AD #3346 – Tesla Autopilot More Dangerous Than Others; Gas Headed To $6/Gallon; Another Massive Recall At Ford

June 15th, 2022 at 11:53am

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Runtime: 9:28

0:08 Gas Headed To $6/Gallon
0:58 Lithium Prices to Drop. Or Not.
1:48 Another Massive Recall at Ford
2:31 Mustang Mach-E Recalled
3:48 Citroen Ami Ready for The Beach
4:13 Audi Designs Electric Rickshaw for India
5:02 Lynk & Co Drops Clay Models
6:45 Ford Puma Seats Get Blessing of Spinal Experts
7:20 Robo Chargers for EVs
7:57 Tesla Autopilot More Dangerous Than Others

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30 Comments to “AD #3346 – Tesla Autopilot More Dangerous Than Others; Gas Headed To $6/Gallon; Another Massive Recall At Ford”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Does anyone know why the 2.7 turbo engines in Broncos are blowing up? They’ve been using them in pickups and other vehicles for years, with decent reliability, as far as I know.

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    “Gas heading to $6 a gallon”; anyone see any shortages? No rationing, no lines, just high prices. I can see some higher prices but over double in less than three years has a certain ‘taint’ to it.

    1, Guess on what’s up with the 2.7 Bronco; maybe assembly line procedure dictates an incorrect sequence (of some sort). But that’s pure conjecture on my part.

  3. Dean Romanski Says:

    I read there may have been a supplier issue with Valves for to 2.7 ecoboost engines. Although it is the same engine as the F150 2.7 they my have been batched with a slightly different option for the Bronco and it is an unfortunate coincidence for Bornco oweners.

  4. Dean Romanski Says:

    I read there may have been a supplier issue with Valves for to 2.7 ecoboost engines. Although it is the same engine as the F150 2.7 they my have been batched with a slightly different option for the Bronco and it is an unfortunate coincidence for Bornco oweners.

  5. GM Veteran Says:

    I guess getting rid of Hinrichs was not the solution to Ford’s quality issues. They need to form a rollaway team to kill this issue once and for all. This seems like one of those 3 cent savings issues that ends up costing hundreds of millions of dollars in recalls later. When will they learn?

  6. Wim van Acker Says:

    Lynk & Co: Sean, I was in Amsterdam two weeks ago and saw quite a few of those. At the airport parking I saw a nice vehicle what looked to me like a Lamborghini Urus so I walked up to it to check it out. It actually was a Lynk & Co and I was told that Lynk & Co has a low price point and is selling well in the Netherlands.

  7. GM Veteran Says:

    I am not surprised that Lynk & Co did not use a clay model for a concept car. Since it won’t be produced, it doesn’t seem necessary. Your headline says they are dropping clay models. But the story did not address that. So, did they announce that they will no longer use clay models in developing future production vehicles? This is confusing.

  8. GM Veteran Says:

    Sean, on the Tesla Autopilot story, are the Tesla Autopilot data being compared to other automaker’s autonomous driving technology or just all other automobiles? The story doesn’t state it one way or the other. I would not be surprised at all if Tesla’s system did not work as safely as the systems of other automakers. However, it would be really shocking if Autopilot cars had more crashes per 100,000 miles than ordinary cars from other makers!

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    The whole Ziggy robocharger concept seems like a great solution for parking garages. Especially when people want to leave their car for more than a day, like at an airport. And, it should eliminate the issue of non-EVs parking in or blocking EV charging spots. What a clever idea!

  10. motorman Says:

    ford is rushing to be first in EVs and it is hurting the whole companies quality

  11. Lambo2015 Says:

    People still need to go to work, school get groceries and such so yea why would they expect traffic to go down? Maybe view weekend or holiday congestion and see if its dropped. We are at the mercy of gas prices to go where we need to go. Until we all switch to electric and then we will be at the mercy of your electric company and whatever they want to charge.

  12. Lambo2015 Says:

    So expect a few heads to roll in the quality department at Ford. They had better get a handle on things quickly.

    That Ziggy charger is just the kind of thing that will help to improve charging flexibility and make EV ownership easier. I like the idea because it doesn’t require designated spots that might not get used in an otherwise packed parking garage. Avoids the problem of non EVs parking in a charging spot and doesn’t give EVs premium parking like handicap spots. Could also help with folks towing trailers.
    However I have seen enough videos of people leaving gas pumps with the nozzle still in the filler so hopefully no one tries to leave the parking garage with a portable charger attached.

  13. GM Veteran Says:

    #11 The good news, at least in Michigan and many other states, is that our electric companies are utilities that are regulated by the state. Price increases have to be applied for by the companies and approved by the state regulatory board. Our prices for natural gas and electricity do not fluctuate the way gasoline prices do. That predictability will be appealing to many consumers.

    All bets are off in Texas.

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    1 Sounds like a combination of two problems for the Bronco Engines. Valves and oil pan design.
    https://fordauthority.com/2022/06/ford-bronco-2-7l-v6-ecoboost-engine-failures-explained-exclusive/

  15. Bob Wilson Says:

    About Tesla Autopilot, “NHTSA will release its data any day now.” I will have an opinion once the NHTSA releases its data any day now.

    Jumping the gun using a rumor report is never a good journalistic practice.

  16. motorman Says:

    #2 the oil companies are getting us ready for $4 a gallon gas permanently by putting it up o $6 the drivers will be happy it is back down to $4

  17. XA351GT Says:

    and what is the reason $140 a barrel oil? Is someone holding back production? Everyone wants to use the excuse that well Europe has even higher gas prices than we do. So what? Because they are willing or forced to pay that why should we accept it ? They also have a lot of social programs that maybe being funded from tax on fuel that we don’t get. Compare apples to apples. What we should ask is why do some states pay way more for fuel than others that isn’t tax related.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    people are still driving because many of us have to work regardless of prices. many of us can’t work from home. After being under house arrest for almost 2 years many people are like hell with it I’m going on vacation no matter what even if it means eating Ramen noodles all month or not paying the utilities. At some point if this continues people will run out their credit limits and will only be able afford the gas to get to work to buy more gas. It now costs me $10 a day to get to and from work. from 2017-2020 it cost me between $4.50 and $6.00 a day.So this is costing me over a grand more just to be able to work. Some have it much worse than that.

  19. Sean McElroy Says:

    @GM Veteran – It’s comparing Level 2 ADAS crashes amongst all automakers.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Interesting. I wonder if the “sucking air” is mainly people doing hard core off roading with the Broncos?

    19 Thanks, Sean. That’s what I suspected, but good to have it confirmed.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 The non-tax related difference in gas prices among US states are largely related to proximity to oil supplies and refineries. In addition to distance, those big hills make it a lot more expensive to get gas from Texas to Oregon, than to Kansas.

  22. Joe G Says:

    I thought gas prices in Europe were previously at the price point we are at now. I would be interested to see how their 8.00 per gallon compares as a percentage increase to the price in the US. I have a feeling there are political pressures and planned ‘blunders’ over the last 1 1/2 year to account for many of our troubles.

  23. GM Veteran Says:

    #19 Thanks Sean! That makes the most sense. And still, Tesla (Musk) insists their system is best and doesn’t need lidar. Its unfortunate for the innocent people that have been injured or killed because they have irresponsibly under-engineered the Autopilot system.

    It is surprising to me that NHTSA allowed any manufacturer to sell a vehicle equipped with an autonomous driving system lower than Level 4. A human/computer hybrid system is a really bad concept when people’s lives are at stake.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    22 Gas taxes in Europe are $4+/gallon, while average tax in the US is ~$0.55/gallon. Therefore, the percentage pump price increase in the US is much higher, but the dollars/Euros per gallon/liter increase is similar.

  25. Bob Wilson Says:

    The web link is to the NHTSA announcement of “NHTSA Releases Initial Data on Safety Performance of Advanced Vehicle Technologies.” It has links to the original reports.

    Let’s read them before making uninformed comments. BTW, I have about 69,000 miles on my AutoPilot equipped Tesla Model 3 that makes driving much, much easier.

  26. Sean Wagner Says:

    The Lynk & Co 01 was the Netherland’s 4th/5th best-selling vehicle in April/May. I was pretty astonished when I saw that a while ago.

    For anyone wanting to work off good and relevant data with regards to US and world energy,

    http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/

    should be indispensable. Ideally visit regularly. I’ve been going there for years. One example:

    http://www.eia DOT gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46657

    I have to think there are still better solutions for charging EVs. Wireless efficiency is improving. While CA passed one million EVs sold in February.

  27. Bob Wilson Says:

    About AutoPilot, Autoline should retract “More Dangerous” because NHTSA DOT HS 813 325, June 2022 clearly sates “. . . the Summary Incident Report Data should not be assumed to be statistically representative of all crashes.”

    This is because some manufacturers do not automate and include telemetry of crash data. Many inferior systems may fail to report a crash.

    In the report, “. . . it is feasible that some Level 2 ADAS-equipped vehicle crashes are not included in the Summary Incident Report Data because the reporting entity was not aware of them.” In engineering (and quality reporting,) garbage in means garbage out.

    The web link is to DOT HS 813 325, NHTSA, June 2022.

  28. Bob Wilson Says:

    It would be accurate to state ‘Tesla automated telemetry reports more crashes than those without out automation or fewer cars.’ As DOT HS 813 325 clearly states it is wrong to infer a rate, much less a “Dangerous” rate of crashes. If a crash is not reported, it still occurred but manually may not be counted.

    Worse, we have no metrics on how many cars are actually using or have an Advanced Driver Assistance Systems (ADAS.) Several manufacturers like GM and Toyota have had policies that ONLY top trim, expensive models can get an ADAS. In contrast, Tesla makes AutoPilot standard on all models with telemetry and automated backup.

  29. joe Says:

    Why is it Tesla seems to get away with so many safety problems whereas many other auto companies would not? Tesla got big through lies and the manipulation 0f the market. Technology wise, they had nothing over GM. GM was first with an EV and they decided to play it safe and wait later to corner the market which I think they about ready to do.

    Alright, Tesla fans, let me have it. It’s ttoo bad you know nothing what GM has been doing for the last 6 years. All you know is Tesla, Tesla, Tesla and Tesla.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25-27 There wouldn’t be enough of any kind of crash data on Teslas, especially fatalities, to be statistically significant, with a total of only ~2M on the road, world-wide. Fatality rates for vehicles with tens of millions on the road, like F-150, have a very wide confidence limits.

    https://www.iihs.org/ratings/driver-death-rates-by-make-and-model

    Data for “autopilot” would be very vague, even for non-fatal crashes.

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