AD #3641 – Mahindra Getting EV Tech From VW; Ford Delays MEB-Based Explorer; Nissan Axing the Altima

September 5th, 2023 at 12:17pm

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Runtime: 10:07

0:00 VW CEO Not Worried About Chinese Taking Over EU
2:09 Ford Delays MEB-Based Explorer
2:42 Mahindra Getting EV Tech From VW
3:04 VW Wants Each Brand to Have Own Design DNA
4:19 Audi Q6 e-tron is 1st PPE-Based EV
5:23 Concept CLA Shows Mercedes’ Electric Future
6:25 BMW Reveals Neue Klasse EV
7:07 Altima Sedan Getting the Axe
7:43 Nissan Delays Kicks Production Due to Theft
8:04 GM’s Cruise Keeps Expanding

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23 Comments to “AD #3641 – Mahindra Getting EV Tech From VW; Ford Delays MEB-Based Explorer; Nissan Axing the Altima”

  1. Buzzerd Says:

    I’m headed to Munich tomorrow, I doubt I’ll have time but maybe I can catch the auto show.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sorry MB I’m still confused on the use of 4-door coupe. So what exactly makes a vehicle a coupe if it’s not a 2 door?

    Seems a bit premature for Nissan to drop the Altima, but hey go ahead Nissan and place all those eggs in that EV basket. Not exactly sure why dropping a model that’s already been designed, engineered and been in production for years will somehow allow them to focus on EV models. It’s basically a manufacturing’s concern now and shouldn’t prevent Nissan from developing anything new but I guess it sounds good.

  3. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 M-B is mostly credited with inventing the term “4-door coupe” for the CLS in about 2004. To M-B and others, a downward sloping roof line makes it a 4-door coupe. They, and other companies even apply the term to expensive lifted hatchbacks, like Porsche Cayenne Coupe.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    2 Nissan seems to be copying Ford, in dropping some of their better selling products. Ford is dropping Escape, their best selling crossover, and dropped Fusion which was selling reasonably well. Also, Chrysler is dropping all of their remaining cars, to be replaced by EVs sometime in the future.

    There seems to be disagreement about what will happen with the Chevy Malibu. I’ve read different places that it will soon be dropped, and that there will be a next generation in 2025. If they keep it, they need to revive the hybrid they dropped a few years ago, and improve it.

  5. kevin a Says:

    How big is the electric MB CLA? The current CLA is pretty small, so it would be nice if the new one was roomier.

  6. Albemarle Says:

    I have totally given up on expecting body style names to be sensible. Manufacturers call it what ever they want. If it helps sales by saying it’s a coupe or a cuv, why not go for it?

  7. Albemarle Says:

    My Mother had a Lincoln, I think 1962? with 4 doors that was a coupe by MB standards (no B pillar). Huge V8. Suicide back doors. Loved that car. Change radio stations with a button on the floor, and much more.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 The common term in the ’50s-’70s for cars with no B pillar, both 2 and 4 door, was “hardtop.”

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 The convertible version of that car was one of few 4 door convertibles made, at least in my lifetime. Maybe it’s the only one from a major car company.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like the M-B A-Class, not sold in the US, will continue as an ICEr, while the CLA is going electric. The A-Class is sold about everywhere in the the world, except the US, as a hatchback and sedan. The sedan was sold in the US for a few years, but was dropped after 2022.

  11. wmb Says:

    Regarding the CLA-Class concept, the original EQS concept was gorgeous, but became the ‘okay’ and arguably not as attractive EQS production vehicle. Now we have the this concept CLA-Class…? ‘Fool once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!’ Let’s wait until we see the production the road going car!

  12. wmb Says:

    The Vision Neue Klasse EV, while attractive, it reminds me of a vehicle you’d find on a Saturday morning or cable cartoon show. Very simple inside and out and not a lot of definition, in term of shape. Quoting BMW’s CEO and head designer of the concept, AutoCar and Car and Driver mentioned that the brand patterned the vehicles look after exterior styling of the brand’s original, Neue Klasse of the 1960’s. While the 60’s look may be apparent, appealing and the right direction to go in, removing much of everything else (save for those huge ugly grills), while going them a fresh start, IMHO, gives up a lot of good that some have come to associate with the brand as well! While I’m a BMW fan for life and excited about their ICE AND BEV futures, I can’t help but be highly interested and a little nervous about the styling direction of their upcoming vehicles. Exciting times indeed!

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A week or so ago a friend had a 5 series loaner, and that is maybe the only current BMW that they haven’t uglified the front end of.

    The only 4 wheeled BMWs I’ve had are Minis, and they haven’t messed them up too badly.

  14. wmb Says:

    Regarding VW’s direction to their brands to have more of an individual look, IMHO, it is only Bentley, Porsche and Bugatti that consistently maintain a look that is all their own. There is a lot of carry over between much of their other mass market brands and at times you can see a lot of Audi influence in Lamborghini styling! I’m not saying that the designs are not good, but when the CEO of your company calls you out on it, then it must be painfully obvious from the customer standpoint!

  15. Drew Says:

    OK, please consider this distinction in bodystyle terms. Coupes, convertibles, hardtops, sedans, and wagons referred to very distinct bodystyle… particularly when combined with the number of doors. Coupes have close-coupled seating, often accompanied with a sloping roof and/or shorter wheelbase than a sedan or conventional hardtop. Hardtops and sedans often had common wheelbases… hardtops lacked door window frames (pure hardtops also lacked B-pillars). Hardtops and sedans were offered in both 2-door and 4-door configurations. Even wagons had variations… 2-door vs. 4-door, sedan vs. hardtop vs. pillared hardtop.

    Too often people used the term “coupe” for a 2-door bodystyle… but many 2-doors were very common with 4-doors… same wheel base, similar roofline, similar couple distance.

    So, a 4-door coupe is a close-couple vehicle with less wheelbase or couple distance and a sloping roof when compared to its parental 4-door hardtop or sedan.

    I don’t claim a 4-door coupe makes sense. If a customer cares enough for independent/improved access to the rear seat, why would that customer want the poor rear seat occupant to suffer greatly reduced head room and foot/leg/knee room?!?!

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 There have been a few 4 door hardtop wagons. The ones I remember are early ’60s Chryslers.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    15 Yep, in the ’50s and ’60s, I remember “2 door sedan” being used for 2 door cars with B pillars and the same roof shape, wheelbase, and rear seat space as the 4 door versions.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The non-convertible VW Beetle was called “sedan.” At one time, “sedan” didn’t have to do with the number of doors. As Drew said, coupe generally meant closer coupled with less rear seat room. In the US, there were “business coupes” which had no back seat, and lots of storage space where the back seat would have been.

  19. Sean Wagner Says:

    If Tesla doesn’t start expanding its lineup of traditional cars :) , competitors who can actually supply vehicles are going to be making inroads.

    The reworked Model 3 is far less special now (already available here in Europe) – its main advantages continue to be the charging network and software, while outright turnoffs have been added. Little ‘details’ like missing turn signal stalks matter – it seems the Cybertruck has no outlets in the frunk, unlike competitors.

    Taking your customers for granted is never a good idea, and Tesla just can’t compete on luxury. Not sure about service.

    Something like the little, very spiffy and cheap BYD Seagull, designed by Wolfgang Egger’s team there, shows how the challenge is evolving. VW has basically been evicted from the Chinese EV market.

    What’s happening in the US with regards to monster EVs of nearly 4 tons weight reminds me of the giant land yachts that totally decoupled domestic industry from the rest of the world.

  20. Drew Says:

    Thanks Kit. I also recall wagons being available in hardtop and pillared/framed configurations. We also recall 2-door wagons like the Chevy Nomad.

  21. Lambo2015 Says:

    Thanks for the explanation, Drew and Kit. However, a small backseat or sloping roofline seems pretty subjective, I guess I just prefer the simplicity of 2 door = coupe and 4 door = sedan. I guess its not much different than calling todays wagons SUVs the only difference being ride height.


    20) Maybe Nissan had it right all those years ago when they called the Maxima 4DSC(Four door sports car). Sounds better than four door coupe.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 Chevy Nomads are highly collectible. I think some years of them are worth more than same year convertibles.

    20 There’s a big difference between SUVs, even “crossover” SUVs, and station wagons. The SUVs are not only lifted, but the bodies themselves are much taller. The closest thing available to a Camry wagon is a Highlander, and the Highlander, while the same length within an inch, is 11 inches taller, and 800-900 pounds heavier. If they made a Camry wagon, it would be the same height as the sedan, and probably weigh only 200-300 pounds more.