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Episode 1057 – Dodge Dart Struggling, More EV Discounts, The Bi-Annual Styling Change

January 25th, 2013 at 11:42am

Runtime: 7:35

Dodge is chopping production at one of its engine plants as sales of the Dart continue to disappoint. Ford is the next in a line of automakers to offer deep discounts on its electric vehicles. Could a bi-annual styling change become the norm for the industry? All that and more, plus a preview of Autoline This Week with the Lincoln Motor Company’s Matt VanDyke.

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Hey folks, it’s Friday and there ain’t nothin’ wrong with that. But, lest you think we’re resting on our laurels, we’ve got a preview of Autoline This Week and the first Autoline Poll of 2013! But before we get to that, let’s launch headfirst into the headlines.

MORE EV DISCOUNTS
First it was the LEAF, then the Volt and now Ford is offering huge discounts for the Focus EV — nearly $11,000 off a three-year lease. The base price dropped $2,000 for cash sales, which lowers the price to about 38 grand. Plus if you finance the car through Ford Motor Credit you get an additional $2,000 cash discount. Ford only sold around 700 Focus EVs last year despite building over two times that amount.

DODGE DART STRUGGLING
And speaking of cars that are struggling, it looks like Dodge Dart is definitely in trouble. Chrysler just eliminated a shift at its Dundee Engine Plant which builds engines for the Dart. Sales of the car have been disappointing, and if Chrysler is chopping production of the engine, that means they don’t see sales picking up anytime soon.

THE BI-ANNUAL STYLING CHANGE
Back in the 1950s and ‘60s, automakers had the annual styling change, where they would change the styling on their cars every year. But as they introduced more and more new models, that started to slip. Today they typically refresh every four years, in some cases even five. But Jeep is refreshing the Grand Cherokee and the Compass after they’ve been in the market for about two years. Mike Manley, the CEO of the Jeep brand, tells me they’re going to start refreshing their vehicles more frequently going forward. They may not go back to the annual styling change, but look for a refresh about every two years. And I think this could become a significant trend in the industry.

X MARKS THE SPOT
OK boys and girls, this next report is brought to you by the letter X, because when it comes to naming cars, automakers seem to love the letter X. There’s the X1, the X3, the SX4, X5, CX5, X6, CX7, RX8, CX9 and QX56. Don’t forget the XC60, XC70 and the XC90. We’ve got the xB, the xD,, EX, EXT, XF, FCX, GX, ILX, XJ, and JX, XK, MKX, LX, XL, MDX, RX, XTS, TSX, RDX, ZDX, X-Terra and XV Crosstrek. You got all that? Excellent!

CAST YOUR COR-VOTE
Earlier in the week, Peter De Lorenzo, the Autoextremist, guest hosted the show and he presented his plan for giving Corvette the shot in the arm it needs to take on the likes of Porsche and Ferrari. Part of his plan included breaking Corvette off as a separate brand that would sell distinctly different models. But, what do you think? That’s the subject of this week’s Autoline Poll. Should Chevrolet spin Corvette off as its own brand? Place your vote by clicking the link under today’s show at Autoline.tv. And, be sure to send this poll to your friends, we want to hear what they think too. Do that by copying the URL under the poll. Get going because we’ll be revealing the results on Monday!

What is Ford going to do with the Lincoln brand? Coming up next, we’ll ask the man who’s been put in charge of running it.

Matt VanDyke is the director of what they’re now calling the Lincoln Motor Company, where he will be in charge of all marketing, sales and service. So what are his plans to revive this historic nameplate? That’s exactly the question I put to him because he’s my guest on Autoline This Week.

It’s no accident that he cites Lexus for its stellar customer service. Matt VanDyke used to work for Lexus. By the way, you can watch that entire show on our website or check out your local public television listings because Autoline This Week is carried across the United States and Canada on many of those stations.

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71 Comments to “Episode 1057 – Dodge Dart Struggling, More EV Discounts, The Bi-Annual Styling Change”

  1. ColoradoKid Says:

    Bad News for VW fans as well today !

    Hate the fact that the Jetta is built in Mexico ? Been buying 4dr Golf’s instead of a Jetta to avoid Mexican Built VW’s ?

    Too bad folks . VW just announced all North American bound Golf’s will now be built in Mexico as well

    On the Vette thing . I’m with Peter 150% on this one . Fact is Chevrolet’s been making a mess of the Vette for decades ( with the only shining moment being the C6 .. though not in its quality of construction ) have completely biffed it on the C7 .. and their marketing is worse on the Vette of late than one would expect from the likes of Yugo !

    Evolve or Die when it comes to Corvette I say !

  2. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I’m glad to see Lincoln wants to improve.Now,drop the damn letter crap,revive the old names and advertise that…..a lot.People don’t talk about the ‘towncar’,or did you see the new Continental yet? Get a grip,do something wild and get back to the Lincoln core names,and QUALITY and DESIGN.

  3. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I like “Z” as my favorite (letter).

    The Dart just has run into a whole lot of competition; good car, not great.

    For me, the Jeep Grand Cherokee (front end) refresh was a step backward; opinion will vary.

    While Corvette might have been handled differently over the years, it’s been around for 60, so somebody did something right (at Chevrolet); no new brand IMO.

  4. HtG Says:

    Why give the status sniffers over at Porsche any reason to stop getting raped by their dealers? Keep it a Chevy and keep winning GT endurance racing.

  5. Bradley Says:

    All of the Detroit brands, simply need to relax. Toyota, Subaru, etc didn’t gain market share by trying to find that one halo car. They stayed true to their roots. They evolved their product offerings and people became more open to their offerings.

    I have lost count how many times a Detroit brand has declared this is the “Civic” killer, Corolla “killer”, etc.

  6. jet Says:

    I’ll up it to 200% in agreement with Peter ! Also, a price point of 60K is not going to get in younger new Corvette owners no matter how great the car is. That’s why a real Sting Ray is needed, as opposed to just a Stingray.

  7. ColoradoKid Says:

    Dodge Dart

    Based on a cheap baseline FIAT

    Everybody knew it

    Received a moniker that too many of us love and remember on a car that isn’t ( a Dart )

    Got marketed by the one company thats making GM of late looking like a bunch of geniuses in comparison

    And had Marchionne’s Seal of Approval and unending endorsement .

    Sounded like a flop from the moment it was announced . And lo and behold it lived up to all its expected potential

    #3 Take notice that Corvette sales have been on a rapid decline since the early 80′s … Survival … like ” Good Enough ” … just isn’t good enough in this current day and age

    HtG – What in the heck is you talkin about mien herr ? re; Porsche dealers ‘ raping ‘ buyers ?

  8. gmveteran Says:

    Hey! You missed the SRX!

    If Corvette as its own franchise would not have to meet the CAFE standards, then yes. If its averages cannot be rolled into the rest of GM, then no. It will need the Cruze diesel and Encore mileage numbers to offset its ratings. Unless Corvette goes high-performance electric . . .

  9. gmveteran Says:

    On the Dart, you may be jumping to conclusions. Chrysler is reducing production of one of the Dart’s engines. The same one that goes into the Fiat 500. Perhaps the early sales trends favor the other two engines more heavily than anticipated and they are simply making a correction. Dart will flourish on its own once the Avenger is phased out. Its very generous incentives make it hard to buy the Dart, even though its a much nicer car.

  10. gmveteran Says:

    OK, one more post.

    I have to agree with G.A., going back to names for Lincoln would be a really good move. No one can keep their Scrabble names straight, even FoMoCo insiders struggle with it. It will get worse as they broaden their lineup, as it has already at Cadillac.

    Also, Chuck is right on with the Grand Cherokee styling change. Really? LED’s in the headlight ensemble? Not very original for a brand that owns a very original front styling image. Just evolve what you have and you will stand apart from the crowd. No need to jump on the LED bandwagon with everyone else, unless the goal is to blend in with all of the other SUV/CUV/Crossovers out there.

  11. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Well rumor control has that the new 3.0L diesel option for only the top 3 Grand Cherokee trim levels will be around 4.5k.That would bring a top of the line 4×4 GC Summitt or Overland to well over 50 to 60k.Ouch……

  12. HtG Says:

    6 read the forums, ck. Brandie P. Is an expensive mistress.

  13. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Here’s a link: http://www.jeepgarage.org/f73/2014-grand-cherokee-ordering-information-and-pricing-52937.html

  14. pedro fernandez Says:

    Just because they’re built in Mexico, it don’t mean they have to be poorly assembled, Fusion, PT Cruiser, Fiesta, Journey, etc are fine, VW has bad quality issues wherever they’re assembled, it is the components that go bad, Dart was a disaster from the get-go dealers did not even have automatics to test drive when it was first introduced, bone head decision from the brains that run Chrysler, what did they expect? Americans were gonna embrace manuals like the Europeans?

  15. ColoradoKid Says:

    #8

    No excuses . No justification . No valid reasons other than the fact that the FIAT/Dodge Dart is a POS in its EU guise ( read the FIAT reviews overseas ) and is just as bad if not worse here ….. was marketed by a company ( FIAT SpA ) that has no clue what makes its American customer base tick …. therefore from day one the Dart has been and always will be … an Abject and Blatant ….. Failure …

    NASCAR News ;

    Hey hey …. looks like Danica Patricks been taking Hollywood ‘ casting couch ‘ lessons of late … now dating a fellow NASCAR driver . Guess if you can’t get ahead on your talents ………. ;-)

  16. Dave Foley Says:

    LOL John! Your X-emplary X-hibition of the X-treme overuse of the “X” in model naming was X-cellent! You didn’t X-clude any of them either.

    I’m no X-pert, but it X-asperates me too. I wish I could X-trapolate on X-actly where it all came from.

    You should repost the “X” story as it’s own X-cerpt. I could see it becoming a viral video X-plosion!!

    PS Special thanks to Webster’s Dictionary for help writing these comments ;)

  17. C-Tech Says:

    Dodge Dart: Good car, bad start building a bunch of manual trans cars first. Put together a value package with an automatic trans and dealers will figure out the rest.

    Too many letter-cars at Lincoln with no reason to discuss, or buy them. Pick an area to make them distinctive, after all you have to give people a reason to come to your dealerships to enjoy the amenities.

    Given that the cash to develop the Corvette comes from Impala, Cruze, Traverse, Malibu, Silverado, etc., SALES, GM BETTER PUT AS MUCH FEVER AND INDUSTRY INTO THOSE VEHICLES AS INTO Corvette. Toyota did not build the LFA and hope the Camry would be good!

  18. C-Tech Says:

    @ #15 X-cellant Dan! +1

  19. pedro fernandez Says:

    TTAC reports that Marchinne is blaming the power train choices used in the Dart for its poor showing, maybe Sergio should have shopped around for some Toyota or Honda engines to put in the Dart; that iffy 500 Ram Air or Multi air motor crap is just full of hot air. I guess it’s ok on the feahter weight 500 but too weak for the heavier Dart.

  20. motorman Says:

    GM has to make sure that anyone who buys a $50K to $100K+ corvette gets the service he would get at a M/B dealership. years ago a corvette was just a fiberglass bodied chevy with the same parts under the skin that was on a impala but no more so the corvette needs service that is just for a corvette. i can state this as i have been buying new corvettes since 1959 and a new C-7 will be corvette #12

  21. pedro fernandez Says:

    John, you forgot the most (in)famous X of all, the GM X-cars. GM’s crowning achievement.

  22. frank Says:

    I think ford made a major mistake when it sold jaguar which provided the rear wheel drive technology for earlier lincoln models. ford should consider bringing back a styling similiar to 50 years earlier, the ’62 lincoln!!

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    “Dart” is the wrong name for the current car. The old Dart, especially the ’63-’67 were the ultimate basic transportation appliance for the time. Most of them had a slant six/torqueflight power train which was reliable, and economical for the time.

    The new Dart tries to be a “sporty” compact sedan of today, with the multiple power trains available, and manual transmissions available with both available engines.

    Most people who buy cars in this segment don’t hate the Dart because Sergio had something to do with it, but they buy something else, because they want a car that is a known quantity, like a Civic or Corolla, not something new, which offers things they don’t care about anyway.

    The Dart had a poor launch, with too many manual transmission cars arriving early, kind of like Malibu had a bad launch with the mild hybrids as the early arrivals at the dealers.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #18,
    The acceleration and mpg of the Dart with the 1.4 turbo and DSG are among the best in its class, but the DSG is quirky, worse than the Ford one which has received bad reviews.

    The 2.0 with the torque converter autobox is slow, .4 second slower than a Prius, according to CR. Of cars I looked up, only the automatic Fiesta accelerates as slowly as the 2.0 Dart.

  25. pedro fernandez Says:

    People always say that the mid-size segment is the toughest to compete in, but I think the compact segment is just as hard, if not harder from Civic to Elantra to Focus I honestly think that the Dart is the weakest competitor in that group, even the Sentra has been improved.

  26. Cliff 59 Says:

    The Corvette definitely needs to be its own brand. GM also needs to stop making the body out of plastic/FRP and the frame should be unibody if they ever hope to gain acceptance internationally.

  27. ColoradoKid Says:

    Ahhhh… once again …. and for the last time hopefully ;

    Junk In ( Alfa Romeo Guilia FIAT Stilo etc ) Junk Out ( Dodge Dart )

    Heads up to you who do not pay attention to the EU/UK automotive press ( which you should be seeing as how much of their stuff they’re intending on sending us , both under their own monikers as well as rebadged )

    FIAT and its Badge Engineered counterparts Lancia and Alfa Romeo have had the worst reliability … worst long term test reviews etc etc etc of any major brand available there . Stuffing a ‘ Dodge ‘ body on top of the thing only serving to exacerbate the situation

    So put all the road tests …. CR reviews …. MW videos .. stats and statistics , yadada yadada aside .

    The Dodge / FIAT / Alfa Romeo Dart is in fact a major league pile of luke warm manure incapable of fertilizing even the smallest of fields e.g Its beyond worthless and stinks to high heaven .

    Basta ! 8)

  28. ColoradoKid Says:

    …… and recent sales prove the point !

  29. shan Says:

    I became very suspicious of the Dodge Dart when hearing completely opposed reviews from various mainstream media outlets. While some gave it glowing reviews, others said it was atrocious to drive. It became very hard who to believe and I guess low sales speak louder than words. I think Dodge tried their best to pull a fast one over consumers with a all out media campaign to market this car as the next best thing since slice bread. Seems the auto industry never learns, design, quality will always win over consumers, not B.S. to uneducated potential consumers.

  30. shan Says:

    the new Lincoln MKX is definitely a step in the right direction for Lincoln Motor Company. It’s unique and subtly gorgeous. They still need to develop their own platforms and wean itself off of sharing Ford’s tired platforms.

  31. pedro fernandez Says:

    Bottom line on the Dart: why would anyone chose this car when just about every other car in its segment is better?

  32. Phoenix Mark Says:

    John,
    You forgot all the BMW “x” versions for all wheel drive.

  33. C-Tech Says:

    @ #26
    Corvette performance speaks for itself. It is equal or better than many cars at half the price. GM does not need to make it a me-too sportscar.

  34. C-Tech Says:

    I bet dollars to donuts most of the Dart critics here have never driven one.

  35. pedro fernandez Says:

    Well, not many people could unless they drove a stick, that is how Dodge sent out its first batch of Darts to dealers.

  36. HtG Says:

    Audi has this superbowl ad contest up on YouTube. Is it me or did they just find the wrong end of the pooch?

    http://www.youtube.com/audiusa?csref=93682541267849506

  37. pedro fernandez Says:

    Now TTAC puts out an article blaming the US govt for Dart’s engine issues, are they kidding? we now blame the govt for lousy engineering as well?

  38. pedro fernandez Says:

    No wonder my son did not go to the prom, showing up in the Vibrolla Crapolla would have been pretty pathetic

  39. HtG Says:

    since when is grabbing a young woman and kissing her OK? And no date? You’re Audi for chrissakes.

    ACT LIKE A MAN!! stay home and drink

  40. HtG Says:

    Here’s a doc on Senna and McLaren. 50min, pretty pedestrian, but still

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1gvPDHr0JY

  41. XA351GT Says:

    The Dart , a decent looking car with good numbers for gas mileage. Part of it’s struggle IMO is due to the performance variants not being available yet. The 500 was floundering until the Abarth was released and gained much needed attention. Where are the Dart R/Ts and SRT 4s performance will get people to a dealership first.

    Lincoln ,yes can the alphabet soup names . They make no sense here. At least Cadillac the letters made some sense. ETC = Eldorado, DTS = Deville, STS = Seville. Also if Lincoln wants to get with the plot bring back the Mark series RWD coupe . You need a reason for people to show up at your dealerships. I sat in the new MKZ . Beautiful car inside and out. Not enough headroom in the back seat. Plenty of room up front all around. I really liked the dual level console. Everything else is yawn inspiring.

    Corvette, Is a Chevy and should always be one. They should have a small sports car like the Solstice/Sky size to get younger ,less wealthy buyers ,but calling it a Vette will dilute the name.

  42. Mike J Says:

    Just one question about these three low volume Corvettes, where is the magical checkbook that is going to pay for them?

  43. Mike J Says:

    Armchair autoexecs are always spending corporate monopoly money? Just say they did build those three Corvettes, some will still be pissing and moaning about those. Bottom line you can not please everybody, just those willing to buy your products.

  44. 426ADKMopar Says:

    I think the Dart has three main issues and none of them have to do with quality. The first issue is slow acceleration due to weight, the need for respectable gas mileage and the late to arrive 9 speed automatic. The second issue is Dodge’s absence from this segment since the Neon. The third issue is the Avenger and Chrysler 200 rebates. Stop in a dealership and you can get one of them for less money than a Dart. When the 9 speed auto and the Tigershark 2.4 arrive, the lineup will be complete and offer something for everyone.

  45. 426ADKMopar Says:

    I agree with the Autoextremist. GM should spin off Corvette. Chrysler did the same thing with SRT. This same idea would allow the division to focus on making great performing cars without having to drag along all the other models Chevrolet sells. The automotive landscape has changed and with the loss of Pontiac, GM could leverage Corvette to create cars with a greater international impact.

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #31,
    Most of what I’ve read says the Dart handles and rides better than most of the segment, and it has a better touch screen thing than most cars so equipped. Also, the interior is more attractive than most of the segment, at least according to Wards. I mostly agree on that. Still, I’d think the power trains would keep many people away. The turbo/manual power train is probably the best one, and not many Americans want manuals.

  47. pedro fernandez Says:

    When it comes to spending almost $20k of your hard-earned money on a compact class car, most people are gonna go for a known, well-established brand which explains why Civic and Corolla still do so well despite getting slammed by most auto critics.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yeah, I probably wouldn’t buy a Dart if I were buying a car in that segment, even though I buy manual trans cars. If they’d just brought over the more attractive, and practical Alfa Giullietta hatch, I might consider that.

  49. stas peterson Says:

    There is no doubt that the Dart has not been a smashing success since its introduction, 6 months ago. But Chrysler hasn’t even even started delivering their best drivetrain that WAS announced for late availability. The 2.4 liter MultiAir with the 9 speed automatic, will likely be a game changer.

    Still sales in the C-segment for Chrysler have more than quadrupled over its predecessor, the Caliber. Current sales levels has not been bad for Chrysler C-segment market penetration, at all.

    I rather expect that the Dart sales will travel the same path as the sales of Fiat 500 in the US. Launching the sale of an A-segment car in the hitherto a-segment sales resistant USA, while creating a dealer network and completing new factories, was abysmal. A year later the US market for the A-segment Fiat 500 is the largest in the World, where that popular car is welcomed and sold in over 100 countries.

  50. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Here’s a British review of the Alfa Giulietta, upon which the Dart is based.
    http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/alfa-romeo/giulietta

    Overall, they liked it pretty well, as did Top Gear testers, but both seem to consider Golf the top of the heap in that segment in Europe. Neither tests, in any way considered it an unmitigated POS, as do certain people who post here.

  51. Bob in Atlanta Says:

    #40 HtG: Thanks for that video link.

  52. blueovalblood Says:

    John, you left an X out; the FX4 (F150).

  53. kevin m Says:

    BRING BACK CLASS LINCOLN THAT’S WHAT YOU DID BEST . JUST LOOK AT THE CONTINENTAL AND THE MARK 8 THEY STOOD THE TEST OF TIME .

  54. W L Simpson Says:

    Lincoln must rise above being a lightly rebadged ford to survive. Why pay 1000′s just for leather & other interior gadgetry?
    An electric vette would be interesting ,
    with 3rd generation batts , which will not resemble anything available now.

  55. jmann Says:

    Corvette has been a roaring (had to say it) success – has done what it was intended to do. Not intended to be a major offering. Keeping everything somewhat out of sight has enormous advantages. Make money on the high volume stuff. Thanks to Ed Cole, Zora and all.

  56. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Most of you know I’m into trucks/jeeps,and not really into cars.Having said that I went and looked at pics of the 2013 Viper and lo and behold,I saw the 2014 vette!!! Unbelieveable.With a very FEW exceptions,chevy stole that frontend from viper.I just didn’t believe it until I seen it.Wow,and they have the ballz to hype that car all over the media.Jeeezz,and that head designer guy is doing a love fest with the media.I am blown away…..

  57. HtG Says:

    Today, I went to the Tesla store in White Plains, NY. I’ll have a report and photos on Monday.

  58. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #52
    Similar granted, the same (or too close), nah
    And perhaps Viper stole from Ferrari; again, resemblances there as well. IMO

    http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://gmauthority.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/SRT-Viper-vs-C7-Vette-top-on-top-582×582.jpg&imgrefurl=http://gmauthority.com/blog/2013/01/why-does-the-leaked-2014-corvette-c7-look-just-like-an-srt-viper/&h=582&w=582&sz=84&tbnid=HC0lWIa0farDaM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=97&prev=/search%3Fq%3D2014%2Bcorvette%2Bc7%2Bversus%2B2014%2Bviper%26tbm%3Disch%26tbo%3Du&zoom=1&q=2014+corvette+c7+versus+2014+viper&usg=__N4ph_mmjjRsUsh9s22UNddFjoVg=&docid=2XrEehrQkRWXxM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=1DEEUfuwDZDm9gTpk4HgBw&sqi=2&ved=0CEYQ9QEwAg&dur=18674

  59. Victor Castaneda Jr Says:

    I think the Corvette should remain a Chevy, but I do agree with Peter’s three models.

  60. Josu Says:

    It was the case here in Europe not so long ago, to not mix the Corvette with the Daewoo-rebadget Chevrolets then, they sold the Corvette in the Cadillac dealer network, and was only call Corvette, as Peter want. It didn´t worked.

    But after developing a series of models that respect in one way or another the Corvette spirit, the Solstice platform, better executed and with a V6 could had make the trick. Absolutely yes, first in export markets, and when consolidated as a brand outside, spin off in Northamerica, as Toyota made with Lexus in Japan.

  61. cwolf Says:

    The Vette should stay as it is, 2/3 will say.

    The Dart is a nice car for the money. Lot of room inside and large trunk. It just needs more pep. Now this is a project which will require a new marketing strategy to get the Dart moving. Maybe this is a better project for Peter than to re-create the entire Vette.

  62. gmveteran Says:

    Anyone who knows anything about the long lead times required of suppliers to source body panels, not to mention the gov’t certification necessary for fuel economy and crashworthiness, would know that there would be no way that Corvette designers would have been able to copy the front styling of the Viper after it was revealed and graft it onto the new Vette. Styling similarities are bound to happen, and frequently do, among all of the many different brands and models available in the market.

    That being said, I don’t expect anyone to draw inspiration from the Aztek any time soon!

  63. Dave Foley Says:

    The Dart may not be living up to some peoples sales expectations, but it was the best selling ALL NEW car of 2012. For a re entry to a segment that Dodge had been essentially absent from for over half a decade, they aren’t doing all that bad.

    And this is all being done without any halo effect that could have been gained with an SRT Dart anywhere in sight.

    http://www.allpar.com/news/index.php/2013/01/dart-was-best-selling-all-new-car-of-2012

  64. ColoradoKid Says:

    #58

    Oh for the love of god . Could you please get one single major point straight in your head good sir ?

    THE DODGE DART IS A RE-BADGED FIAT STILO/ALFA ROMEO GUILIA ! Period . Therefore ….. there aint a damn thing ‘ All New ‘ about it !!!!!

    #57 Completely ignorant of the phrase ‘ Corporate Espionage ‘ now are we ? Not to mention the Vipers snout was shown in ‘ teasers ‘ a good solid 16 months before its debut .

  65. ColoradoKid Says:

    The Daytona Rolex 24 Hours ;

    What if someone put on a race and nobody ( spectators ) showed up ….. pretty much sums up this years travesty pretending to still be a significant event

  66. ColoradoKid Says:

    Dodge DART ;

    Please …. lets get this straight once again ;

    Garbage In ( FIAT Stilo / Alfa Romeo Guilia etc ) Garbage Out ( Dodge Dart )

    Look at it this way . The Euro’s aint buyin them ( Alfa’s and FIATs ) The Brits aint buyin them . In fact aint no one buyin em that has a lick of sense .

    BECAUSE ………… Its garbage . So what makes anyone here think the Dodge/ Chrysler translation of a crap car’s gonna be any better ?

    Especially when Dodge/Chrysler translations of truly ‘ Great ‘ cars ( Mercedes Benz etc ) come out such utter ….. what was that word again ? ……. Oh yeah .

    G-A-R-B-A-G-E

    Ugh . Sometimes the level of corporate propaganda people are willing to accept at face value amazes me !

  67. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ 57: say what you will,there are way to many almost exact similarities.I have no axe to grind here,I think both cars are pretty much useless toys,but I see what I see.

  68. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that there is a lot of irrational hate here for some products from some people. The British reviews I found for the Alfa Giulietta were at least somewhat positive. The Charger and 300, based on an older Benz platform, are good cars, and are bargains, at half the price of an E-Class. The new Grand Cherokee is also a good vehicle, and a bargain compared to the Benzes built on the same platform.

  69. T. Bejma Says:

    #7

    As usual, CK’s exaggerated claims prove to be false regarding Corvette sales, they have not been on a dramatic decline since the 80′s…

    1980 40,614
    1981 40,606
    1982 25,407
    1984 51,547
    1985 39,729
    1986 35,109
    1987 36,632
    1988 22,789
    1989 26,412
    1990 23,646
    1991 20,639
    1992 20,479
    1993 21,590
    1994 23,330
    1995 20,742
    1996 21,536
    1997 9,752
    1998 31,084
    1999 33,270
    2000 33,682
    2001 35,627
    2002 35,767
    2003 35,469
    2004 34,064
    2005 37,372
    2006 34,021
    2007 40,561
    2008 35,310
    2009 26,956
    2010 22,194
    2011 13,596
    2012 11,647

    Corvette sales, as expected, have been affected by the economy based on the fact it is not a “need” but a “want” vehicle.

  70. T. Bejma Says:

    Corvette takes 5 of the top 10 finishing positions in the Rolex 24 hours at Daytona. What was that about Corvette not doing well in racing??

  71. Enn Norak Says:

    Plastic windows are a deal breaker for me. Plastic deteriorates in the sun and scratches much more easily than glass. Over 10 years ago, I bought a RAV-4 for my daughter only to discover later that the sunroof was made of plastic rather than glass. I am punishing Toyota to this day by not buying their products because they failed to disclose that the sunroof material had been changed from glass to plastic.