AD #3448 – Should U.S. Mandate Tesla Charging Tech?; EVs To Reach Cost Parity In 2025; Mercedes Peels Off the FTX Logos

November 14th, 2022 at 11:55am

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Runtime: 9:42

0:08 Elon Musk Faces $56 Billion Lawsuit
1:01 EVs To Reach Cost Parity In 2025
1:45 Mercedes Peels Off the FTX Logos
3:19 France Mandates PV Panels at Parking Lots
4:00 More Specs on Hyundai’s New Flagship
4:54 Should U.S. Mandate Tesla Charging Tech?
6:49 Audi Opens Charging Salon in China
7:28 VW To Use Developing Nations for ICE Production
8:23 Wuling KFC & Cadillac Ragnarok

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29 Comments to “AD #3448 – Should U.S. Mandate Tesla Charging Tech?; EVs To Reach Cost Parity In 2025; Mercedes Peels Off the FTX Logos”

  1. ChuckGrenci Says:

    Beta or VHS of the chargers. The smart thing to do would be to pick the best one and standardize charging. But maybe that makes too much sense and egos will be hurt for the system that is left behind.

  2. Lex Says:

    Tesla opening up it’s Charging Network to other brands is a brilliant new revenue stream which should have been done years ago.

    France mandating solar panels in parking lots sounds like a good idea on wet and hot days but what about snow and ice build up in Winter?
    That is the Solar Industries liability experience with these parking lot panels in wintery conditions, i.e. accident and personal injury cases?

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    LIke 1 stated, beta or VHS, Blue ray or HD DVD.. Makes sense to pick the best one and go with that. I know I really enjoy putting up christmas lights and find that half of them have polarized plugs and the other half don’t.
    @2- personal injury cases? That’s kind of a US thing.

  4. Marshy Says:

    I’m all for EV cost parity as long as it doesn’t mean ICE goes up another 20%.

  5. Wim van Acker Says:

    1 It is about yearly average power generation. This application does not require continuous power generation.
    2 Since solar panels are installed under an angle and operate at around 100-120 F snow slides off very quickly. Highest output of solar panels is with 1 inch of snow covering, by the way.

  6. Marshy Says:

    Say what you will, but I think the CCS plug has all the user charm of a propane fill nozzle.

    The Tesla unit has solid industrial design thought that isn’t compromised by backward compatibility.

  7. Buzzerd Says:

    @5 I’ve noticed that our crappy little solar lights charge very well under the snow.

  8. Ron Says:

    NACS. Yes immediately. Make it the standard.

  9. Lew Says:

    @1 That is a no brainer.
    But we all know Politics in DC will decide.

  10. George Ricci Says:

    What does Sylvain Filippi, the head of Envision Racing, know about mass producing EV’s?

    Technology and battery improvements can reduce of the costs, but with shortage of the raw materials and growing demand will continue to drive battery prices higher.

  11. Roger T Says:

    The French move on solar parking will require energy storage investments too. Capacity of 6 nuclear plants with solar translates into the average of 12 nuclear plants during sunny days, and 0 at night time.

  12. Roger T Says:

    I would love to see the solar parking in the US, too.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If the Tesla connectors are better, it would be nice to adopt them as a standard, but is there any assurance that Elon wouldn’t hire lawyers and start demanding royalties from everyone if other car companies and charging stations start adopting them?

    I’ll believe it when I see it, regarding price parity between EVs and ICErs by 2025. I doubt that new supplies of lithium and other materials for batteries will come online nearly soon enough for that to happen.

  14. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that standards for any electrical connectors change slowly. RCA audio connectors are still a standard after about 85 years, as are the crappy snap connectors on 9 volt batteries after 65 years.

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @11 no, it won’t:
    1 To begin I believe the figures have been misunderstood. A quantity of energy generated is not expressed in GW but in GWh. Even if the roofs of parking spaces would generate 11 GW (which I doubt) you have to understand that the 11 GW of ten average nuclear reactors is 24/7 and all year, while the 11 GW of solar panels are the peak power but taking into account lower solar intensity, night-time, shade time, etc., it would roughly be less than 1/3 of the nuclear reactors.
    2 The solar power is relatively small scale and decentralized power generation. I will be absorbed by the electrical power grid locally.

  16. Wim van Acker Says:

    @15 It will be

  17. Wim van Acker Says:

    @16 I am making this worse, so once more: “It will be” instead of “I will be” in the last line of 15. Sorry for the confusion.

  18. GM Veteran Says:

    Typical Elon, changing the name to North American Charging Standard, that makes it sound like its been determined to be the standard by an industry council like SAE. Except, it hasn’t.

    Reminds me of calling their Level 2 autonomous system AutoPilot. Except, it isn’t.

  19. Kevin A Says:

    Is it just me or does the front end styling of that Hyundai look like a Mitsubishi?


    19) It is so generic it could look like anything.

  21. Lambo2015 Says:

    Yeah EVs will reach cost parity with ICE when they regulate and increase the cost of ICE to the point they cost as much as an EV.

    So any country can mandate solar panels to be added to parking lots. Which will force the owners to turn it into a vacant lot, (limiting available parking) build something (also limiting parking) or charge more to park there. So even if you dont have an EV it will cost everyone more to park. Sounds wonderful!

  22. merv Says:

    18 exactly

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 The solar panels would take away very few parking places.

    A lot of why the transaction prices are increasing, along with parts shortages, is that people are buying huge trucks, and not small cars.

  24. Bob Wilson Says:

    I would be happy if Tesla would make a J1772 plug with the same electrical specs as the SuperCharger plug. The pins are similar so use J1772 for the physical form factor. The handshake protocol can easily let it work like the Tesla plug or for a ‘Blink’ rate, let non-Tesla cars plug in.

    As for the non-Tesla vehicles, they have the option of designing their DC fast charge on the J1772 socket. The Franked-plug, CCS-1 should join jCHAdeMO.

  25. Lambo2015 Says:

    23 Wasnt saying that solar panels themselves would take away parking spots. My point was as a lot owner this mandate will force the property owner to either invest, probably over a Million if not millions of dollars (since its 80-400 spots) into their otherwise easy/cheap to maintain parking lot. Which means they either have the money or are able to borrow the money and will certainly pass that cost onto the customers that park there. Or they will decide to just leave it a vacant lot to avoid installing the solar panels. Or two decide to develop it both of which will reduce available parking.
    Just saying its easy to think what a great idea, when your not the property owner or one burdened with installing solar panels you may or may not need. I would doubt not every parking spot is going to have charging capability. In fact the story didnt say anything about providing charging other than replacing nuclear power plants. So essentially they are not having the power company expand its network but putting that burden onto the public.
    If it were me, I would be looking to maybe lease the area above my parking lot to the power company. They can take on the cost burden to install the panels and reap all the benefit of the power it generates and just send me a check for the use of the area. But I guess it reallt depends on what that ROI for a huge solar farm and if the lot owners have the capital to invest in such a project. Maybe along with passing that law in France they’ll offer gov loans to those owners to build them.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    25 Whether paid for with borrowed money, or the lot owner’s funds, solar panels pay for themselves in a few years. In most cases, the power from the panels would be fed into the “grid,” not used directly to charge parked cars. That’s what is done with a solar array at a car museum near me in Florida.

    Here is a good article explaining why solar panels over parking lots is much better than replacing farm land with solar panels, etc.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Not having an EV, I’m not very familiar with the different charging connectors. Here is a good description of the various connectors used around the world.

  28. Lambo2015 Says:

    26 Yeah I would say for the most part it does make sense to place panels over parking lots. Especially vs farm land. Provides shade for the cars below and doesnt use land that could otherwise be used for other stuff. But at that point why stop there? All commercial buildings have huge roofs that could house lots of solar panels. Could lower their A/C costs and extend the life of their roof. Basically available space not obstructed by trees. There are plenty of places to install panels that are much better than open vacant land.

  29. Lambo2015 Says:

    28 cont- I could see many cities having lots with problems getting enough exposure to make it worthwhile though. Blocked by tall buildings I suppose that’s why they allow for petition to be exempt. Tops of parking garages may be a good though. Even though the traditional Mall is being replaced with outdoor malls they still have huge parking lots. Would be nice to have the majority of them shaded by panels.