AD #3491 – VW Developing Ranger Based EV Pickup; Tesla Expands Nevada Gigafactory; BMW Launches New M3

January 25th, 2023 at 12:00pm

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Runtime: 9:28

0:08 Tesla Expands Nevada Gigafactory
0:51 Tesla Now Qualifies for Full German EV Incentives
1:32 VW Developing Ford Ranger Based EV Pickup
3:02 Adient Slashes Environmental Impact
3:46 BMW Launches New High-Performance M3
5:11 Lucid Supplying Formula E with Electric Drive Units
6:33 Ford May Sell German Plant to BYD
7:22 Tire Rack: Aftermarket EV Tires Better Than Factory Tires

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25 Comments to “AD #3491 – VW Developing Ranger Based EV Pickup; Tesla Expands Nevada Gigafactory; BMW Launches New M3”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Isn’t the main difference between Tesla OEM tires, and other tires, that the Tesla ones are lined with some kind of foam to reduce road noise? It sounds like they also have different, lower performance compound.

  2. thredd Says:

    Seems odd that Tire Rack would only compare tires of the same brands as the factory ones… Hmmmmmmmm

  3. Drew Says:

    Sean, you reported the handling and braking differences in the Tire Rack test, but not the “fuel” efficiency difference. I suspect the OEM spec tires are biased to low rolling resistance to aid in driving range. Yet, low rolling resistant tires typically don’t corner or brake as well. Bottom line, it frequently comes down to attribute trade-offs.

  4. Stu Says:

    1 – looks like a combination of low rolling resistance construction and hard compound in an effort to improve range. Tire Rack saw about a 10% drop in range between the OEM and aftermarket tires. Those types of tires are notoriously poor in handling and braking performance, so those results aren’t too surprising.

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    Not really surprising that an aftermarket tire can outperform the OE. The original tire is the tire that offered the best performance for the price including any OE specifications.
    If the OE’s main criteria was range they may have sacrificed some of the performance parameters to increase range. It really comes down to what they valued most. Certainly most performance cars can and need to buy a better tire for the track but they’ll sacrifice maybe wet performance. Its all a matter of what the OE was after and if Toyo provides a better price than Goodyear for an almost equivilant tire I’m sure price wins out. Remember on those 50K vehicles thats 200K tires and a dollar savings is 200K a year.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3,4 Yep, after reading the linked article, I see that the estimated range was substantially higher with the OEM tires, indicating lower rolling resistance. I posted #1 before reading the INSIDEEVs article.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    Funny. By the time I finished my post 4 other had added almost the same exact comments. I dont think anyone found it surprising.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 I’ve heard for years that Tesla OEM tires were lined with foam, to decrease road/tire noise, but they are also low rolling resistance. I don’t know how they do on tread life.

  9. GM Veteran Says:

    Didn’t realize we had so many tire enthusiasts here. Good to know.

    I’m thinking that the VW EV pickup story also means that a Ford Ranger EV will be developed using the same engineering work that will be done for the VW truck. Midsize EV pickups, in some ways, make even more sense than full size pickups.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If the InsideEVs article is correct, the Michelin tires compared with the OEMs are almost snow tires, “severe snow service rated,” and they still performed better than the OEMs.

  11. Roger T Says:

    After watching the cool Lucid engineering videos with Peter R, I was very impressed with their electric drivetrain, they are borderline teasing how crude other motors are in comparison. Glad to see they’re finding ways to use it in other applications, spreading goodness.

  12. Wim van Acker Says:

    @TESLA: at EUR 40,000 for the Model 3 and EUR 41,000 for the Model Y in Europe I am expecting big successes for TRESLA in Western and Northern Europe.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 Models 3 and Y are much closer to the same price in Europe than in the US, where the Y is $9K more expensive. Maybe they sell an RWD Model Y in Europe, which could explain the big difference. The Y is sold only 4WD in the US, while an RWD 3 is sold.

  14. wmb Says:

    Wow, who would have thought that, instead of complaining about the US IRA, if leaders of other countries did the same think, the citizens in their own countries would be incentivized to make similar EV purchases in their home market?! I don’t get the rationale of those leaders, complaining about what other leaders are doing in their own country, which is benefiting their people, calling it unfair to the multi billion dollar companies in their home market! It’s one thing if something in the US is unfair and having a negative impact on the citizens in the country that they represent. But, these are multi billion dollar in dollar companies and most of those complaining, the product they are selling wouldn’t qualify anyway.

    BMW is reeaallly leaning into that face that the have on the 4 and now the 3 Series! There next styling design can’t come fast enough, IMHO!

    If Ford could include the work force along with the sell of the German plant, that would be a best case solution for everyone involved. Whom ever the new owner is, I’m sure would value a skilled work force, ready to move the assembly plant into whatever direction the new stewardship would be willing to go into!

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Brexit may not have been good for Ford in Europe. Ford had been the top selling brand in the UK for decades, and had been shipping parts and cars back and forth to the continent. They are still a close #2 in the UK, after VW, but are a very distant #8 in Europe as a whole, with sales dropping substantially between 2020 and 2021. Maybe BYD would want to buy all of what’s left of Ford Europe, as PSA did with Opel/Vauxhall, before Stellantis was formed.

  16. Wim van Acker Says:

    @15 since VW produces outside of the U.K. and leads in sales in the U.K., what is your rationale that Brexit has been bad for Ford, Kit?

  17. merv Says:

    I recently went from Continental tires which were oe on my car,to a Michelin. I noticed the change immediately once behind the wheel. I much prefer the Continentals for my application/driving style. Once these are done,I’ll be switching back.

  18. ArtG Says:

    11 Lucid has been building batteries and powertrains for other manufacturers since 2007 as well as battery packs for Formula E racing. They have a lot of experience at this.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 My thought was the large amount of “back and forth” of parts and cars with Ford, which got more complex with Brexit. VW just sells cars in the UK, with no manufacturing there, except Bentley. There, presumably, would be extra tax on the VWs going to the UK, but I’d think that would be simple, compared to what Ford would deal with. Maybe that’s not a big factor, though.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Generally, Michelin tires are quiet, ride well, and have long tread life, while comparable Continentals have better performance. At least that’s how it seems with their “mainstream” all season tires.

    All tire companies have so many different models that it’s hard to really compare. I know my Camry hybrid handled and generally “felt better” with Continentals than with the Firestones that came on it, but it got worse mpg with the Continentals.

  21. Bob Wilson Says:

    Adoption of existing ICE architecture often means keeping legacy design rules that limit EV performance. For examples, see F150 and Rivian, The Ford/VW joint effort is already doomed to under perform as EVs really need a ‘clean sheet’ design.

    A past Prius owner, both Sumitomo and Bridgestone replacement tires provided lower rolling resistance than the initial tires. Often these replacements came with significant improved +40%, tire range. But it looks like Bridgestone has ended their ECOPIA series and Sumitomo wandered off years ago.

  22. JoeS Says:

    I have found that my replacement tires (different brand) significantly out preformed the OEM tires. But I’m usually comparing apples to oranges because in most cases I went with separate summer and winter tires with the focus on traction not mileage. My summer tire choices were a “plus one”, one size wider and one size lower profile. The difference in wet and dry traction was significant.

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    The biggest difference in tires today from years ago when I started driving is the tires are designed to cover a designated mileage and still have tread left on them. Todays tires will have internal belt separation and uneven wear when they have been driven too long and still have tread left on them. I had a set of Michelin’s that I got 80k miles on them before they started to have problems and they still had tread but needed replaced. You dont often see people on bald tires anymore unless its an alignment problem. It is amazing the difference a good set of tires can make.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Tire Rack still list Bridgestone Ecopia, at least in sizes for Prius and Camry LE hybrid.

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    23 When I started driving in the early 1960s, the bias ply tires of the time would barely last 20,000 miles. My 1974 Plymouth Duster came with Goodyear Polyglass bias belted tires, which lasted about 30K, very good for the time. Today’s all season radials normally last at least 60K, unless the alignment is off.

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