AD #3467 – Cheap EVs Are the Kei Cars of China; NIO Opens Battery Swapping Tech to All; EPA Report is Misleading

December 13th, 2022 at 11:50am

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Runtime: 9:35

0:00 EPA Report is Misleading
1:11 Switzerland Could Curb EV Use
1:49 NIO Opens Battery Swapping Tech to All
3:18 Kia Dealers Last in Consumer Satisfaction
4:13 Ford to Axe Fiesta, Focus
4:51 Hyundai Develops Delivery Robots
6:12 IIHS Tightens Up Crash Test
7:07 Honda Pilot TrailSport Tackles Off-Road Terrain
8:07 Cheap EVs Are the Kei Cars of China

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28 Comments to “AD #3467 – Cheap EVs Are the Kei Cars of China; NIO Opens Battery Swapping Tech to All; EPA Report is Misleading”

  1. Jim Haines Says:

    The EPA is run by enviro nuts that have never known to be fair and the continued war against America is just another day

  2. Jim Haines Says:

    The EPA is run by enviro nuts that have never known to be fair and the continued war against America is just another day

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    I work with a lot of people who own trucks and most my friends do also and a lot of them have been getting into 3/4 ton trucks which doesn’t help matters either.

  4. Kevin A Says:

    Sean, I think you missed the EPA’s point. The GOAL is to reduce total pollution, not to make a cleaner gigantic vehicle. If each vehicle gets cleaner per unit of fuel, but uses more fuel because it is ridiculously large, then ZERO progress has been made. Stellantis should score poorly, based on product mix alone.

  5. Kevin A Says:

    North America could benefit greatly from Kei style cars, but the government can’t seem to understand the problem well enough to see that. They ban Kei cars because they aren’t as safe in crash tests, while still allowing motorcycles, ATVs and ebikes that are far worse. Kei cars make perfect sense in urban environments that don’t have a lot of freeways. (ie New York makes more sense for Kei than LA)

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    GM and Ford will look better in those EPA numbers, as they increase the number of BEVs they sell. I assume that the published numbers are weighted based on the number of each vehicle model sold. Vans had a big jump of 3.9 mpg, no doubt the result of Toyota Sienna switching from a V6 powertrain to 4 cylinder hybrid for all production.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    4 I dont think Sean missed the point at all. The EPA doesnt take into account consumer demand. If consumers want trucks and continue to buy trucks then they will go to the manufactures that offer what they want. So a company like Ford that sells a bunch of F-150s and are making strides to improve emissions and increase MPG dont get the credit in the overall picture. They might cut the emissions of the truck more than Subaru and sell 300,000 more than Subaru thus making a larger impact than Subaru. But it doesnt look that way in the way that its presented.

  8. Albemarle Says:

    No surprise about Stellantis. They are where they want to be and proud of it.

    Has anyone from this company ever come on Autoline and bragged about efficiency and pollution control?

    It’s all about vertical rock walls for Jeep, how much the Ram truck can tow, and helephant crate motors.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 Stellantis does poorly, not only because of the product mix, but all of the Jeep models are worst-in-class in fuel economy, or nearly so.

  10. Lambo2015 Says:

    At this point what difference does it make what the EPA says anyway. Within 12 years the combustion engine will be regulated out of existence. Things could stay exactly the way they are with no improvement for the next 12 years and have minimal impact.

  11. Wim van Acker Says:

    @1, “war against America”: the U.S. produces 18 of global oil production while having 2% of global proven reserves under its land mass and water bodies. So we are running out of oil at ten times the world average speed. The largest oil reserves are with Venezuela, Canada, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Russia and Iraq.

    I suggest you think this through and reflect on who puts our future at risk: those who try to contribute to reducing oil consumption or those who do not understand our situation, like you.

  12. Wim van Acker Says:

    @11 18%

  13. Drew Says:

    Sim, and 5 of those 6 countries hate the US.

    The reality is that all natural resources are limited in supply. And I recognize the creativeness/inventiveness of humans to develop new technologies to replace dwindled resources. Nevertheless, everyone in every country should have the virtues efficiency and conservation.

  14. RSharp Says:

    When considering the last-place position of the Kia brand and dealers in Sales Satisfaction it would be useful to remember that the past year has been a time of excessive Kia dealer greed. With “market adjustment” add-ons to the price of Sorento, Sportage, electric, hybrid and plug-in hybrid models, and nearly everything else in the product line, it’s no wonder that many Kia customers are dissatisfied with the sales process.
    While the market has grossly favored the dealer for over a year now, there’s probably no brand that has milked the situation as thoroughly as the Kia dealer body.
    They are enjoying huge profits recently, but with the removal of the electric vehicle tax credits and no credit available for cars built outside of North America, there will be some Kia dealer suffering ahead. Well deserved, I might add.

  15. Wim van Acker Says:

    @13 I fully agree with you

  16. Lambo2015 Says:

    14 I wouldnt say there is no tax credit available to Kia as it seems the details of the IRA are still being worked out. But does include up to $4000 for buying a used EV and that doesnt require it to be manufactured in the US. So Kia could benefit by using new models as Demos knock a grand off the sticker and get $4000 more in tax rebates. Naw they woulnt do that?

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    13,15 Me too.

    14 I wasn’t aware of Kia dealers’ being high in customer rip-off rate, but would certainly explain low dealer satisfaction. My best dealer experience in years, was with the Chevy dealer where I ordered my C8 Corvette. I paid MSRP plus sales tax, but no add ons of any kind.

  18. XA351GT Says:

    How do they figure those EPA numbers ? Is it by taking one of every vehicle model offered and the totalled and averaged or do they compile every vehicle sold and add the numbers that way ? That would be the most accurate method of total emissions IMO . Because as a example say a manufacturer makes all EVs except for a massive SUV and truck which out sell those EVs by a 10-1 margin Those ICE numbers should completely upset the average .

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    18 The numbers are based on production volumes of each model.

  20. merv Says:

    Moab and Sedona,two very amazing must see places

  21. Drew Says:

    Regarding Kia’s poor Sales Satisfaction score…. In the last 2 years, nearly all OEMs/dealers experienced low inventory and extracted higher margins. But why would Kia’s SSI rate poorer than others?

    I have a non-scientific observation. I believe Kia (and Hyundai) enjoyed relatively better inventory supplies, so did this lead to some cockiness/arrogance in the sales process?

  22. Joseph C Says:

    13,15, 17 I try to be as efficient as possible with all energy sources.

    14 I tried to buy a new Telluride last year, KIA dealer would not show me the Monroney sticker, quoted “market price” about $5k over MSRP loaded with a bunch of aftermarket add-ons which I didn’t want, so I simply walked away. a few months later I found a gently used/low mileage Telluride at a significant discount compared to the dealer.

  23. Joe G Says:

    Wait… WHAT? Europe in an energy crisis and I thought the story would be to ration gas only and the electric owners would be fine… yea, buy electric. But the BEV owners would be restricted ??? You can bet with the vehicle connectivity you could be tracked for enforcement, if it got that bad. And with future digital only currency, be punished, fined or cut off from your funds if you don’t obey. I know, this sounds like crazy conspiricy stuff, for now….

  24. Wim van Acker Says:

    @23 Western Europe is having a natural gas problem. Natural gas for power generation and heating. That has nothing to do with gasoline.

    Many Americans refer to gasoline as “gas” and therefore people erroneously think it is actually a gas, but it is not. Gasoline is a liquid mixture of C7 and C8 and natural gas is a gaseous mixture of C1 and some C2.

    C7 – a molecule formed by 7 carbon atoms, etc.

  25. Walter Hanisch Says:

    Well in the end try as you/they might its all about profit kind of sad.

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24 C8H18, octane.

  27. Bob Wilson Says:

    Technical articles about the Fusion ignition announcement came out. There is a hard technical problem of laser inefficiency that might be addressed by ‘free electron lasers.’ Admirable work, their announced technology is far removed from a practical energy source today.

    We have yet to use the existing fusion reactor 93 million miles away. Couple wind, water, and solar to efficient energy storage and we have a ‘good enough’ solution today. Renewable energy and storage solutions are here today and any technician or engineer can master. Use today’s ‘low hanging fruit’ while research continues on next generation fission and fusion power.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I like this concept for using fusion energy, but it must not be very cost effective, given its limited use.,a%20generator%20to%20produce%20electricity.