AD #3521 – Ford Slashes Mach-E Price in China; VW Puts EU Battery Plants on Hold; Shyft Group Introduces EV Dump Truck

March 8th, 2023 at 11:55am

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Runtime: 10:23

0:08 VW Puts EU Battery Plants on Hold
0:54 EU Helps Automakers Secure Battery Raw Materials
1:35 Price of Cobalt to Drop Significantly
3:34 Shyft Group Introduces Electric Dump Truck
5:04 VW Offers Free Emergency Connected Services
5:58 BMW Teases New iDrive System
7:09 Ford Puma ST Gets Power Boost
7:57 Ford Slashes Mustang Mach-E Price in China
8:32 NEV Sales Soar in China
9:12 Musk Says Next-Gen Tesla Will Be Almost Entirely Autonomous

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22 Comments to “AD #3521 – Ford Slashes Mach-E Price in China; VW Puts EU Battery Plants on Hold; Shyft Group Introduces EV Dump Truck”

  1. Jim Haines Says:

    No way ford is making any money at these very large price cuts on the electric cars

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    I wonder how the Ford Puma ST compares to the Dodge Hornet GT and RT. The Ford gets 170-200 Hp from the 1.5L and 1.0L engine combinations, while the Hornet gets 268-288 Hp from its 1.5L and 2.0L engines. Both have a mild hybrid version. Seems both are around that 30K price range too.
    Dodge hits 60 in 6.1 sec while all I could find was 0-62 for the Ford was in 6.7 sec. It looks like the Hornet is bigger.

    Musk would have to clarify what the next-gen Tesla is. Cause that could be years away which I totally expect it to be.

  3. Victor West Says:

    All the emphasis on electrification is an unrealistic pipe dream for large parts of North America where vast distances rule. Sparse grids and waiting hours to recharge to travel will not work. All of the $100,000 vehicles are out of reach for a lot of people outside of affluent areas.

  4. JoeS Says:

    3. As it is now I completely agree. The only real market for BEVs right now is as a second car for a suburban household to use as a commuter car. We are retiring and planning lots of road trips so I don’t know how much use our second car is going to get. I don’t see us investing in an expensive BEV and the necessary infrastructure to support it for a seldom used new second car. I hope her TourX last a lifetime?

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    3 I agree and I’m not so sure that its breaking news to anyone. I think many people are just sitting back and waiting to see what will happen. I suppose having an aggressive goal to go electric is fine but realistically it just doesn’t work for everyone and everything. I’m fine with the folks that have the extra cash to be a first adopter’s and we need those folks. We need to get cars on the road and find the gaps that need filled. This all helps the development process to improve and grow. I have no doubt that an ICE ban of 2035 will likely get pushed back. Exceptions will need to be made and I’m curious what automakers will do to fill the ICE need after a delay is given. Used ICE cars are liekly going to skyrocket in price and it will be interesting to see how it all pans out.

    Either way, one thing I’m pretty sure about is we will end up paying more for our vehicles and more to charge them and I would almost bet it will cost more per mile using an EV than an ICE by 2035.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    4 I don’t know where you live, but if you don’t have road salt, that TourX should last a long time. Even with road salt, most newer cars last ~20 before the rust destroys them.

    2 The Hornet will be interesting. The 2.0 version is thirsty for its size, with 21/29 EPA ratings, but it will be quick compared to its most direct competition. We’ll never see Puma, except when traveling in Europe.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 Fuel cost is already higher for an EV than for an efficient hybrid, if using public charging. The video about charging the Genesis at a Tesla charger showed $.49/kWh, about 3-4 times the utility rate for home charging. Electricity cost with home charging is, and will probably stay lower for EVs for years to come.

    A big factor in ownership cost that is still kind of an unknown, is long term depreciation. If a high percentage of EVs start to need new $20K batteries when they are 10-12 years old, they will depreciate quickly, and have high ownership cost if you keep the car and buy a new battery.

  8. joe Says:

    Musk is trying to manipulate the Tesla stocks again like he always does. He has been very successful in doing that. Don’t hold your breath with this new piece of news.

  9. JoeS Says:

    6. I live in the rust belt capital of Cleveland. I’ve gotten my trucks to last 12 years of daily driving until rust finally made me pass them on. Maybe a pampered life with a lot of garage time will help her TourX.

  10. victor west Says:

    #4 I am retired and travel across country a lot. If I had to recharge it would add days to a trip to see the Grandkids. EV is an urban commuter or local delivery car, not a travel or road trip option, especially in cold winters.

  11. victor west Says:

    How about a little less EV news in Autoline and more about real useful transportation options.

  12. wmb Says:

    That Puma is a great looker and I could never understand why Ford didn’t bring this version to the US. I rides on the same platform as the Escape, but has sporty, four door coupe stance in appearance. While the next Escape is getting a more dynamic styling for its med cycle refresh, the Puma, especially in ST form, still has it beat, IMHO!

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 Maybe Puma isn’t trucky enough looking for the US market. From specs I see, Hornet is ~3 inches lower than other similar size crossovers. We’ll see how it goes over. I might like it, except for the gas mileage and mandatory 4wd, but the bulk of the US market might not like it being lower.

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    11 Yes, I’d like to see a little more news on stuff other than the latest EV news. I watch daily and didn’t even know Dodge was making the Hornet. Saw it on C&D. It would be interesting to see how the Hornet the Puma the Kona or Tucson and the Rav4 compare. Even though we will never see the Puma in the states.
    I don’t think any of them are spectacular when it comes to exterior and remove all the badging and most people probably couldn’t tell the difference. All the SUV/CUV shapes are pretty basic. Although they are exploring different things with lighting in an effort to stand out but still, only so much can be done. But I still dont see my next purchase being an EV. Maybe a hybrid but we just see so little on anything other than EV news here.


    9) Find a dealer that applies NH Oil in the clear version. You go to them every fall and it is around $200 for an application. Your car will never rust, ever. Not even surface rust. That is how I handle it for the cars I care about. There is one in Norwalk, Akron, and Middlefield.

    You can also go to Ziebart in a pinch, but their coatings are not as effective as NH Oil. If you are handy and want to apply it yourself, you can do that also. Just be sure to spray through the holes on the inside rails to coat the metal internally and not just externally. Basically spray it wherever salt water is going to get to.


    14) The Hornet was shown on Autoline back when it was first announced as a vehicle slated for production by Stellantis. Now that it is in production they have not discussed it on ALD as ALD mostly discusses the future direction of the auto industry. They have another channel, Autoline exclusives, for production vehicle reviews and the Hornet may make an appearance on that channel depending on if Stellantis loans one to the Autoline team.


    14) I also believe all BEV is not going to ever happen. The end game will be a mix of propulsion technologies. Politicians right now are binary thinkers and jump from one feel good fad to another, but eventually reality wins.

  18. JoeS Says:

    15. I had a new ‘83 Pontiac that I took to Ziebart. Paid every year to have the car inspected, cleaned and rustproofing touched up. When the drivers door rusted through from the inside they denied my claim. I had to disassemble the door to take pictures that the rust had to come from the inside and not surface rust. I was able to get enough money to cover all I had spent with them over the years and enough to cover my cost if an amateur repair of the door. Not a good value. Does the NH oil drip from the car for awhile after application?


    18) It does drip for a while until it fully cures. When you take it to the stores for application they keep it for the entire day to let the product cure and stop dripping. In a home garage you would want to have a tarp underneath the car and also plan on not driving for at least 4 hours after the application. I believe it states that on the spray can. It really is fantastic stuff. I too have had bad experiences with Ziebart which I why I really don’t recommend them unless it is a last resort kind of thing.

    A lot of DIY people are happy with fluid film. That works well enough if you find the NH oil too expensive. For fluid film I would spray it in the fall and mid-winter as it has trouble staying on the car in the harsh winter conditions. Doing a second application of fluid film is not that problematic though for a DIY person.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Is NH oil known to work, like after you’ve spent $6000 for it on a 30 year old car that’s had a big dose of road salt?

    I tended to just not drive cars I cared about in the road salt when I was in Indiana. That, of course, is for those of us lucky enough to have “extra” cars beyond a daily driver.

  21. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ve been wondering where Tesla would get their 48 volts from, and I found a DesignNews article indicating that it will probably be from regulating down from the traction battery. At least it “can” be done that way. No confirmation about it, though. From the article:

    “And the cost side of the equation can be addressed in EVs by the complete elimination of the low-voltage battery. Instead, these cars can employ a power converter that steps down the high-voltage from the traction battery to power on-board systems.”

  22. Earl Says:

    3.5……You both took the words right out of my month. I’ll show a lot more interest in EV’s later in the decade.