today’s vinyl seats, whatever the trade name, seem to be pretty good, and not get brittle and crack in a couple years like the vinyl of the ’60s and ’70s. The vinyl seats in my 9 year old Mini were in perfect condition when I sold it. Also, as the show mentioned, vinyl is much better than leather for or other light colored seats or other items, because it can be easily cleaned.


    2) That is where it comes from. Everything from a cow is used. There is very little waste when a cow is slaughtered for food. The vegan option will increase waste. At least it is biodegradable waste.

    Not utilizing the hide will increase the cost of food as there would no longer be the subsidy from the sale of the hide. The law of unintended consequences is always at play. Especially with feel good policy set by people that don’t understand where things come from.

  5. Norm T Says:

    Land Rover must be feeling squeezed with these Cadillac Escalades pushing 6-digits.

    The Cadillac Escalade and Escalade ESV full-size SUVs were GM’s highest-priced models at $108,316 and $110,832, respectively, Cox data showed. The Chevrolet Suburban and Chevrolet Tahoe full-sized SUVs had higher ATPs at $70,681 and $67,563, respectively. The Chevrolet Trax is the lowest price GM vehicle at $25,433.

    GM’s full-size pickups saw strong pricing. The GMC Sierra average transaction price rose to $64,578 and the Chevrolet Silverado to $54,377, Cox said. Freepress

  6. Gene Polan Says:

    Hide – the Cow’s Outside!
    As long as I stay inside I’m safe from the cow, right?

    Now you can have your car and eat it, too!

  7. Albemarle Says:

    Leather for car seats are not from animals slaughtered for their hide. The cattle would die or be killed in any case; it’s good to use as much of the animal as possible.

    Personally, I like the idea of moving away from leather as the only premium option. Cloth can be very comfortable and premium.

    I have a bias against using the word ‘vegan’ for all material that’s not leather. Most of these alternatives are based on plastics from the petrochemical industry. So it’s bad to skin an already dead animal but ok to support the number one industry that’s destroying everything on the planet, including cattle? That’ll be my rant for this week.

  8. Albemarle Says:

    I am looking forward learning the name of the token Stellantis executive who will spend time in a U.S. jail for the diesel scandal.

  9. Stu Says:

    4 I agree with you, but the vegan answer to your point is that there shouldn’t be any animals slaughtered at all, especially not for food.

    Personally, I am concerned about the longevity of these new materials in the ecosystem. We’re just now starting to understand what all of the plastics we use are doing to the planet and our bodies, and increasing their use is starting to look like a bad move in the long run.

  10. DanaPointJohn Says:

    #8.But, I don’t like barbecued tofu!

  11. ChuckGrenci Says:

    2,3,4,6,8 Yeah, the vegan’s argument is mostly moot; but on the darker side would be extra plastic being produced to nullify the leather that was originally slated for production.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    So customers what the return of rich Corinthian leather? Otherwise known as Pleathera. Todays vinyl’s are pretty nice and can be as soft and almost mistaken for leather. Do I care if its textured like leather? Nope. However I do like the idea of expanding the texture designs beyond the traditional mocking of leather.
    I remember my parents 1972 Impala station wagon with black vinyl seats and even after 7 years with 4 boys crawling around the seats looked like new. I don’t think they were as soft to the touch as stuff today but the durability was there.

  13. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sean it would interesting to see who leads the recall list in terms safety related issues. A recall to fix a window switch vs the one you covered yesterday like exploding seatbelt retractors are hugely different. Just as a software repair that can be done via OTA vs having to bring the vehicle in are in my opinion vastly different when it comes to customer satisfaction.

  14. XA351GT Says:

    This vegan interior thing is interesting , because I’m pretty sure animals aren’t being slaughtered soley for providing leather for interiors . pretty sure that it using what is leftover from food processing , but hey if throwing it away makes someone feel better about themselves great. because as long as we still eat beef there will always be leather hides . If a animal is sacrificed for food at least do the right thing and use every part of it.

  15. XA351GT Says:

    Also another note on the non use of leather , What is vinyl made from ? Petrochemicals, then what the eco-warriors come roaring in about the use of oil. If we worry about all these fringe -unhinged groups I hope everyone will happy in the ultra luxury vehicle sporting burlap bags for seat covers. It gets ridiculous.

  16. Albemarle Says:

    When I think about vinyl seats it takes me back to when I was a kid in shorts in the summer. First you have the pain of getting into the hot car and sitting on the seat, followed by the pain of trying to unstick your legs and move them. I don’t miss this.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 I like cloth seats, and have them in my Highlander LE, the lowest trim level hybrid.

    12 It sounds like they used much better vinyl in 1972 Impala wagons than in 1981 Citations. The blue vinyl driver’s seat in a friend’s Citation was badly cracked withing a couple years, and less than 30K miles. The black cloth in my Citation did much better.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 Yep, another way that cloth is better than either vinyl or leather. Also, cloth is less cold in the winter.

    As far as the environmental aspects, is leather using “byproduct” hides any better than pleather from petroleum, given the many processes and chemicals used to process leather? I don’t know.

  19. Lambo2015 Says:

    18 I like cloth too but a nice vinyl could be good for the truck which we use to pull the boat. So thoughts of people getting in with wet swim suits or even wet towels the vinyl would fair better than leather and dry quicker than cloth. Not a super high priority though.

  20. art Says:

    13.NHTSA recalls are only related to safety issues: “A recall is issued when a manufacturer or NHTSA determines that a vehicle, equipment, car seat, or tire creates an unreasonable safety risk or fails to meet minimum safety standards.”

    Not to be confused with customer satisfaction campaigns, etc.

  21. JR Says:

    @20. I didn’t read the Wall Street Journal article, but I don’t see any info to suggest the recall count was only NHTSA. The EPA and CARB can also mandate recalls. And in most cases, I see the customer satisfaction recalls lumped in a well. Most media reports cover any big recall, safety or otherwise.

  22. JR Says:

    I prefer cloth too, and was pleased when OEMs finally realized that seat heaters are nice with cloth as well. I have installed aftermarket heaters in several cars because the OEMs wouldn’t allow that combination.

    And although I still prefer cloth, I did ride in a Mercedes taxi in Germany with some really nice fake leather. Way better than the vinyl of the old days.

  23. merv Says:

    very interesting show today,and great having Michigan onboard

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like cloth best in black, in case I might get oil or similar on it that would be hard to remove completely, and would show on a lighter color.

  25. Albemarle Says:

    19. I had a Toyota FJ Cruiser with very comfortable & rugged cloth seats that were waterproof. I imagine they had a plastic layer above the foam. Lots of wet grandchildren and no problems. so it’s possible.

  26. Kevin A Says:

    Just a reminder. PVC and all other plastics use lighter hydrocarbons as plasticizers, to get a more rubbery fell. PVC is quite brittle without the plasticizer. Because the plasticizer is lighter, it slowly evaporates over time, at higher temps or if in direct sunlight. In the old days, this led to vinyl on dashboards cracking on almost every older car. New plasticizers have delayed the onset of the problem. Personally, I like cloth, but I would take leather over PVC, just so I would not have to inhale the plasticizers!

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 The thing that comes to mind when I hear PVC is hard plastic, mainly water and sewer pipe. If used for car seats, there must be a lot of plasticizer. Whatever the “leatherette” seats in my 2010 Mini were, they stayed soft for 9 years, I wonder they were PVC with plasticizer that “stayed around” really well, or something else.

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    27 I haven’t experienced any that I know of but I keep hearing how hemp is an amazing material for things like seats so I wonder if they are using that and just keeping quiet due to the negativity around it or its just not being used much.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    28 Hemp should be good for making very durable cloth seats.

  30. Kate McLeod Says:

    I never understood leather anyway. It stick to your skin when you wear shorts. A beautiful fabric interior has always been a preference of mine for that reason.

  31. JWH Says:

    Just to be different – I’m a leather interior fan. I find it not as hot or cold as vinyl & easy to keep clean.

    To each their own – All have a good holiday weekend.