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Episode 769 – Cadillac XTS Unveiled, New Ford Escape, GM Says SAAR Could Hit 14 Million

November 16th, 2011 at 12:05pm

Runtime: 8:43

We’ve got a couple unveils from the L.A. Auto Show. Cadillac finally showed off the new XTS, which replaces the DTS and STS in the line-up. And Ford debuted the all-new Escape, which comes with a host of new features. GM’s VP of U.S. Sales says this month’s seasonally adjusted annual rate, or SAAR, could hit 14 million units. All that and more, plus guest host Peter De Lorenzo shares his thoughts on the 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera.

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Yes, it’s me again, Colonel De Lorenzo here, the original recipe Autoextremist, bringing you a big ol’ bucket of news, a Porsche 911 review as the gravy, and maybe a mint julep for dessert for Wednesday. November 16th, 2011. But we’ll get to those fine vittles a little later because there’s something going on out in Los Angeles. Now, what could it be? . . . Oh, right, an auto show, which is where Mac Daddy is.

CADILLAC XTS UNVEILED
We’ve seen the concept, heard the rumors, and shared teaser shots, but it’s finally here. Cadillac unveiled its new XTS sedan at the L.A. show today. This big four-door will replace the ancient DTS and lackluster STS. It’s designed to go after cars like the Mercedes-Benz E-Class and the Audi A6, but it’s a little bigger than the competition. At 18 cubic feet it has more trunk space than all of them. It also offers more back-seat legroom than a BMW 5 Series . . . but then again, so does a Nissan Versa. The XTS’ mechanicals are standard GM fare. It will be powered by a 3.6-liter V-6 delivering “approximately” 300 horsepower. A six-speed automatic with “tap-shift” is the only gearbox offered. All-wheel drive will be available. Cadillac is really pushing technology; its CUE infotainment system debuts here. The car also gets magnetic ride dampers, adaptive cruise control and a battery of other safety and convenience features. The really big news about the XTS? It has great design presence on the road, and Cadillac is going to do well with it. Look for the XTS at Cadillac dealers across the U.S. and Canada in the spring.

NEW FORD ESCAPE
If you thought yesterday’s exciting Mustang news was all Ford had up its sleeve for L.A., think again. The blue oval is also showing off a brand-new Escape. This popular utility gets a clean-sheet design that’s reminiscent of the Focus, which is convenient, because they share the same architecture. This is the 10th vehicle Ford is building off its global C-platform. Not surprisingly, the Escape’s innards were also completely overhauled. Matching the avant-garde design, it gets a bucket-load of tech including the latest version of MyFord Touch. A hands-free power liftgate will also be available – a neat feature. It can be activated by simply waving a foot under the rear bumper. Three engines will be offered. The base is a 2.5-liter four-banger. Buyers can step up to a one-six EcoBoost with about 173 horsepower, but the range-topper is a 2.0-liter turbo delivering around 237 ponies. A V-6 is no longer offered. With a standard six-speed automatic trans, the 2013 Escape should deliver best-in-class performance AND fuel economy. You heard it here first, folks, the new Escape is going to be a grand-slam home run in the market. Count on it.

AUTOLINE LIVE FROM L.A.
Speaking of L.A., please, Please, PLEASE make sure you join us this afternoon at 3:00 p.m. Eastern Time for our special LIVE coverage of the show. Autoline El Presidente John McElroy has a laundry list of great interviews lined up. Some of the A-list folks he’ll be talking to include Mark Reuss, the President of GM North America; Derrick Kuzack, Ford’s Group VP of Global Product Development; and John Krafcik, the President and CEO of Hyundai Motor America. See? I told you it was an all-star lineup. Again, join us at 3:00 p.m. Eastern Time at Autoline.tv for all the action.

CHRYSLER ADDS JOBS AT TOLEDO PLANT
Yesterday Chrysler announced it will temporarily lay off workers at its GEMA plant, but today the company says it will add workers at another. According to the Detroit Free Press, Chrysler will add over 1,100 jobs at its Toledo Assembly Complex, which builds the Dodge Nitro as well as the Jeep Wrangler and Liberty. The company plans to invest $365 million in the plant to produce the next-generation Liberty.

GM SAYS SAAR COULD HIT 14 MILLION
Car sales in the U.S. have been slowly increasing this year and a General Motors executive says November could be the best month of the year. According to Bloomberg, GM’s VP of U.S. Sales says this month’s seasonally adjusted annual rate or SAAR, could hit 14 million units. This estimate also includes medium- and heavy-duty trucks. That would be a big jump from last month’s score of 13.3 million.

TOYOTA MOST LIKELY TO RETAIN VALUE
Even with all the negative press Toyota has faced over the last year or so, the resale value of its vehicles is still the best in the business. Kelley Blue Book named the brand the most likely to retain its value after five years. Subaru was number two on the list. KBB also named Lexus as the top luxury brand. Toyota was able to claim the top spot because it offers low incentives and it doesn’t have many fleet sales.

Coming up next, I test drive the finger-lickin’ good Porsche 911 Carrera.

2012 PORSCHE 911 CARRERA
I had the pleasure of driving the next-generation 2012 Porsche 911 Carrera last weekend, and if there was only one word that best captures the essence of the new 911, I can’t think of a better descriptor than the word “more.”

Slightly longer with a longer wheelbase, slightly lower and wider – especially in its front track – and most important, lighter, the new 911 – or the 991, as Porsche insiders call it, is 90 percent new from the ground up and from the inside out. And I found it to be absolutely stunning on the road, with the wider front track enhancing the 911′s “turn-in” ability while taking it to an even higher level of responsiveness.

Porsche purists are already decrying the switch from hydraulic to electro-mechanical power steering for instance, yet I found the new car’s steering to be exemplary and I took to it immediately.

But then again, is this new 911 too good? Does the technological transformation make it too comfortable and too easy to drive?

Make no mistake, though the new 911 has been made slightly more appealing to a broader spectrum of drivers, it is a machine with two very distinct personalities. Yes, you can negotiate the vagaries of urban driving with ease and with more comfort in the new car. But the moment you put your foot in it and drive it with purpose, it transforms into something much more akin to one of the factory’s 911 GT3 RS racers. A machine that is able to deliver fantastic levels of performance and blistering speed, while doing it with a level of competence unavailable in previous iterations of the iconic sports car.

For those lamenting the disappearance of some of those yesteryear qualities of the original 911s that solidified the machine’s reputation for generations to come, I’ve got some bad news: those days are gone forever. I’ve owned several of those timelessly brilliant cars and I hold those experiences and those cars dear.

But time does indeed march on, and Porsche has put a stake in the ground suggesting that they will push aside the heavy cloak of preconceived notions that hangs over the 911 when and if they deem it the right thing to do, if it will result in a better car.

And the new 911 is not just a better car, it’s the best Porsche ever built.

It’s everything they know so far. And more.

Much, much more.

And that’s the High-Octane Truth for Wednesday, November 16th.

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73 Comments to “Episode 769 – Cadillac XTS Unveiled, New Ford Escape, GM Says SAAR Could Hit 14 Million”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Austin GP likely dead. See:

    http://www.autoweek.com/article/20111116/FREE/111119900?utm_source=DailyDrive20111116&utm_medium=enewsletter&utm_term=article3more&utm_content=20111116-Game_over_for_the_U.S._Grand_Prix_and_the_Circuit_of_the_Americas&utm_campaign=awdailydrive

  2. tj Martin Says:

    FORD ESCAPE

    This will either be Ford’s biggest success in a decade , or its biggest flop . I’m guessing if they raise the prices as much as the pundits think they’re going to : it’ll be a flop . The whole point of the earlier Escapes success was the Bang for the Buck factor

    CHRYSLER

    Those jobs that are being put aside are on the FIAT 500′s engine line , with Chrysler shutting it down for the moment due to ……… big surprise now ….

    Lack of Sales

    PORSCHE 911

    Its the Camry of the Exotic Sports car World . It just keeps getting better , never loses its focus , never lets you forget who made it , is the only Year Round Use Exotic on the market and is always a joy to drive .

    Now if they’d just quit making them bigger !

    CADILLAC XTS

    Damn !!!! I still like it . Somebody please take my temperature and/or call a shrink . Somethin aint right in TjVille :(

  3. tj Martin Says:

    #1

    No fair Kit , grabbing my scoop from this morning ! LoL !

    Yep …. them Jersey Boys called it right on the nose when they said they wouldn’t be surprised if the Austin GP flopped .

    We Jersey Boys are always right . Just remember that ! Even when we’re wrong :o

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The XTS looks good, but they need something bigger to truly replace the DeVille, er, DTS. Maybe they could stretch this new car, but it might look funny.

  5. tj Martin Says:

    TOYOTA TO RETAIN VALUE

    And why would this come as a shock to anyone who pays attention to the used car market ?

    Toyota is the most consistent winner when it comes to resale value . Always has been . Probably always will be .

  6. HtG Says:

    resistance futile. off topic. NSFW.

    http://www.businessinsider.com/siri-parody-2011-11

  7. tj Martin Says:

    # 6

    Ahahahahaha !!! Too funny !

    Thank my lucky stars I only need to upgrade to the 4G and not the 4GS to get the WQXR app

    Phew !

    ( FYI ; I hate the idea of my SmartPhone talking to me as much as I hate cars doing so )

  8. GPL Says:

    The Austin race was a hail-Mary from the start. Too many parties involved. Too much reliance on government funds. Odd location.

    Too bad. I have a very good friend in Austin that I intended to visit in conjuction with the race. It is probably best for Texas taxpayers that it falls apart now, though, because it is unlikely that the money would be recovered from other revenues.

  9. tj Martin Says:

    FORD gives GM the …. well ….. middle digit ?

    http://www.bangshift.com/blog/Nuclear-War-2013-Shelby-GT500-to-Have-650hp-200-Mph-Capable.html

    Both to the Camaro ZL1 as well as the Corvette ZR1

    Balls in your court there GM . Cause Ford done caught you unawares .

    ————–

    @ GPL -Same here only add several ‘ associates ‘ as well as the Lone Star VOC that was gonna have a shin dig during race week

    All reports saying it was the inability of two massive egos to work together that caused the races demise . Wonder how this’ll effect the MotoGP and WSB race now ?

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seemed like I was hearing that it would be had to get to the Austin venue from the get-go. Of course, Bernie would have had no problem in his helicopter.

  11. GPL Says:

    “CADILLAC XTS Damn !!!! I still like it . Somebody please take my temperature and/or call a shrink . Somethin aint right in TjVille”

    I like the looks too, but remember the SRX. You still have plenty of time to hate it after you drive it.

    On which platform is this thing built?

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    “On which platform is this thing built?”

    Epsilon II

  13. tj Martin Says:

    @10 – Yep – One road access and at present Zero Public Transit
    It was going to be a transportation nightmare at best .

    @ 11- Smart acre ! :o What’er ya tryin ta do … rain on my parade or something ? Or do you just know me too well as well as knowing something about the XTS that I don’t know ?

    ( sheesh , finally see a Caddy design [recent] I like and some smart acre has to go ruining it all for me . Snif . Where’s my Mercedes Teddy Bear ? I’m gonna go sit in a corner and pout for awhile . Dad burned party pooper )

  14. tj Martin Says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/17/world/europe/monti-forms-new-italian-government.html?hpw

    Yeah , this will fix things . Not !

    First the PIGS , Then Italy . France closing in fast with Germany coming from behind .

    Can anyone say ;

    Demise of the EuroZone ?

    Talk about massive egos not being able to work together . Not that they ever could or did . Who’s brilliant idea was the EuroZone anyway ?

  15. pedro fernandez Says:

    #6 Good thing Steve Jobs didn’t get to see this, Ford Escape looks like every other small SUV in the market and sales will drop if the price goes up.

  16. Lex Says:

    That Caddy XTS is going to be a bomb in the US, but a real Home Run in China! Look at that grill.

    That new Ford Escape sure looks like a Hyundai Tucson, especially for the rear!

    Toyota has become a cookie cutter car company.
    Look at the new Camry and Corolla for example.
    From the side they are almost identical, the only difference them are the proportions. Bland basic design just in two different sizes.

  17. Tony Gray Says:

    I guess one of these days I actually have to drive a 911.

  18. JB Says:

    Mr. DeLorenzo! Great show!

    and I look forward to 3pm EST time and tuning into the LA Autoshow coverage with Autoline.tv…

    You guys are the best and its also interesting to hear your review of the iconic 911 S and that GM suggests the SAAR could hit 14 million units..

    Whats good for GM is good for america..(economy that is)

    PS..can’t wait till Mr. Ruess’s interview today and I hope you can convince GM to give you a Camaro ZL1 to review. I read somewhere and it does get a little tedious..that the new ZL1 camaro at 55 large can lap the “RING” as fast as or within a second of this new and very impressive 911 S you reviewed today.

    I realize they are very different types of vehicles yet both are an excellent choice for auto enthusiasts in todays market ..or at least for 2012!!!!

    Make mine RED!!! (either car)

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    ” Bland basic design just in two different sizes.”

    …but I’m already tired of the new Hyundais, but the Toyotas look just fine to me.

  20. MJB Says:

    @2 – tj
    I’m glad you explained yourself with that Camry comparison. That didn’t start off good.

    @6 – HtG (& #7 response)
    Hilarious!

    C’mon tj, you don’t like the thought of Siri? You probably had a similar reaction back in 1968 to HAL. You gotta get with the times my man. Just put down the abacus and back away slowly. Slowwwwwwly……Good.

    On that new Ford Escape – Note to Toyota: When you claim to have updated 90% of a vehicle for it’s new model year (Camry), follow Ford’s lead and make it actually LOOK like new sheet metal.

  21. HtG Says:

    Autosport reports Bernie E. says the Austin F1 will be dropped, “…for sure, 100 percent.”

    http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/96270

    Brinksmanship? Please?

  22. MJB Says:

    Yesterday’s discussion topic extended here:

    Concerning keyless entry and (push-button) start systems in cars. It seems easy and convenient enough to unlock, enter and start a car with these systems. But does anyone make one that will automatically lock the car doors (and arm the system) keylessly once you’ve walked away?

    My thinking here is that if they’re making it so care-free that you can enter and start a car without touching the key, why not make it so for securing the car when you exit it too?

    Make sense? Is any automaker doing this?

  23. GPL Says:

    tj, sorry. Didn’t mean to rain on your parade. I don’t know any more than you about the XTS, I just remember that you were optimistic with the SRX but then disappointed.

    At least this should be a more cohesive package from the start. As I understand it, the SRX is a one-off platform that took a lot of parts from the GM parts bin.

    If the XTS is built on the Epsilon II and using the 3.6 DI engine, both of which have already been proven to be decent, it should be a solid product from the start. The magnetorheological shocks should make it better. Should. But there’s always the chance they could screw it up. Here’s to hoping they got it right.

    Perhaps a good sign is that they didn’t drop a V8 in it from the start. It seems GM tends to screw things up when they design something from the start to cram in the biggest engine they can imagine they’d ever want. I think I remember reading that the ATS project suffered from engine bloat.

  24. tj Martin Says:

    @ MJB

    Tell you what . Here’s the deal . You step away from the Darkside and come over to the Light ( Apple ) and I’ll consider dealing with an electronic gizmo with a voice that’s straight out of ” 2001 A Space Odyssey ” , that’s constantly annoying you ( GPS ) almost always incorrect ( joke here is the street I live on which has been in KC since 1912 still doesn’t register on any GPS even GARMIN’s thats right down the road from me ) etc etc etc …….

    On second thought . Keep the unreliable and miserable to use PC . I HATE ELECTRONICS that Talk to you

  25. tj Martin Says:

    @ 21- Not till I get my Kudos for being there FIRST dad burn it

    @ GPL – I was jes funnin ya . FYI the SRX is not built on a bespoke platform . Thats just internet Myth and GM propaganda to divert your attention from what the SRX really is . Hint Hint ;-)

    @ Tony Gray – Why yes you should 8)

  26. tj Martin Says:

    #22

    The system in the C6 does . Supposedly . Either that or the doors lock after a specific period of time

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #22,
    ” But does anyone make one that will automatically lock the car doors (and arm the system) keylessly once you’ve walked away?”

    My Prius locks the doors when you touch the front of the door handle after getting out of the car. I assume all keyless start systems do something similar.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It never just locks the doors on its own. When I have the car in my garage, I don’t lock it, and it remains unlocked.

  29. MJB Says:

    @#24 tj

    Funny you should offer up that compromise my friend. Funny you should.

    Because just 2 days ago I happened to have come over to the dark side of the force and placed an order for an iPhone 4s (albiet, for my wife, not me).

    So, ahhh, it looks like you’re gonna be buddying up to Siri sooner than later. lol

  30. MJB Says:

    @27

    That’s pretty darn nice. So it’s got some sort of sensors embedded in the door handles…

    Sweet.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    To me, the biggest problem with the XTS is that it will drive pretty my like a LaCrosse, but cost $10-15K more. In the pictures, though, I really like the way the Cadillac looks.

  32. pedro fernandez Says:

    Toyota has high resale value ALSO because they’re built better, to be more durable and reliable, What’s this bias against Toyota here?

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #30,
    Yeah, I think they are capacitive. They are in the non-moving part that the handle hinges to at the front edge of the handle. I think the sensors are capacitive. There are two sensors, one on the top, and one on the bottom. Normally, the doors lock just by touching one of them, but if you are wearing gloves, it works better touching both.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #32,
    I don’t have a bias against Toyota. We may be in the minority here, though.

  35. pedro fernandez Says:

    Writers and bloggers all over the internet auto sites are gushing over the new Escape which I predict will be a sales flop, just like the Focus. Mucho dinero my amigos, Ford is trying to move themselves into Honda territory with their premium prices and many people are just not buying it, (sorry of the pun)

  36. Jon M Says:

    Well all those who tried to bring down Toyota with such bogus claims of poor quality must be pulling their hair out right about now. They should, all that unintended accleration BS was just that, BS. Bland they may be, but better built they are nonetheless. And while I sure like more flavor in my vehicles than the vanilla varieties of Toyota, at least they’re rock solid in terms of quality.

  37. T. Bejma Says:

    #22

    Don’t know about the other guys but GM has “Enhanced” key fobs on several models. It’s usually the vehicles with the push button start. The remote can be programmed, through the DIC, by the owner, to lock the doors when you walk away (based on proximity) and unlock them when you come back. I think the latest CTS may a have been the first, but now even Buick has it.

  38. merv Says:

    Really enjoyed your road test,and some spectacular scenery to go along with it. Cheers!

  39. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    I’m with you in betting that FORD just shot themselves in the foot with the new Escape . ” I could be wrong now … But I don’t think so ”

    Count me in amongst the Toyota cheering section as well . the only thing I’ve got against them is too many blind spots in their current range of SUV’s ( Lexus is even worse ) As well as the couple of Lexus’s that are in fact nothing more than gussied up Toyota’s in a fancy package

    ———-

    @ MJB – Sorry mate , buying an Apple product for the wife doesn’t count

    I said YOU have to step away from the Darkside , dump the PC , come to the Light and replace your computer with an Apple

    Nice try though ;-)

    ( don’t you just hate yourself T. Bejima for teaching me how to call up the Smily Faces ? LoL )

  40. tj Martin Says:

    @ pedro

    Add to my dislikes of Toyota , their obsessions with Hybrids

  41. tj Martin Says:

    #15

    Actually I’d bet had Steve Jobs seen that he’d of laughed his head off like the rest of us .

  42. pedro fernandez Says:

    Tomorrow I got a client at a Fiat store that I was not even aware existed, great promoting, no wonder their sales are in the tank! Anyways I will sit in the car and try not to snicker so I don’t offend client.

  43. cwolf Says:

    The Escape will be a good seller IMO. The old one had gotten a bit too big. If correct,this one is shorter,wider and has better mpg’s. What sucks is the lie Ford told about offering this in a diesel. Then they prolly lied about the fuel ecomomy,as well. Shucks!!!
    And you,tj,took the air out of my balloon! The Chry. eng. plant in Dundee,Mi. is cutting back for Fiat reasons.Hey,the plant is only about 15 min. from me. Gee,there is something near me besides farm land! And the Toledo plant will add-on as bargained,but thoughts of even greater investments the year or two following have been axed for now.
    Kit,(from yesterday): Insta-clear was troublesome and costly. I had mine repaired twice near the end of the warranty. The lead,contained in a little plastic box on the firewall, into the windshield would corrode. I coated the box with undercoat after drilling a larger breather hole in the bottom. That cured the problem. It was a good device,but the timer was not often long enough. It best performed on sleet when driving,but to a lesser extent on slush.
    I am one who could be sold on that terrific looking Caddy only if it was smaller.

  44. cwolf Says:

    The car guys better enjoy the SAAR of 14 M units,if it happens,cause the Euro-road is on a downward slope and even Asia can’t stop the momentum!

  45. pedro fernandez Says:

    Well guys it’s good to see that some things stay the same. Motor Trend just awarded the insignificant, weak selling VW Passat car of the year, in the article they praise value, driving dynamics, room, etc but no mention of its biggest shortcomings, reliability and durability, I mean really how many old Passats do you still see on the road? Most of them are no longer operational, so much for value.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    @cwolf,
    Thanks for the info on instaclear. When I was in Indiana, it sounded so good that I almost bought a Taurus, even though I was working for GM. It sounds like it had, uh, issues.

  47. Kit Gerhart Says:

    More keyless-go info:

    It looks like I am not very observant about my own car. Contrary to what I posted earlier, the places you touch to lock the car are on the actual door handle, not a piece it is hinged from. Also, the driver’s door unlocks when you touch the handle, not before, and not after it moves.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #45,
    The thing about the Passat that stands out, is that you can get it with the TDI, and and even with a manual transmission. Time will tell how bad, or good the reliability is, but were there really any outstanding cars that were new for the 2011 model year? I guess many people would say some Hyundais should have won.

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I meant 2012, not 2011.

  50. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #45,
    Motor Trend does, indeed have a “checkered past” in selecting cars of the year. among them are Vega, Renault Alliance, and Aspen/Volare. Some would consider the 2011 winner, Chevy Volt, to be in the same category, but I’m still “wait and see” on that one.

    Many, or most of their selections have made sense, though.

  51. tj Martin Says:

    @ HtG

    If’n yer pokin yer nose in this mornin

    Notha Book recommend

    Don’t know why I didn’t think of telling you about this one earlier ;

    ” Hot Rod ” ; by Brock Yates

    The story of ‘ The Eliminator ‘ the American Hot Rod that was slappin it to the EuroSnobs back in the day on their own playing field ( road racing )

    Fascinating story as well as an insight to the creativity and resourcefulness of the American Hot Rodder . Well written as well .

    ————

    #50 I’m fairly convinced that like Jay Leno of late , MT was …… ahem ………… compensated for their ‘ Endorsement ‘ of the (re)VOLT(ing)

    I might be wrong , but in light of MT’s previous record I wouldn’t bet on it 8)

  52. tj Martin Says:

    New Passat

    To sum things up in a nutshell

    ZZZZZzzzzzzz…………

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #51,
    I doubt that MT was paid to name the Volt COTY. One of their guidelines for the award is that the car be “significant,” and Volt is certainly significant in being the first plug-in hybrid with any usable electric-only range.

  54. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If the new Passat is reasonably reliable, and if VW dealers can improve, the car should do ok. The car is roomy, the interior is nice, at least in the upper trim level car I saw at a dealer, and the availability of the TDI sets it apart from the crowd.

  55. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit that’s a lot of IF’s I read reviews on the new Passat and just like the Jetta, they softened the suspension and cheapened out the interior to make it more like the Camry’s of the world, I find it ironic that while every one makes fun of the Toyota boring appliance reputation, others are following them in the same road they’ve been on for many years. Now if they can only get the reliability up, I can’t understand why they can’t, H/K have managed to do to the point where they’re ranked higher than brands that have been around forever.

  56. tj Martin Says:

    # 53

    That’s what MT would like you to believe , but the facts don’t quite line up too well amongst those in the know , especially when looking at the majority of their so called COTY choices in the past

    Remember that article I posted the link for a bit ago

    You ( the subscriber/reader ) are the ‘Product ‘ to be sold to the advertisers , not the other way around .

    The best way to ‘Sell ‘ you to them is to convince you how wonderful their product is in spite of the fact that it like the VOLT is a total sham

    A reminder ;

    Lie #1 The VOLT was supposed to be a Hydrogen Cell platform with interchangable bodies . Thats was the VOLT Lutz promoted . It isn’t

    Lie #2 The VOLT was then promoted as an E/V . Again it isn’t being in fact an Electric Motor Biased Hybrid ( Edmunds ALD State of CA etc )

  57. pedro fernandez Says:

    Let’s see Jay put a Volt in that multi-miilion dollar garage of his and have the damned thing burn all those wonderful cars to hell. Then we’ll see his endorsement.

  58. tj Martin Says:

    New Passat revisited

    Everything I’m reading about the POS is that its been cheapened, dumbed down and all around lacking in quality due to all the cost cutting VW has done . The ride is rough , the interior blatantly cheap , the new motors weak , the tranny inconsistent .

    Seems to me the only IF is to see IF the consumers are dumb enough to buy the new Passat .

  59. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The interior is a lot better than in the Jetta, but not as nice as the old Passat.

    I agree that there are a lot of “ifs.” The only reason I would possibly consider the car is for the TDI. Still, in the unlikely event that I ever want a generic front-drive sedan, Camry would probably be at the top of my shopping list.

  60. tj Martin Says:

    #57

    My thoughts exactly .

    How much you wanna bet JL keeps the VOLT in a separate unit ?

  61. tj Martin Says:

    “The interior is a lot better than in the Jetta, but not as nice as the old Passat.”

    Thats not what I’ve been reading . Most are saying this new Passat has the worst interior from VW in ages .

    Haven’t bothered to look at one first hand , but all reports I’ve read so far are completely negative . One went so far as to call the new Passat a clunker . Eeek

  62. pedro fernandez Says:

    Yes, like a rebellious, volatile adopted son. In the dog house.

  63. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #61,
    I don’t know what you’ve been reading, but TTAC, while giving, at best, a mixed review doesn’t say it’s worse than the Jetta. See:

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/08/review-2012-volkswagen-passat-tdi-sel-premium/

    Among other things, Karesh says “the materials inside a Ford Fusion or Toyota Camry are little if any better.”

  64. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #58,
    Here’s Karesh on the V6 Passat. While not too positive, it’s not horribly damning either.

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/09/review-2012-volkswagen-passat-v6-se/

  65. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Again, tj, what are the reports you have been reading that are “completely negative”?

  66. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Edmunds, on the 2.5 manual Passat:

    http://www.edmunds.com/volkswagen/passat/2012/road-test.html

  67. T. Bejma Says:

    #57

    Hey pedro, Jay does have a Volt. Didn’t you see the article where he has put 11,000 miles on it without putting a drop of gas in it.

  68. T. Bejma Says:

    I drove one of the new Passats (quite excitedly because I like the euro ride) for a handling comparison at our Milford Proving Grounds and I have to say I came away disappointed… They must have Americanized the handling because the Hyundai Sonata and the Malibu I compared it against were better…

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    “And the new 911 is not just a better car, it’s the best Porsche ever built.

    It’s everything they know so far. And more.

    Much, much more.”

    Peter, your pronouncement scares me. “Much, much more than they know?” Is it just a coincidence that this suggest that the “Peter Principle” is in play here?

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