AD #3376 – Lamborghini In No Rush to Introduce EVs; U.S. Car Sales Still Weak; GM Expands Super Cruise in North America

August 3rd, 2022 at 11:52am

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Runtime: 9:18

0:08 U.S. Car Sales Still Weak but Show Signs of Improvement
1:13 BMW Blames Supply Issues on First Half Sales Drop
2:19 Ferrari Posts Strong First Half Results
3:45 Lamborghini In No Rush to Introduce EVs
4:36 Mazda CX-50 Gets More Rugged Look
5:29 F-150 Lightning Now in All 50 States
5:52 GMC Teases New Canyon
7:07 Chevy Bolt Owners Must Promise Not to Sue to Receive Rebate
7:51 GM Expands Super Cruise in North America

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18 Comments to “AD #3376 – Lamborghini In No Rush to Introduce EVs; U.S. Car Sales Still Weak; GM Expands Super Cruise in North America”

  1. Dave Says:

    in response to the Bolt do you want a cheap car or don’t you

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    From what I’ve read about the caveat of the no-sue clause, I’m thinking if you didn’t agree and went ahead with a class action suit which isn’t or hasn’t even started, what are the odds you would fare better financially or timely. Take the 5-6 thousand payment and sign; you haven’t signed away ‘everything’, just the battery fire problem (which at this time seems to be fixed).

  3. Norm T Says:

    The later Bolt EV models were not subject to causing fires like the earlier Korean made batteries. The earlier Michigan made batteries did not catch fire. In the end they all got recalled with full replacement on early models and partial on later models.

  4. MERKUR DRIVER Says:

    Only GM could take what could have been an amazing gesture for their owners that would have led to brand loyalty for decades and turn it into a negative with lawyers. The only logical response is to take the money. Park your bolt outside, let it burn, have insurance pay for it, and then buy a TESLA. Or, it could not burn and you can spend the next 4 years hating GM while you pay it off. Dump it once it is paid off, buy a Tesla, and never look at another GM product for the rest of your life.

    I am sure this stipulation is great for GM in 2022 though and their lawyers have celebrated. Won’t be great for GM in 2024 onwards when these 22 models start getting replaced with Non-GM products.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    On the Bolt; Id take the money and run. Even if at a later date a class action lawsuit is filed. By time the lawyers are paid you’d be lucky to get $5000.

    Lamborghini is probably doing the right thing by not jumping on the EV bandwagon just yet. Their incredible engines are part of what makes those cars so unique. Besides the buyers don’t buy them for fuel economy and with global sales only around 7500 the contribution to greenhouse gas is a blip on the radar. Besides there are some EV supercars out there for those that want them. As long as they are prepared when the time comes and launch an EV successfully when they do I don’t think it will hurt the company.

    As I’ve said before if a company like Dodge didn’t launch an BEV until 2030 everyone thinks the company will be viewed as behind and playing catch-up. Honestly if they do it right and come out of the gates with a knock your socks off EV I really don’t think it will matter. Let other dump the millions of cash figuring this out and then swoop in toward the end with what has been proven to work best and do it flawlessly and no one will care that you came late to the party. The real key is launching it right as GM is finding out with the Bolt. Sometimes being first causes more harm than good.

  6. Bob Wilson Says:

    If the Bolt charged faster than 100 kW, it would be a good buy. But my understanding is the Bolt still charges 50 kW which is way too slow.

  7. Buzzerd Says:

    @4- that’s more than a bit ridiculous for what is a standard type of offer.

  8. XA351GT Says:

    I’d take the money on the Bolt and then unload the POS on someone else. Let them deal with it.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’d certainly take the money re. the Bolt. I’ll never live long enough for any potential class action suit to come to fruition, and class action suits are mostly scams anyway.

    4 Tesla doesn’t even compete with the Bolt. The cheapest Tesla, the Model 3 costs almost twice as much as a Bolt, and isn’t as good for carrying stuff, because it’s a sedan rather than a hatchback.

    5 The engine is much of what defines Lamborghinis, Ferraris, and even some/most versions of Dodge Challenger. The companies making exotics are going to need to come up with some real creativity when/if all cars become electric, with powertrains being nearly alike.

    6 A charge rate of 1 kW would be fast enough for about 90% of my driving, if I had home charging at my condo. Yeah, if you use an EV for road trips, the faster the charging, the better, but for most EV users, it makes little difference.

  10. wmb Says:

    #5 & #9.) Here is the thing about the statement made by the Lamborghini CEO, what is he really saying?! It has already been said that Lamborghini has been working with VW, Audi, Porsche and Bentley on the their luxury BEV platform, since the beginning. They have already said that they will have a sedan/four door coupe EV, built from that architecture before the year 2030. So, while they have not said ‘when’ they will stop building ICE a go all electric, they are already moving behind the scenes with the other brands in the VW Group, toward that eventuality! IMHO, Lamborghini is holding back, to study the field and to see what will be on offer, when they finally DO build a hyper/super exotic, sports car and what the competition will be like in that class. While today Lambo’s direct competition may be Ferrari, Aston Martin and McLaren, on the BEV side, there are/will/may be a number of competitors in that space. From Lotus, upstarts, Italian design houses and other studios. All claiming a 0-to-60 speed of less then3 seconds, with horsepower outputs ranging from nearly 1000-to-2500hp! The currently, most powerful Lambo model, does not make those type of power numbers from their ICE engines. So, when they bring their BEV to market, most might be expecting, being who they are, to at least meet, but more likely exceed what these others groups brought to the play ground! Many of them are claiming to have their vehicles out and on the road, in the next couple of years. So, it would serve Lamborghini best to sit back, see what the competition, new breed or otherwise, has to offer, before they start making promises about what they will bring to the party! One thing, I’m sure, they learnedmfrom what happen to Porsche, when they introduced the Taycan. Being one of the first OEMs to field a BEV close to the size and price of the Tesla Model S, many were hoping/expecting it to put it away. In the end, the two vehicles, both being very good examples of their kind, yet turned out to be as close to each other as an apple is to an orange! My point is, it may suit Lambo best to first see what the landscape looks like and is turning into, before they identify what their place will be in it! For, while what makes up a lot of Lamborghini, Ferrari, Aston Martin and McLaren, maybe commensurate with their internal combustion engine, there are a LOT of other things that make these vehicles what they are! Power-to-weight, ride and handling, along with speed and acceleration, and may we NEVER forget just how incredible these vehicles look! So while these vehicles may be loosing a VERY important element of what makes them great, that doesn’t mean that they are not other things to love and appreciate about them, now even more so.

    During the early days of the automobile, there were those never thought, it would ever be as thrilling as riding the fastest horse, or watching it race! Later, there where those who thought the greatest vehicles came only with 16 cylinders, then 12 cylinders, and then eight cylinders! Then they were the V8 displacement wars and there impact on horse power. Next came naturally aspirated engines, versus turbocharging! I remember back to the 1995, when reading an article, as an auto journalist was giving the Ford Thunderbird super coupe demerits. Why? Because, in their opinion, they were offended that they could hear the whin of supercharger as it accelerated! Now, the sound of the supercharger on the hemi, in the Dodge Charger and Challenger H’Cat and Demon editions, is one of the greatest and coolest things about those vehicle! There was a time when the greatest sport sedan in the World, was the midsize, V8 powered BMW M5, with a whopping 400hp! Now the 4 cylinder Mercedes Benz A and CLA Classes, have more power then that amazing M5! It’s all about perspective. Who’s the say the Lamborghini and Ferrari, might not do something with their electric motors that makes the loose of the sound and feel of the ICE engines, less catastrophic for many of their buyers?! If driven on regular streets and at a normal pace, how often can they really exploit and appreciate the values of the ICE engine in the first place? It’s a matter of perspective. Sure, they’re going to be some things that they’re going to lose as a result of not having an ICE engine. Yet, it’s also an opportunity for them to reinvent themselves, in to something that’s greater than what they may be leaving behind.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 The biggest thing that differentiates a $65K Corvette from a $300K McLaren or Lamborghini is the powertrain and the name. If they all become electric, there is a lot less to justify that 5X price difference, when the powertrains of all of them will be about alike. We’ll just have to wait and see how it all sorts out.

    As far as super expensive luxury cars, like Rolls-Royce Phantom, the powertrain is not what defines them. The luxury and elegance of the cabin, along with some aspects of styling define them. The transition to electric should not affect their tiny market niche so much.

  12. Bob Wilson Says:

    “(BMW) is down 13.4% compared to last year … sold nearly 76,000 BEVs, which is more than double compared to last year. ” The irony is BMW closing down the electric/PHEV i3 earlier this year.

    The I3 addressed 2013 traction battery weight with a brilliant carbon fiber body on an aluminum frame. BMW failed to expand the BMW i3 with a five seater and a microbus and failed to ride the traction battery cost savings. IMHO, BMW reverted to legacy ICE engineering (see BMW I8) instead of empowering their brilliant, i3, EV team.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 I suspect the way the i3 was built would be far too expensive to use for cars they hope to compete with in the mass market, or near-luxury markets.

    I read on INSIDEEVs that BMW would be building electric Mini Countrymen in Leipzig where the i3 was built.

  14. Bob Wilson Says:

    My understanding is the former I3 factory was converted to battery pack production. As for the Mini Countryman, it is too low for us old folks.

    I checked the BMW EVs at fueleconomy.gov and they rank lower, many significantly, than the BMW i3. Speculation, are the BMW ICE engineers trying to sabotage the BMW EVs … and failing?

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    10-11 Yeah I believe we both agree that for now Lamborghini can work in the background but not make anything official toward BEVs. As wmb pointed out what a exotic supercar BEV will be by 2030 could be much different that it is today. But I have to totally agree with Kit that the BEV powertrains will make standing out even harder. It will get to the point of accelerating to what ever the tires can grip. So if quickness is all about the same it puts the design at a much higher level. Honestly I think the C8 is as attractive as any Ferrari and for the price difference Id take 3 Corvettes for the one Ferrari. I think some of these exotic car companies may find it harder to ask the kind of money they currently get. When quickness and top speed is easily achievable by Ford GM Tesla and Stelantis you really have to wonder will buyers still hold the supercar with such regard? I think its going to be a rough road ahead for Ferrari and Lamborghini and others in that exotic segment. They’ll need to figure out how to offer something you cant get from the average BEV. Speed and quickness will no longer be just their wheelhouse. If they can hold out and stay ICE that might be the only thing that separates them from rest. I doubt they will be able to be as quick as a BEV but if customers want that smooth hum of an exotic engine over quickness maybe that’s what they can still offer.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Even the much-less-roomy current Mini EV is less efficient than an i3. For some reason, newer i3s are less efficient than older ones. Are the higher capacity batteries in newer ones physically bigger and heavier, or just higher energy density? If heavier, that could explain the difference in efficiency.

    https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=45330&id=36016&id=43819

  17. wmb Says:

    #11 and #15.) I agree with both of you, but think also about this, there are a lot of high power 4 cylinders that are just as quick off the line, if not faster, then some of the exotic’s V8’s V10’s and V12’s. Yet, still, those with the resources to purchase them, will go out and pay these six and seven figure vehicles with no pain of conscience. So while they may be able to get a much lower costing BEV that has a similar (or better?) 0-to-60 time, there will never be any cross shopping of a Mach-E GT, with an EV Ferrari. That said, some of the EV exotics (like the Lotus Evija) are looking to come to market with four motors and 1200hp in the next several months! There are others, upstarts and established brands, that are promising even more horse power from their hyper BEV in the next several years, but will arrive before Lamborghini’s. Whether these other OEMs can bring theirs to market remains to be seen, and when the Evija arrives, they will be asking $2 million dollars for their rocket ball on wheels! What I’m saying is, the Evija, though an EV, will bring a much different experience then the Mach-E GT. Secondly, the Evija (as an example) can potentially bring a different type/level of excitement then an ICE Lambo or Ferrari will. Regardless of what is said, an electric motor does give off a sound and, obviously, not that of an ICE. Yet, who’s to say that these brands can do something with the sound that they do give off, that compliments the fire breather that it will be?! Will they except that challenge? I read a Car and Driver article recently, that compared the Model S Plaid, with the AMG EQS 4Matic+. While the Plaid had the AMG beat on power and delivery, the S was smoked by the AMG ride and handling and vehicle ambience (personally, I took umbrage with the article, since the Tesla is not a luxury vehicle, but it’s cost is reflective of the cost of the tech being used)! Again, there was more to like about the vehicle then just straight line performance. It seems as if, when Lamborghini and Ferrari bring their BEVs to market, they may have to do battle with exotics that have close to twice the horse power and asking price of their current ICE vehicles! Here is a thought, how many takers do either of you think, would jump a the chance to get BEV Corvette, with 1000-1200hp, 300 miles of range, for $120K??

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 I would think there would be good interest in a 1000+ hp Corvette with 300 miles range for $120K. I don’t think I’d be interested, but I’m sure people would be.

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