AD #3363 – Cheap EVs Taking China by Storm; BMW USA Says It Won’t Charge for Heated Seats; Hau Thai Tang Leaving Ford

July 15th, 2022 at 11:53am

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Runtime: 10:32

0:08 BMW USA Says It Won’t Charge for Heated Seats
1:04 EU Car Sales Lowest in 26 Years
1:26 Saudis Invest in Aston Martin
2:49 Hau Thai Tang Leaving Ford
3:45 GM Building Nationwide Charging Network
4:40 Fiat 500e Best Selling EV in EU
6:05 Toyota Drops Avalon, Replaced by Crown
7:19 Cheap EVs Take China by Storm
8:15 Hyundai N Goes Electric

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35 Comments to “AD #3363 – Cheap EVs Taking China by Storm; BMW USA Says It Won’t Charge for Heated Seats; Hau Thai Tang Leaving Ford”

  1. Kevin A Says:

    Is it possible that the Fiat 500e is the only non-Tesla EV that is readily available? (I’m assuming that EVs are also limited by chip supply)
    Also, it’s surprising that the new Crown is so stark inside. The old one was known for plush olde worlde options like window curtains and a front passenger seat that could turn into a footrest when the rear passenger reclined the back seat.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Glad to see BMW got the message when it comes to pay to play accessories.

    I really think having a national charging network that’s as extensive as current gas stations will only slightly improve EV adoption. Many folks like myself have no plans to own an EV without a home charger that’s at least a level 2. So go ahead GM, install more chargers, but don’t be surprised when it has marginal affects on sales.

  3. Dan Busch Says:

    The Fiat 500E: Well maybe non-trendy and inexpensive EVs will be bought in quantities when they are available.

  4. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Kevin A – That’s not the case. There’s EVs available from the Volkswagen Group, Hyundai Group, Stellantis and more. Click the headline to that story in the transcript if you’d like to see more.

  5. Dan Busch Says:

    That was not my point. Apparently the “shock” was that the best selling EV was not a premium priced

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Is the Fiat 500e now sold in Europe similar to the one formerly sold in the US, with about 90 miles of range?

  7. merv Says:

    another great week of autoline,thanks

  8. GM Veteran Says:

    Some interesting data in those sales charts!

    For Q2 of 2022, when you look at the manufacturers, Tesla’s changing competitive picture becomes even more clear. Share of the EV market:
    1) VW Group 24.2%
    2) Stellantis 17.5%
    3) Hyundai Kia 12.3%
    4) BMW 8.6%
    5) Tesla 8.5%
    6) Renault Niss 8.2%
    7) Merc Benz 7.7%
    8) Geely 4.4%
    9) SAIC 3.4%
    10) Ford 1.9%

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 It’s interesting that Stellantis is so high, as they have no EVs in the US. They must be selling a lot in Europe and China.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8,9 or does that list include plug-in hybrides, not just EVs?

  11. Warwicj Rex Dundas Says:

    Isn’t Hyundai the most interesting automaker in the world!!! The diversity of their product offerings in terms of style, performance and function is amazing.

  12. Warwicj Rex Dundas Says:

    The Fiat 500e has been in the top 10 electric cars in Europe virtually since it launched. It hits the spot there by being a familiar brand and design, but offering an ideal solution as a city car in congested European cities.

  13. ChuckGrenci Says:

    For those so inclined (I’m inclined but can’t afford it); prices announced for the C8 ZO6: starting at 106,395 (including destination) for the 1LZ coupe, 115,595 for the 2LZ coupe, 120,245 for the 3LZ coupe, 113,895 for the 1LZ HTC (convertible), 122,595 for the 2LZ HTC and 127,245 for the 3LZ HTC.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    11 I think many, or most dealers can’t take orders. If my local dealer could, I’d be inclined to order one, if I could at MSRP. You could almost definitely drive it 6 months or a year and sell it at a profit.

  15. ChuckGrenci Says:

    12, Dealer orders begin 7/28 but most dealers already have waiting lists and allocations haven’t been announced or at least haven’t been revealed to the general public. I think GM reevaluated the market and bumped prices higher than expected (I was thinking a starting price at around 90k) but for the ultimate Vette, still a bargain. ZO7, carbon fiber wheels and trim prices were also announced but I don’t recall them off hand.

  16. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Corvette Conti link to the ZO6 pricing:
    Pretty short and to the point.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13 Yeah, I think the dealer where I bought my Corvette started a waiting list for Z06s a few years ago, and I’m not on it.

    14 It will be interesting to see what is standard on the Z06 that is not on the regular Corvette. It will probably sort out that the Z06 is a ~$35K engine option. Will the Z06 be in the “build and price” on the Chevy web site on 7/28?

  18. ChuckGrenci Says:

    15, Build and price on-line; I don’t know but there aren’t too many options (but the one’s offered are all high dollar). I think a fully loaded top of the line 3LZ should be approx. 165k.

  19. matttheviewer Says:

    Would be worthwhile if Autoline After Hours addressed the auto industry’s obsession with making car services subscription only. Is their goal a subscription-only sales model for eventually the entire vehicle?

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I see that the 2LZ is $9200 more than the 1LZ, while the 2LT is only $7000 more than the 1LT. I wonder if the “1″ and “2″ equipment is different in the LT and LZ, or if they just think it’s worth more in the faster car.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 I suspect car companies will quickly realize that the “subscription” thing is a big turn-off to a lot of people, and they will abandon it, except for cases where you are paying for something beyond what is part of the car, like satellite radio.

  22. ChuckGrenci Says:

    More pricing info on ZO6. A lot of fluff up until 4:50 (so forward, you won’t miss much). Link:
    It’s Corvette Conti (again) gets miscellaneous at about 13:30.

    And note there’s going to be a gas guzzler tax but that is to be determined at this point.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20 The gas guzzler tax is highly discriminatory, not applying to minivans, SUVs, and pickup trucks.

  24. Dom Montesano Says:

    When charging time is improved to 5 to 10 minutes like buying gasoline how do you expect the general public to buy them. Also how do owners in the cities that street park, plug their vehicles in over night?

  25. ChuckGrenci Says:

    22, When they get charging time down to 5 to 10 minutes, they won’t have to charge on the street overnight. But this is probably an eventuality; not a given at this time. Other considerations: do these 5 to 10 minutes get your charge to 80% or 100%; this another thing that we won’t know till batteries mature in the future. And this also goes back to the argument (discussion) about longer trips and having to charge for those same 5 or 10 minutes; does this get you to 80 or 100 percent. If you in an ICE and on a long trip, you certainly don’t put in less than a full tank.

  26. Bob Wilson Says:

    #8 – I’ve added the link to the original article as percentages can often mislead. Here are the quantity, percentage, and manufacturer:
    24963(10%) VOLKSWAGEN
    21164(8.5%) TESLA
    15897(6.4%) BMW
    15459(6.2%) AUDI
    15320(6.2%) KIA
    15309(6.1%) HYUNDAI
    13467(5.4%) MERCEDES-BENZ
    12645(5.1%) FIAT
    11987(4.8%) PEUGEOT
    11282(4.5%) RENAULT
    11245(4.5%) SKODA
    9040(3.6%) OPEL
    7735(3.1%) MG
    6724(2.7%) CITROEN
    6345(2.5%) POLESTAR
    5616(2.3%) SMART
    5491(2.2%) MINI
    4710(1.9%) FORD

  27. Dom Montesano Says:

    Even if a 10 minute charge gets you 80% you can still drive cross country without stopping over night to get another 300 miles. Also what about rural America, yes half the country is rural even some of parts of upstate New York, it is not unusual to drive 400 miles in one day on errands. Just let the market decide what is best, not the government, sort of like in the early 1900′s when the ICE won out.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 I’m used to getting 400 to near 600 miles with my 5 minutes of “charging.” We are a long way from that with EVs, and may never get there.

    A novel idea would be for people not to need to drive so much, whether in EVs or ICErs. What about mixed neighborhoods, where you can go shopping, go to a restaurant, go to work, etc. by walking a short distance, not driving a few miles? Things are still that way in some parts of the word, but such mixed neighborhoods are rare in the US.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 About 17% of the US population is rural.

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    9 I answered my question by seeing the list from the link, and posted by Bob W. Peugeot, Citroen, Opel, and Fiat sell a sizable number of EVs in Europe.

    8 vs 24 The lists look a lot different when you show company as in #8, vs brand, as in #24. VW Group includes VW, Audi, Skoda, SEAT, Porsche and others, adding up to a lot of EVs sold in Europe.

  31. Lambo2015 Says:

    So people! I want your opinion. When your driving especially on a trip and you roll into a gas station and all the pumps are occupied. Which happens occasionally. Its irritating but worse case you wait 5 minutes for a pump to open up.. Or you may have the option to cross the street and get gas at a different station. So worse case you waited a few minutes for a pump and took 5 minutes to fill up.
    How are you going to feel when your recharge takes 40 minutes you get off the Hwy to see a line of 5-6 vehicles waiting to use the 3 charges that are also the only ones around within the range you have left? Knowing you may need to wait anywhere from 40 minutes to 4 hours before you can even start to charge.. The car would be for sale the next day if its me.

    So beyond that my point is even if we install as many charging stations as we have gas pumps. It wont be enough. During peak times we occasionally have stations where every pump is filled with fill ups that take less than 5 minutes.
    A station with 12 pumps for 4 hours of the day will service 576 vehicles. If it takes an EV 40 min to fully charge. (which is optimistic) 12 chargers will only fill up 32 vehicles in those 4 hours.
    So instead of 12 gas pumps you need 240 charging stations to service 576 vehicles in those 4 hours. Oh and since they don’t typically have the same range you need those 240 chargers spaced more frequently than gas stations are.. Maybe you start to see that EVs are not a great long trip vehicle, especially if everyone has them. The amount of chargers needed is huge.

  32. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 In a few days, I will be seeing a friend who is make his second trip from Seattle to central Indiana in a Model S. A year ago, he didn’t mind the extra time added to the trip, and he ran into some interesting people at the charging stations during the trip. He didn’t need to wait for access to chargers during the trip. I’ll see how it went a year later, and if he is still liking an EV for long road trips.

    As far as waiting for a gas pump, I haven’t had that happen in years along the interstate, but waited briefly two days ago in Muncie, Indiana. The reason was that the station was about 15 cents/gallon cheaper than the other stations in the area.

  33. Lambo2015 Says:

    Yeah there probably isn’t much of a problem yet in most of the country but I have seen videos of long lines in California for a charger station.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    33 Yeah, it appears that too many people in CA without home charging have bought EVs.

  35. Dom Montesano Says:

    Mixed neighborhoods are cities. And people are moving out. Need I say more.