Episode 863 – Ford & PSA’s Diesel Divorce, NissanConnect, Father of the Porsche 911 Passes Away

April 6th, 2012 at 12:00pm

Runtime: 10:33

Ford and Peugeot-Citroen are ending their partnership for building larger diesel engines. Nissan just announced a new automotive communication system called NissanConnect that will debut on the 2013 Altima. Ferdinand A. Porsche, designer of the iconic 911 sportscar and grandson of company founder Ferdinand Porsche, has passed away. All that and more, plus John McElroy has the latest reveals from the New York Auto Show.

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I’m back! Michelle Krebs here from Edmunds.com. Yessir, I survived the New York Auto Show – TWO whole days in Manhattan. I hope John’s fared as well. He’s been running around all week! Anyway, this is Autoline Daily for Friday, yes, FRIDAY the 6th of April, 2012. And we’ve got a big ole’ bucket of news so let’s get rollin’.

Ford and Peugeot-Citroen are ending their partnership for building larger diesel engines. The two have collaborated on diesels for the past 12 years, but now say they will independently develop and build diesel engines larger than 2.0-liters. The decision will not have an impact on current production. According to Bloomberg, Peugeot says the move is NOT related to its new partnership with General Motors. Yeah, like we believe that!

Electric vehicles don’t make much noise when moving, and that poses a danger for pedestrians, especially those that are visually or hearing-impaired. That’s why automakers are working on simulating engine noises in EVs in order to make them safer. Audi just developed what it calls e-Sound for its future electrics. Acoustic engineers created a sound that’s similar to a combustion engine. It plays through a loudspeaker attached underneath the car. The company is currently showcasing e-Sound on an electric version of the R8 but says every EV model will have its own unique sound.

Here’s a clever accessory for your car. Called the Kiss-u Tissue Tube, it’s a tissue box designed to fit in your cup holder. According to the Detroit News, it was created by Amy Davis as part of a school assignment to make and market a product. The stay-at-home mom, who went back to school for her MBA, was inspired to make the tissue box after a couple of close calls when leaning over to get tissues from the passenger seat. Her invention is being test marketed in some Walgreen’s stores and will likely be available nationwide later in the year. You can buy it online right now for just under $8.

Again, it’s Friday, which means it’s time for another episode of Autoline This Week. Joining John for the show are two journalist colleagues – Steve Finlay of WardsAuto Dealer Business and Ed Lapham from Automotive News. His special guest is Jeremy Anwyl, the Vice Chairman of Edmunds.com. Go team! In the following teaser, Jeremy talks about what new-vehicle shoppers expect from dealers and how that’s drastically different from the level of service that’s actually delivered.

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Advanced infotainment systems are practically mandatory in today’s vehicles. As smartphones and other high-tech devices become mainstream, drivers expect more connectivity in their rides. Keeping up with the Fords, Toyotas and Cadillacs, Nissan/Infiniti just announced a new automotive communication system called NissanConnect. Google, Pandora Radio and Intel are partners on this project. NissanConnect will debut on the 2013 Altima, which should start arriving at dealerships this July.

Ferdinand A. Porsche, designer of the iconic 911 sportscar, has passed away in Salzburg, Austria. He was 76 years old. The news came out in an official company release, and so far no cause of death has been given. Often known as F.A. or “Butzi,” his childhood nickname, he was the grandson of company founder Ferdinand Porsche. He started working for the firm way back in 1958. His legacy will be felt for years to come because the 911 is a performance benchmark for sports-car builders around the world.

In happier news, we’ll wrap-up the 2012 New York Auto Show. Stay tuned . . .

Boy, this year’s New York Auto Show is HUGE! I think there have been more significant reveals in Manhattan than there were in Detroit! With the latest update from the show, here’s John.

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21 Comments to “Episode 863 – Ford & PSA’s Diesel Divorce, NissanConnect, Father of the Porsche 911 Passes Away”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Looks like GM may luck out and get some ‘free’ diesel designs……thanks Ford.Not that it will benefit American auto buyers.

    Nissan connect,yet another system that does the same thing…but differently.I see a time when it will boil down to one system fits all at least for American consumers……I hope.Remember the vhs/betamax wars?

  2. Chuck Grenci Says:

    R.I.P. Ferry; while never a dedicated member of the ‘mark’ (myself), there is no denying the 911′s positive effect on the sports car world. Godspeed.

  3. HtG Says:

    GA, I believe the key battle for in car electronics is between Intel and ARM. Most mobile devices today are ARM, like phones and tablets. That Intel got the design win with Toyota is the news here, since the two architectures, Intel’s X86 and ARM’s RISC, are not compatible.

  4. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ HTG: I know,that’s why my comment on the old vhs vs sony’s betamax etc.Someone somewhere needs to make a decision as to what system will prevail so all this stuff will be easier on the consumer.

  5. HtG Says:

    The Intel/ARM battle is complex. ARM designs low cost low power processors which are developed into chips by companies like TI, nVidia, Qualcomm, Renesas, etc. Those chips are made into silicon products at contracted foundries like Global Foundries and TSMC. Meanwhile, Intel designs and manufactures chips for PC and server markets, making big margins which fund further R&D. Intel is a couple of years ahead in manufacturing tech.

    The Auto market is but a small part of the coming conflict between the rivals. Eg, Microsoft will introduce two versions of its next Windows OS, one for Intel and one for ARM. There are rumors Apple may move the Mac line over to ARM(show me). The risk to Intel is that the lower prices of ARM based computers will compress the margins that are critical to its business model. The risk to ARM is that Intel will successfully move into mobile devices like phones and tablets

    Over the next few years, we shall see. The mind boggles.

  6. EdK Says:

    Glad to see Ram advancing the state of the art for pickups, I’ve been wondering for years why the automakers didn’t use air ride suspension at least in the rear for the pickup trucks since most go down the road with no load and stiff rear springs for any load that might go there someday. Kudos Chrysler. Wish they would have given the mileage figures for the V-6 with the 8 speed auto trans. Do you know what they are projected to be John?

  7. Jon M. Says:

    Dang! If I could only make it to the New York International Auto Show. But great coverage, John. There looks to be a lot of interesting new cars coming out just as I’m starting to shop for two new ones myself–and add to the closely watched SAAR.

  8. W L Simpson Says:

    E Sound is just another engineer trying to justify his existence. The only sound that emanates from gas guzzlers today is tires on
    textured surfaces.

  9. pedro fernandez Says:

    Yeah, air suspension worked really well on both Lincolns and Cadillacs, I’m sure they’ll be just as durable on the heavy payload trucks

  10. Jon M. Says:

    I’ll be interested to see as well how Toyota starts designing newer models. Akido Toyoda is an auto enthusiast and has promised to make the line up more interesting. Certainly they’re well advised to keep listening to their customers over the critics. And while the new Avalon revealed isn’t sports car striking, I can’t imagine anyone who shops for such a car desires such appeal. At the same time, I’m sure Chrysler is also hoping for a runaway sales success against its cross-town rivals with the new Ram pickup.

  11. C-Tech Says:

    @ #9
    If you look at the system Chrysler uses now compared to the old Lincoln and Cadillac systems, the Chrysler system (which is also used on the Jeep Grand Cherokee) is a closed system using nitrogen gas pumped into the system. The Lincoln and Cadillac systems were open systems which pumped outside air, and all its contaminates, into the system. This caused the old struts and bags to get dust and water build up which caused them to fail from the inside out.

  12. Andrew Charles Says:

    Ford and Peugeot already have separate 2.2 L diesels which they are supposed to share, except in practice they don’t. Ford uses their 2.2 L Puma diesel, and Peugeot uses their DW12 2.2 L diesel. Ford’s was meant for commercial vehicles and in the end was not fully utilized by Peugeot, who share their vans with Fiat and tend to rely mostly on the IVECO F1 3.0 L 4-cylinder, or the 2.0 L DW10, and Peugeot’s was meant for large cars which neither company sells many of (Jaguar probably uses most of them in the XF). The only other larger diesel is the Lion 3.0 L V6, which is pretty much only used by Jaguar Land Rover, no longer owned by Ford. This decision is pretty much an acknowledgement of how things are, not a reaction to the GM/PSA co-operation agreement.

    GM does of course have a 2.2 L diesel they use in crossovers, but as at PSA it is being squeezed out by a new version of their 2.0 L diesel; and the Duramax 2.5 and 2.8 L diesels would replace the IVECO F1, not a Ford engine, if and when they decide to build large vans together.

  13. Andrew Charles Says:

    Tissues in a tube for a cup-holder? I’m surprised this is new over there. Kimberly-Clark has been selling Kleenex tubes in Australia for two years now. They cost about $1.50. At nearly $8 I’m afraid the Kiss-U tissue tube is dead in the water.

  14. Andrew Charles Says:

    The division between the Peugeot DW12 for passenger vehicles and the Ford Puma for commercial vehicles seems particularly arbitrary—they both operate over the same speed range, and indeed the DW12 produces much more torque than the Puma 2.2 L. The 2.2 L version of the Puma was itself adapted from an existing Mazda 2.2 L (just as the 2.0 L Puma was based on a Mazda design) which, like the Peugeot DW12, was designed to produce more power for cars such as the Mazda6 and CX-7.

  15. pedro fernandez Says:

    Most of the failures of the air systems was due to the cars being lifted w/o releasing the pressure valve as indicated, an unfortunate thing to happen and a very costly one as well.

  16. C-Tech Says:

    @ #15
    As a technician looking at a variety of used cars, ahhh no. Even if you forget to flip the switch on a Lincoln, it just becomes a hassle to get the suspension to lift the vehicle off your hoist when you lower it. Those accidental lowrider Mark VIII and Continentals are internal failures.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Thanks for the info on those diesels. Do they use the ones you mention in Australia, as well as Europe?

  18. pedro fernandez Says:

    #16 kills any resale value, I suppose? in my in-laws Caddy, it was too expensive to repair, it made the car ride and handle like crap, ended up junking it.

  19. C-Tech Says:

    @ #18
    True. It becomes a “mechanics special” On the 93-96 Continentals you can buy a kit which replaces the air suspension system with regular struts. Its made by Monroe.

  20. KEVIN Says:


  21. Chuck Grenci Says:

    For (some) cars with airbags (that have failed), a cost effective solution may be Strutmasters; from 200 to about 500 dollars the airbags can be replaced with strut’d springs.