AD #3642 – Toyota Develops Fuel Cell Truck; Chinese EV Makers Threaten Western OEMs; NHTSA Takes Step to Force Airbag Recall

September 6th, 2023 at 1:02pm

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Runtime: 9:04

0:00 Chinese EV Makers Threaten Western Automakers
1:07 Chinese OEMs Urge More Cooperation
2:31 Chinese Reveals at Munich Auto Show
3:50 AWS & Qualcomm To Help Power BMW’s New Automated Driving System
4:36 Toyota Develops Fuel Cell Pickup Truck
5:21 NHTSA Takes Step to Force Airbag Recall
6:21 Cummins, Daimler & PACCAR Partner to Make Battery Cells

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19 Comments to “AD #3642 – Toyota Develops Fuel Cell Truck; Chinese EV Makers Threaten Western OEMs; NHTSA Takes Step to Force Airbag Recall”

  1. Lambo2015 Says:

    This is why the Chinese are smarter than Oliver Blume. They are playing the long game while Oliver is only concerned with his & (VW) current situation. Then the Germans will act all shocked when the Chinese take their lunch. How could this have happened. Just wait!

  2. ChuckGrenci Says:

    1, It partially happened when the early Non-Chinese automakers went to China for a quick buck, handed over their intellectual property and didn’t protect themselves. (and it happened to more than just the auto industry)

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    While its easy to say no one should be killed by a defective product. 2 people in tens of millions and over 14 years. Seems like a pretty low number.
    I bet more people have died from a blown tire or a hundred other things the NHTSA could take on.

    This is the problem with requiring all these air bags. Air bags pack a lot of power and as those vehicles get to be 15-25 years old how safe are they? Should anyone be held responsible for something 10 years old? Cause what this will force is a mandatory airbag replacement for anything 10 years old or more. Then how many cars will be equipped with them?

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Does Cummins make trucks? I thought they just made engines.

  5. Albemarle Says:

    3. I agree. How many are too many is a big problem. Two deaths, really?That’s amazingly statistically safe. A quick Google search states that there are 850 injury producing accidents with toothbrushes in America annually.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    3,5 I agree that two deaths is not many, with tens of millions of vehicles involved. How many people have been blinded by them? That might be more relevent for ordering a massive recall, if the number is large.

  7. ArtG Says:

    4. Kit, if you click on the link, the headline says “Accelera by Cummins…”

    Accelera: “Accelera is an energy technology leader committed to securing a sustainable future for the industries that keep the world running”

    Apparently it’s a division of Cummins. They don’t make trucks

  8. Lambo2015 Says:

    7 Cummins needs to diversify and looks like they are. I would think their stock maybe doing okay for now but has had an expiration date set on it.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    7 Thx. I looked at the Cummins web site, and they have bought, but mostly phased out the names of Onan RV generators, Holset turbochargers, and others. Diesels and natgas engines still seem to be their main products.

  10. GM Veteran Says:

    Cummins has been developing fuel cell technology for semi tractors, so being a partner in a battery making venture seems in line with their historical powertrain business. Fuel cell trucks will need a battery to be viable, just not as big a battery as the ones that are pure EVs. I see this as a step in keeping their company a major player in the heavy duty trucking industry.

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    10 I saw on the Cummins web site that they have electrolizers, useful for making fuel cells worthwhile.

  12. wmb Says:

    I don’t think the Chinese vehicles will be inexpensive by any means when they reach other shores outside of their market. Less expensive as then the home grown vehicles? Sure! Yet, even though today’s report did not include sell of Chinese vehicles in NA, the thing to watch will be transplant battery companies! Chinese vehicles many not make inroads into the US for sometime, but their battery companies will, with or without the use of rare earth minerals. What funny is that many were afraid that, with the push to EVs, the industry would be forced to go to China to get batteries for them. While those companies that the industry would be dependent on to build the batteries have been willing to build production facilities in other markets beyond their shores, the industry can not help but to still go to them for the battery tech, for the most part! I’m not saying that’s good or bad, it’s just interesting how that worked out.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    12 There is a 27.5% tariff on cars imported to the US from China, but apparently costs are enough lower that it works to impirt Buick Envision from China. Also, Lincoln Nautilus will be coming from China.

    So far, the EU has only a 10% tariff on cars from China, but that night change if/when the Euro car companies are decimated by Chinese imports.

  14. Drew Says:

    Kit, I thought I read GM gets a break on the Envision tariff based on some offsetting endeavor.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 Hmm. I don’t know. I’ll see if I can find anything. If GM gets a break, Ford will want the same for the new Nautilus from China.

  16. Bob Wilson Says:

    “As of April 2023, there were 60 publicly accessible hydrogen refueling stations in the US, 59 of which were located in California, with one in Hawaii.” Tesla built SuperCharger stations, a network, in parallel with their EVs. Toyota should do the same.

    Selling fuel cell vehicles without hydrogen stations ensures their customers will get limited use of their vehicles.

  17. Lambo2015 Says:

    Heard an interesting commercial on a Detroit radio Station this morning. A power company stated they are mixing Hydrogen with propane to make it more sustainable. I don’t know where or what applications, as that’s all that was mentioned in the commercial.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    16 I don’t see hydrogen fuel cell vehicles working for decades, for anything other than fleets, fueled at a depot. Toyota needs to forget fuel cells. For now, they just need to ramp up production of their hybrids, which are unavailable at dealers, at least where I am.

  19. QCX Says:

    3 (Lambo2015)
    There is a key piece of data missing: What was the failure rate of the inflator units that actually fired, not total units made.
    Most airbags are never fired, so there could be many failed units we don’t know about. The failed units can only apply against the units fired, which can then be extrapolated to the full inflator population.