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Episode 1084 – Corvette Stingray Convertible, Kia provo Concept, Ferrari’s Enzo Successor

March 5th, 2013 at 11:47am

Runtime: 5:58

General Motors takes the wraps off the convertible version of the 2014 Corvette Stingray. Kia reveals a small sleek looking hatchback called the provo. Ferrari finally gives us a look at the successor to the Enzo, the LaFerrari. All that and more, plus today’s host Christie Schweinsberg takes a look at a few of the models that have impressed her for this year’s Ward’s 10 Best Interiors award.

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Hello and welcome to Autoline Daily. Today is Tuesday the 5th of March, 2013. I’m Christie Schweinsberg from WardsAuto.com filling in for John while he’s out of town. But now let’s get to the news.

2014 CORVETTE STINGRAY CONVERTIBLE
And we’ll hop on over to Europe where the Geneva Motor Show just kicked off. First up, General Motors took the wraps off the convertible version of the 2014 Corvette Stingray. It features an all-new electronic top that can be lowered with the key fob. And the top can also be opened and closed while driving up to 30 miles-per-hour. The styling remains similar to the coupe that was revealed earlier this year and its powered by the same 6.2 liter V-8 as the hardtop. The 2014 Corvette coupe and convertible will be available in global markets at the end of the year.

KIA PROVO CONCEPT
Kia revealed a small sleek looking hatchback called the provo. The concept car is powered by a 1.6 liter turbocharged, direct-injected four-cylinder gasoline engine which is mated to a seven-speed dual-clutch transmission. The rear wheels also get additional power from an electric motor which gets its energy from regenerative braking. The provo was designed in Frankfurt with the European customer in mind.

FERRARI LAFERRARI
Ferrari finally took the wraps off the successor to the Enzo, the LaFerrari. It’s kind of an odd name, but the 949 horsepower hybrid, can go from 0 to 60 mph in under three seconds and features a hand-laminated carbon fiber chassis, so who cares what the name is. The LaFerrari has been called the “maximum expression” of what defines the company which is a very fitting title because this is unlike anything we have seen from Ferrari before.

LAMBO CELEBRATES 50 WITH VENENO
In other sportscar news, Lamborghini pulled the silk back on the Veneno. A 750 horsepower supercar with more ducts, wings and hard edges than we’ve ever seen. The Veneno takes its name from a famous fighting bull from 1914 and was built to celebrate the company’s 50th anniversary. Don’t drool over this one too much though, it has a nearly $4 million price tag, only four have been built, three of which are already spoken for and the one being shown at the Geneva show is headed straight to the Lamborghini museum.

VOLKSWAGEN GOLF VARIANT
Volkswagen debuted the new wagon version of the Golf, called the Golf Variant. It’s got more passenger room than the previous model and is up to 230 pounds lighter. The design of the Variant is the same as the hatchback up to the B-pillar. It’s powered by a variety of turbocharged gasoline and diesel engines with direct injection. The engines can be mated to five and six-speed transmissions as well as a dual clutch transmission. The Golf Variant goes on sale in Europe this August.

WHAT’S YOUR CYLINDER INDEX?
And now let’s get to this week’s Autoline Poll. We want to know, what is your household cylinder index? Or to put it another way, how many combined cylinders do you own? This includes cars, trucks, lawn mowers, ATVs, boats, etc. For example, if you own two 4-cylinder vehicles, a weed whacker, and a lawn mower, you would have a cylinder index of 10 — eight for the cars and one each for the weed whacker and lawn mower. To vote, just visit Autoline.tv and click the link under today’s show notes. You’ll be able to enter your cylinder count and leave any comments you have. Don’t forget, you can also get your friends and family to tally up their cylinders by sending them the link below the poll. Get to it, because we’ll reveal the results on Thursday.

The winners for this year’s Ward’s 10 Best Interiors will be announced soon. And coming up next, a look at a few of the models that have impressed me for this years award.

2013 WARD’S 10 BEST INTERIORS
My colleagues and I are at the halfway point of testing for WardAuto’s 10 Best Interiors of 2013. I’ve said it each of the last eight years we’ve being doing this, but in this, the ninth year, it still holds true — the vehicle interiors we’re judging are the best yet.

WardsAuto editors are evaluating more than 50 vehicles this year – a record by the way – and I’m noticing the, shall I say, “inexpensive” vehicles of the bunch, have particularly impressive cabins.

In the past, if you paid less than $20,000 for a new car, barring a Volkswagen, you were all but guaranteed hard, thin plastic trim that was shiny; fuzzy fabrics on the seat and headliner; and the faux-est of faux metallics.

That’s but a memory judging by the less expensive models we’ve tested. For instance, the tiny Chevy Spark wore a-not-too-shabby faux leather, and had interior trim panels that matched the exterior color of the car. With available paint colors such as Techno pink and Jalapeno green, this look really spices things up.

Even in the $20,000-$25,000-range you don’t always get quality materials. But the Hyundai Elantra GT and Toyota RAV4 we tested were stellar, especially for their high-quality, low-gloss, plastic finishes. For the RAV4, you’d swear the dash was swathed in more expensive soft-touch skin.

Winners of WardsAuto’s 10 Best Interiors for 2013 will be announced next month, and our AutoInteriors conference is May 22 at The Henry Hotel in Dearborn, MI. For more information on that event, visit autointeriors.com.

And that brings us to the end of today’s show. Once again I’m Christie Schweinsberg from WardsAuto.com, thanks for watching and I will see you next time.

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97 Comments to “Episode 1084 – Corvette Stingray Convertible, Kia provo Concept, Ferrari’s Enzo Successor”

  1. ColoradoKid Says:

    Award for worst designed Exotic/Sports Car at Geneva 2013

    And the nominees are ;

    Corvette C7 – For managing ( especially from the rear 3/4 view ) to look even more like a Camaro with a pointy snout than the coupe does

    Ferrari LaFerrari – For being a technological tour de farce as well as being an Enzo pastiche on botox and having a stupid name

    McLaren P1 – For being the ultimate in Japanese Anime Speed Racer reject lookalikes

    Lamborghini Venano – For being designed with the adolescent 14 year old boy in mind and no one else

    And the winner is …

    …the McLaren P1 – Because McLaren of all companies after the incredible F1 road car should of known better .

    Dishonorable Mention goes to …

    The Spyker Venator – For deluding themselves into thinking they ever were a legitimate manufacture … never mind can be ‘ once again ‘ … as well as the 2nd stupidest name after the LaFerrari

    Exotic/Sports Car most likely to fall on its face … Sales wise ..

    … the Alfa Romeo 4C . Seriously . $75k ,,,, for that ????

  2. pedro fernandez Says:

    Why not EL Ferrari? it would have sounded less girly, I voted for 7 cyl since my Crapolla is most likely running on 3, and we got at least 3 wackos in the family, or did she mean wackers?

  3. ColoradoKid Says:

    Ooops

    Forgot one .

    Best Pastiche/Xerox/Carbon copy design – Geneva 2013

    The KIA Provo . Seriously what did Schreyer do …. take every image he could find of the MINI coupe and then Cut & Paste a few KIA references on it to try and make it look like it might be an original design ?

  4. Wim van Acker Says:

    #2: the answer is simple: “El” is Spanish, Ferrari is Italian.

  5. Michael Myers Says:

    My cylinder count is 23 (not counting the spare engine for my Austin Healey)

  6. ColoradoKid Says:

    #4

    So ? Every Lambo name is Spanish and they’re Italian as well …. err …. well …. they used to be until becoming AudiGhini

  7. HtG Says:

    Are we supposed to included radio controlled airplanes from our youth? How about my Tamiya Formula 1 and GT model car collection? This may take a while.

  8. Drew Says:

    My corporate internet censor won’t let me take the cylinder poll. I have 55 cylinders between 6 cars, 2 motorcycles, 2 PWCs, boat, riding mower, leaf blower, and gas edger. I did not count my weed wacker as I haven’t seen it for over 10 years after loaning it to a neighbor.

    I suspect there are some very prolific car collectors that respond with over 100 cylinders.

  9. A. Bellis Says:

    If I counted correctly, I have 111 cylinders at my home. That includes my cars, my wife’s cars, my son’s cars, my daughter’s cars and various mowers, tractors, motorcycles, weed wackers, backpac blowers, spare engines, etc. Did you guess that I work in Powertrain development?

  10. Drew Says:

    HtG, I did not count my model collection… only counted functioning cylinders wher ea real combustion occurs (with or without spark plugs so as to not offend any of the diesel mavens).

  11. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I find all s(t)upercars as boring as hell.Useless toys for the rich and not so smart.@ CK: Your biting analogy for the supercars is spot on,and funny as hell,thanx for the laugh this ayem.

  12. HtG Says:

    You’re not thinking clearly, GA. How many wall posters, shirts, panties, goggles, headphones, tablecloths, toothbrushes, bars of soap, etc. will LaFerrari let Montezemolo flog to idiots the world over? Ai visto? Capice?

  13. Feldman Says:

    Whether you call it EL, IL, LA, LE, or DER, DIE or DAS Ferrari,

    It is no tmerely an “odd” name,

    It is not a name at all.

    It is the most UNimaginative, IDIOTIC, moronic car model “name” I have ever heard.

    Ever.

  14. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Oh yeah……the marketing angle.Pre-adolesent schoolboys the world over will be drooling for a LaFerrari poster,lambo etc,lmao.One of my favs are the guys who wear a ferrari red leather jacket and drive a lumina……frickin’ classic.

  15. pedro fernandez Says:

    Then use Il Ferrari, still masculine, not LA Ferrari.

  16. Feldman Says:

    As to that “apples ands oranges” “total cylinder index”, I replied with just the 8 of my main drive before I read the actual question that asks us to add oranges, apples, watermelons and mangoes to one utterly meaningless number.

    I will be charitable and not say what I think of the question or of the ‘genius’ that came up with it.

    I can imagine revealing the results… For example Kit, who owns a very frugal Prius, an quite frugal MINI, an old minivan, a bike or two and maybe other motors with cylinders, may have a total of 15-20 cylinders per household, or even per capita. I can imagine a rabid greenie auto illiterate castigating him for owning too many cylinders, and, simplistically inferring that he is a major polluter… but the reality may be exactly the opposite.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    6,8,
    I counted only cars, scooters, a motorcycle, and lawn mowers that are in regular use, making 22 cylinders. If I include model airplane engines, including ones that haven’t been used in about 50 years, I’d probably have close to 100 cylinders.

    I have four cars with 4 cylinders each, a scooter with 2 cylinders, and the other engines making up my 22 have one cylinder each.

  18. pedro fernandez Says:

    Gimme Leno’s 66 Toronado over any of these ‘exotics”. Even save on insurance with Hagerty’s

  19. Feldman Says:

    #7 “I suspect there are some very prolific car collectors that respond with over 100 cylinders.”

    100 would be a good car (etc) collection, but the real prolific ones like Jay Leno, I bet if you add them all up it is closer to 1,000.

  20. Feldman Says:

    #16 While I am no fan of supercars, I feel no attraction whatsoever towards cars like these. I like the European classics of the same vintage much better, BUT I would NOT drive them on the Highway for any serious distance. They are utterly unsafe and even performance wise inferior to cars of today and even of 10-15 years ago.

  21. HtG Says:

    18 I just look at the lack of headrests and think about those rigid steering columns; makes me sick.

  22. pedro fernandez Says:

    IMO people who buy these cars are show-offs who like to be the center of attention, I’d much prefer an unassuming Porsche 911, or an BMW M version of the 3 or the 1 series.

  23. pedro fernandez Says:

    Met a Countach owner many years back who told me he could not stand driving the thing more than 2 hours at a time, I was shocked to hear that!

  24. Feldman Says:

    #20 I agree about the 911. It has become very expensive but if recent very slight depreciation numbers continue, it may actually be a far better investment. And a 911 can be used daily in the snowbelt (esp a 4wd version) while a Ferrari is only if you live in CA or FL.

    I have also looked into used M cars, esp the 400 HP 5 liter M5 from 1997-2003, this is a very modest car, not much bigger than a 3 series (and can be frequently confused with such a 3 from 1999-2005), but the downsides are, much worse fuel econ than the 911 and even my 4.4 lt 740, and probably more unreliable or in worse shape, assuming the previous owner(s) drove it hard.

  25. Feldman Says:

    #23 If he could drive the Countach for 2 full hours this must be a record. The car was not practical, very poor visibility, uncomfortable etc. This was not designed to be a highway cruiser.

    Current Lambos and Ferraris have become far more driver-friendly, have more amenities inside, more comfortable etc.

  26. RS Says:

    I see some 2015 Acura NSX in the front and the side silhouette of “The Ferrari” (never mind the Il, Elle, Le and La stuff — why not English!?) But, while the Acura is relatively understated, the sculpting on the the “THE” is way over the top and appears more like a caricature of a real exotic. But some other recent Ferrari designs have been suspect as well. Has something happened to the famous Italian design studios?

  27. pedro fernandez Says:

    Well, he was young, I drove a 69 Beetle from NY to Fl and back no a/c, noisy as hell, but I was just a kid!

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I liked the E36 M3, and considered buying one when new. That was a well-rounded car that would work fine a a daily driver. It had “only” around 250 hp, but it was quick, and was reasonably refined, especially for the time. That’s as “exotic” as any car I “almost” bought.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27,
    I drove a ’70 Beetle about 20K miles in a little over a year when I was in the Navy in Scotland. As recently as 1983, I drove a Chevette on some fairly long trips. We get spoiled in our middle and old age, and we get spoiled because cars have improved so much over the yeears.

  30. HtG Says:

    One bit of teatro I’d like to have loggia seats for is watching Ferrari dealers rub the noses of potential customers in their unworthiness of kiss the ring. This is what webcams are made for.

    ‘Beg like a dog, rich filth. Mommy doesn’t want to sell you her LaFerrari.’

  31. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit me too! drove a Chevette from NYC to Fl and to Niagara Falls, again no a/c, open windows in the summer, we’re spoiled all right.

  32. Gene Says:

    I believe that all automobiles have been referred to as of being related to the female species.

  33. Lex Says:

    The interior materials in the Toyota Rav4 maybe higher in quality then before but I do not like the layout of the dash board and instrument cluster. I prefer the RDX, CR-V or Santa Fe interior dash over the New Rav4. Too Bad Toyota didn’t give the Rav4 flowing panels on the inside like it did on the outside IMO.

  34. ColoradoKid Says:

    From Geneva – Diesel fans have something to cheer about ( G.A. take note )

    VW’s sending the GTD …. and the Jetta Diesel wagon/estate our way

    ——

    Cylinders – CK household – 10 . GLK – 6 … Matrix – 4

    ——-

    13 Agreed !!!!

    With all the geographical landmarks ( Stelvio – Gavia etc ) all the Italian racers thru out history ( Alboreto – Novulari etc ) famous Italian bicycle racers ( Coppi – Moser ) Rally drivers ( Munari etc ).. regions even ( Veneto ) … and LaFerrari is the best moniker they can come up with ? In the feminine and spelled wrong to boot ?

  35. C-Tech Says:

    Interesting view on car interiors. As long as the seats are comfortable, the gauges clear and easy to spot, and the radio plays Steely Dan and Al Jarreau. I’m happy.

    I only have 12 cylinders but why am I responsible for 122 when they break?

  36. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31,
    I had a luxury Chevette, which had AC, and I installed an aftermarket cruise control. It had a 4-speed manual, though.

  37. ColoradoKid Says:

    #30

    Va bene 8)

    —–

    Pedro & Kit . Got ya both beat ! 140,000 miles from 74 – 77 … in a VW Westphalia Micro Bus touring the US and CDN . No A/C . The heat was a joke . AM/FM radio . No power anything .

    Yet you know what ? Those were probably the best ‘ Road Trips ‘ I’ve ever had

  38. C-Tech Says:

    Super drivers are much more impressive than supercars.

  39. Frosty King Says:

    My cylinder index is 13.

  40. ColoradoKid Says:

    C-tech

    #38 .. +1

    Steely Dan …. +1 x 10

    Al Jarreau though ? Not so much

  41. pedro fernandez Says:

    #37 I agree, CK, youth is NOT over rated! But you know, at least you had some stretching room, we did not.

  42. pedro fernandez Says:

    Steely Dan, AJA best sounding rock record I’ve ever heard!

  43. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ CK: I’m not surprised in the least about the GTD coming to our shores.That wagon is pretty sportin’ too,and with a diesel.Good show VW.Unfortunately for me,neither are very ‘off road’ capable.Out of the two,I like the wagon better myself,and probably right up Kit’s alley?

  44. ColoradoKid Says:

    G.A. – The more I think about your car needs the more I feel you really should give the new Toyota 4Runner ( the ‘ Sport ‘ V6 model ) a try . The under pinnings haven’t changed much since my 98 .. the ‘ Sport ‘ is the Off Road off the showroom floor winner .. its more than decent on road as well . its smaller than a full size P/U …. and’ll last forever .

    41 Damn tootin !

  45. pedro fernandez Says:

    A long road trip in a VW bus with the right companion beats anything else I could think of.

  46. Feldman Says:

    #28 Styling wise I prefer the 2000-2005 M3 (forget the E number). Smooth and luxurious inside.

    #36 A Luxury Chevette? Sounds like an oxymoron. DId it have leather and wood?

    I once rented a Pontiac equivalent of the Chevette. Big mistake, the car overheated right away after only 50-100 miles of highway travel from Boston, had to replace the thermostat!

  47. Feldman Says:

    #45 A very nice colleague (from Maine originally) once invited me on Xmas Eve with his family (wife and three daughters), we took their VW bus to a church to hear some great Xmas Carols. The day was very cold and the stupid little POS did not even have a damned HEATER. I rarely mind the cold, but I froze my a$$ off!

    I like the styling though, VW should have never offered that failed Chrysler Van with Brooke Shields, Auto Illiterate, extolling its nonexistent Virtues, it should develop a retro VW Bus, but up to speed safety and performance-wise.

    The VW Diesel Wagons are a great idea, they should also offer a Passat Diesel wagon which should have truly enormous room inside.

  48. Kit Gerhart Says:

    43,
    I like the Jetta TDI wagon, and would like the GTD version, if it gets about the same fuel economy as the 140hp version. If it is much thirstier, I’d give up the extra power of the higher power version.

    If VW TDI’s were more of a known quantity in the U.S., and if I’d had a better dealer experience, I probably would have kept my ’02 Jetta TDI wagon a lot longer, and might have one now.

    Yeah, a Passat wagon is great. If fuel ever gets expensive in the U.S., they might start selling it here again. They only sold TDI Passat wagons in the U.S. a couple years, and they were all automatic, but not DSG. They got good mpg, but they needed either a manual or DSG transmission to get the mileage they should have.

    46,36,
    My Chevette was “luxury,” because it had A/C and cruise control.

  49. ColoradoKid Says:

    47

    Oh it had a heater alright . Its just that the heaters never accomplished anything … especially below 40f . Even if you sprung for the extra heavy duty heater option … it was pretty much worthless … though on occasion it was pretty good at fumigating the car . I never did have a ‘ Bug ‘ ( pun intended ) problem with it :o

    FYI ; VW did do a Retro Micro Bus . Its still on the books in fact . Whether Kaiser Winterkorn will ever approve it for production and WTH he hasn’t already still being the question some 12 years later .

    http://www.netcarshow.com/volkswagen/2001-microbus_concept/

  50. Drew Says:

    Regarding interiors, I find the RAV4 to be underwhelming. Plastic is plastic if it in a location that I rest my elbow (beltline of the door trim panel). It doesn’t matter if it looks soft. No sale, no recognition.

    For other areas where I do not rest my elbow, then I do give credit to soft looking plastic. The instrumant panel of the Mazda MPV of 10 years ago did a nice job in this regard,

  51. Feldman Says:

    49 I know it must have a heater but it is strange that it could not work properly. I can understand if it had no A/C since in Northern Germany it is not needed in the mild summers which are really more like Spring weather. But it does get cold there in the winter.

    I did see the retro Microbus, but that was just a concept, I meant to actually produce it instead of the Routan. the Retro MB looked better than the “New Beetle”, even than its recent refresh.

    BTW Christine, great show today, presented with your usual energy and enthusiasm.

  52. RonE Says:

    One more VW bus story. Many years ago, about 5 or 6 of us took a ski trip to Indiana, yes Indiana, in a VW bus. For heat, the owner had a kerosene heater secured to the floor. After traveling 70 miles or so, it was like a rain forest inside that bus. Water dripping off the ceiling and running down the walls. Luckily for us there were many rust holes in the bus otherwise we may have been asphyxiated.

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    My sister had a ’74 Westy, and it probably had the same heater as a Beetle. In a Beetle, the heater was marginal, unless you were running on the highway where the engine would be spinning fairly fast and under continuous load. In the van with several times the cabin volume, the heater wasn’t enough, even running WFO, unless the outside temp was above 40 or so.

  54. HtG Says:

    Back to Ferrari. If this LaFer has a thousand horsepower, but about 150 comes from the battery, then for how long can it sustain this power? How long can it stay at its top speed of 217 before the power drops out?

  55. Kit Gerhart Says:

    54,
    It wouldn’t have full power for very long. AW says the battery only weighs 132 pounds. That’s not much battery for running a 150 hp motor.

  56. pedro fernandez Says:

    Both my Beetles had the area of the heater controls rust out and not able to turn it on or off, so I had the mechanic disconnect the hose at the engine cause otherwise I would get heater all the time, even in the summer, so I’d rather bundle up with winter gear rather than roast alive in the summer heat.

  57. ColoradoKid Says:

    HtG

    Two things . In response to your question . Not very long ( think F1′s KER’s and you’ll get the picture )

    Second . A Ferrari tale of woe .

    A few years ago I was at a….. festival where an associate was premiering a piece of mine during which I attended a rather snooty soiree in the associate honor and got to talking to this whiny billionaire ( can you believe there is such a thing as a whiny billionaire ) who after discovering my passion for cars starting complaining that Ferrari USA wouldn’t even give him an eta on the rather pricey Ferrari he’d plunked a huge deposit down .

    Long story short . At the time I still had a friend that worked at Ferrari NA out your way …. and knowing regardless of what ever Ferrari may claim .. they’ve always got a car or two in reserve for that special customer etc … and seeing as how whiny billionaire was also a benefactor at the time for said associate … I called the friend at FNA and asked what they could do .

    Within five minutes of checking inventory … friend got back with two color options they could have delivered within 30 days …. billionaire chose one … story over .

    Except . Whiny billionaire never offered me a ride/drive and in fact never even said so much as a Thank you once he’d gotten the car …

    Moral of the Story ?

    1) Never do a whiny billionaire you’re not personally acquainted with a favor … and

    2)With Ferrari most times … its not about who you are or even how much ( $$$) you have . Its all about Who you might know ( on the inside ) ;-)

  58. ColoradoKid Says:

    HtG

    LaTestaDuraPretensa’s KER’s

    CvK made an interesting comment recently about LaFerrari’s KER’s system saying … why would you add 300 lbs of weight ( total weight of the entire KER’s system in the LaFerLot ) to get 150 hp ?

  59. Zieke Says:

    Re: 18
    I think I would rather own Leno’s ’55 Roadmaster than the Toronado just for a nice daily driver.

  60. ColoradoKid Says:

    #56

    …. then following no doubt that old Norwegian bit of wisdom

    ” There is no such thing as bad weather …. only bad clothing “

  61. T. Bejma Says:

    #1

    Jeez CK – Do you like anything ;-)

    My cylinder count was 36 – 1969 Cutlass Convertible and the spare engine were 16 of them. Couple of winter and summer toys and they add up fast…

  62. HtG Says:

    57 I’m afraid you found my hot button, CK. Ungratefulness.

    I guess Ferrari deals with lots of successful people that act entitled. (I recall the forlorn look on the face of some NY big as Mr. Fiddles and I stood behind Carnegie after a practice, and you could see it hurt him, feeling he could not approach)

  63. Tony Gray Says:

    51 cylinders. Thank goodness I don’t own an RX-7!

  64. HtG Says:

    Washington DC to get blanketed tonight, with double digits expected. I heard somebody say “Thundersnow” As everyone knows, roads and drivers will go totally berserker by the hour. Those people can’t even drive under normal conditions.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/post/high-impact-heavy-snowstorm-to-hammer-washington-dc-area-tonight-and-wednesday/2013/03/05/eb0f4978-85a2-11e2-9d71-f0feafdd1394_blog.html?hpid=z1

  65. T. Bejma Says:

    Just got a chance to read the Detroit article that you posted on yesterday’s show CK.

    Amazing how they conveniently leave out the corrupt politicians, bribes and scams and make it sound like the citizens deserve the same tax breaks that businesses (who employ people that actually pay taxes, including a City payroll tax that comes out of your check – whether you live in the city or NOT) get. They also fail to mention how the city has a tax collection rate of around 30% while the surrounding counties collect about 70% of theirs. Detroit may be getting sympathy from the NYT and others, but the people that actually live here understand that they are getting what they deserve…

  66. T. Bejma Says:

    #64

    Looks like it is going to miss Detroit (34 and sunny here right now) ;-)

    Be safe HtG!

  67. HtG Says:

    We’re going to get nothing, and like it!, TB

  68. ColoradoKid Says:

    Mr Bejma re;65

    Methinks the point was that a very few are thriving in Detroit while the overwhelming majority are barely surviving . I’m sure they missed a detail or two … but overall the point’s well made .

    And believe me … having lived in kCMO for the last five years I know all about corruption graft etc … not to mention tax breaks for the new businesses while screwing the old timers into the ground etc . Like I’ve said T . KCMO is right behind y’all and catchin up fast .

    As to the snow …. just hold on and see T . We’re about to fire off another round at y’all next Monday ( it’ll be hitting here this weekend ) so no tellin what we’re sending your way next .

    Oh well . The plains are desperate for the moisture … skiing’s been fantastic here … so take the good with the bad and make the best of it I say !

  69. ColoradoKid Says:

    Oh …. just to rub it in a bit ….. high 50′s and low 60′s till Saturday .

    Jeeze I’m cruel sometimes …. and lovin it ;-)

    BTW . Adios to one more Despot . Hugo Chavez is hasta la bye bye . How many more does that leave us ?

  70. C-Tech Says:

    @ #69 It still leaves 1 too many unfortunately.

  71. ColoradoKid Says:

    Hasta La Vista SPEED TV

    Come on … y’all knew this was coming

    http://oppositelock.jalopnik.com/speeds-replacement-fox-sports-1-is-official-set-to-451243239

    So thats it then . No dedicated motorsports channel in the US as of August 2013

    ——

    C-Tech … agreed … but one less never the less is better than none less . Problem being another one usually steps in to fill the void .

  72. pedro fernandez Says:

    Castro is the Eveready bunny and the Hugh Hefner of dictators, this old SOB just won’t die, I truly think the Cuban doctors that treat him have found some magical potion that keeps him alive.

  73. pedro fernandez Says:

    #59 I was always smitten by the Toronado’s futuristic style although they should have gone RWD and made the front end a little shorter, the rear half of the car is an exercise in perfect design that stands the test of time to this day.

  74. HtG Says:

    72 fear of what’s to come keeps him ticking. Also, he likes to talk

  75. XA351GT Says:

    That Kia concept reminded me of the MINI coupe.

  76. HtG Says:

    A Bloomberg article on how Chinese govt machers are encouraged to ride around in domestic brands.
    Here’s the money quote, “Luxury car sales in China are forecast to surpass the U.S. as early as 2016 and equal that of Western Europe by 2020, driven by rising incomes, McKinsey & Co. said in a report this week.”

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-05/audis-trump-patriotism-for-china-s-elite-as-local-brands-falter.html

  77. pedro fernandez Says:

    No one should be surprised by that news item, HtG the transfer of wealth from West to East has been going strong and steady for decades now.

  78. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #72,
    Didn’t Castro kind if disappear from public view for weeks or months a while back, and a lot of people thought he was dead? Then he reappeared.

  79. W L Simpson Says:

    La is latin fem for “the”, so La Ferrari is a spanish girlycar?

  80. Feldman Says:

    #72 there is a “Chinese” proverb saying

    “an evil dog never dies”.

    Or maybe it’s Korean.

    A place where a “hot dog” has an entirely different meaning.

    Anyway Chavez was propping Castro up with the oil $ that should go to the Venezuelan destitute..

  81. ColoradoKid Says:

    W L Simpson … # 79 …… Good One !

    And in light of the fact that no doubt Paris Hilton’s probably first in line to buy one … rather fitting as well ! :o

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    HtG- Looks like thou spoketh too sooneth .. Snow wise that is . Take care if it hits you ( its supposed to do a U turn right back at you )

    ( as to ) China ?

    The Land where some animals are most definitely a hell of a lot more equal than others ( ref ” Animal Farm ” ) Seeing as how the majority of the population can’t even afford housing .

    ———-

    XA351GT – That IS the MINI coupe with a couple of KIA badges and a bit of body cladding courtesy of J.C. Whitney and Peter Schreyer’s unimaginative pen .

  82. ColoradoKid Says:

    It seems Chavez’s passing may effect F1 as well as today its being revealed just how much of Venezuela’s monies were being funneled into Pastor Maldonado’s etc careers

  83. Feldman Says:

    #78 Ι never thought Castro died, it was clear that he was sick and he left his brother Raoul to do the day to day stuff.

  84. HtG Says:

    82 Williams may have been getting 30M Euros annually from Venezuela. Oil state sponsorship of F1 is one reason why the sport is more than going around in circles. Speed fantasies are being stoked and nations are paying to show the world and their own people that they’ve arrived.

    http://www.yallaf1.com/2013/03/06/pdvsa-deal-to-continue-after-chavez-death-williams/

  85. ColoradoKid Says:

    84

    ……….. and yet here in the good ol’ US of A .. supposedly the wealthiest and most car oriented country in the World we cannot sustain an automotive network ( SPEED is dead as of 8/2013 ) produce a genuine home grown F1 or WRC contender( driver.. or car) …. nor can we manufacture a truly World Class road car … of any genre . S’at seem right to you ?

    As to Chavez …. I assume Dudamel’s career is now self sustaining ?

  86. ColoradoKid Says:

    Feldman – Castro will never die . He’s a Zombie …. therefore immune to the ravages of death .. ;-)

  87. HtG Says:

    oooooh am I gonna keep my trap shut about Senor Tresses

  88. HtG Says:

    sorry, Senor, LosTresses, in honor of LaFerrrrrr

  89. ColoradoKid Says:

    HtG

    yallaF1 and the German press may be jumping the gun and making unfounded assumptions that Maldonado’s sponsorship is iron clad …. them forgetting PDVSA was under Chavez’s iron fist control and that all their contracts ( even supply ) only extended for the life of Hugo … e.g. All bets are off and its up to the next leader/despot as to what remains and what gets taken away

    I take it like myself you’re no Gustavo fanboy !

  90. ColoradoKid Says:

    HtG

    Taking a cue from yourself I’m now calling it the LaFerLot …. as in Laugh A Lot ( at its pretense and falsehood )

  91. HtG Says:

    89 Williams seems pretty confident.

    As to BelliCapelli in LA, as a synesthesia possessor I just can’t abide all the bouncing. But I’m keeping quiet about other things. ;)

  92. ColoradoKid Says:

    testing ?

  93. ColoradoKid Says:

    very strange …. keep getting zapped

  94. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ CK: Thanx for advise on the toy,but no suv will work for me.My mining equipment though small,still takes up a lot of room.It’s also very dirty/wet/and muddy when done so it ain’t going inside.My new lady wants a camper so we can can travel to all of the different gold mining properties out west here.So,a pickup it will be,maybe one of the new midsize twins when they come out,or a ram 1500 diesel.We shall see.

  95. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I read the article about speed tv going out….good.I wonder who will cover the Barrett-Jackson auctions now.I’ve been watching that on speed since the first broadcast back in the early/mid 90′s.Always a good show too..damn.

  96. Dave Says:

    156 cylinders in 21 automobiles plus cycles, carts, etc. All but 4 of the cars are running. This doesn’t count the engines not in vehicles, the spares.

    This has to be the winner!!!

  97. Kit Gerhart Says:

    96,
    Do you do all of your own maintenance on your fleet, or do you have a fleet of hired mechanics? That sounds like a lot more cylinders than I’d want to keep going on my own.