AD #1150 – All-New 2014 Toyota Corolla, Motorcycle ABS Mandate? Honda Defends Line-Up

June 7th, 2013 at 11:55am

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Toyota takes the wraps off its all-new 2014 Corolla. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety petitions the U.S. government to try and get anti-lock braking systems mandated for motorcycles. We reported that Honda’s five core models make up 93 percent of sales in the U.S., but the company’s VP of marketing defends its other models. All that and more, plus a look at how Ford is helping Michigan create new jobs.

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Hello and welcome to Autoline Daily and TGIF. I’m Sean McElroy filling in for John today but now let’s get to today’s news.

2014 TOYOTA COROLLA
And we start off in California where Toyota made a big splash last night when it took the wraps off its all-new Corolla. With acrobats hanging over the crowd of nearly a thousand onlookers, and comedian Adam Carolla posing with the car that could’ve been named after him — but wasn’t, Toyota showed off the 11th generation sub-compact car to not only the press, but customers who may actually want to buy it. The company is hoping this redesigned Corolla will recapture the magic of a car that’s sold nearly 40-million units around the world.

(Video of Corolla debut and interview can only be viewed in the video version of today’s show.)

Toyota made no price announcement last night but did say that production will start this summer and it will roll off dealer lots in September.

IIHS WANTS BIKE ABS MANDATE
Anti-lock brakes are standard on most new vehicles and have been helping motorists avoid accidents for years, but one agency feels that the system should be standard on more than just cars. The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety is petitioning the U.S. government to try and get anti-lock braking systems mandated for motorcycles. IIHS data shows that bikes equipped with ABS are 30 percent less likely to be involved in fatal accidents. We think the IIHS is right on this one because some states that have repealed their helmet laws have seen the number of rider injury claims increase.

HONDA DEFENDS LINE-UP
Last month we reported that five models in Honda’s line-up, the Civic, Accord, CR-V, Pilot and Odyssey, account for 93 percent of the company’s sales in the U.S. Recently we spoke with Mike Accavetti, the vice president of marketing at Honda in America, and asked him why the company should keep its other models since they don’t contribute much to the bottom line.

(Clip with Mike Accavetti can only be viewed in the video version of today’s show.)

Actually based on sales so far this year, the CRZ will probably sell fewer than 5,000 units. Same goes for the Insight. The Crosstour and Ridgeline will each do about 20,000. It’s hard to believe they’re making any money at those sales levels. As the sales guy I’m sure Accavetti likes to have them, but we bet the finance people are scratching their heads over why the company is committed to those vehicles.

VOLVO TO INTRODUCE DME TRUCKS
A few months back we showed you a concept from Volvo Trucks that can run on both diesel and liquefied natural gas. And now the company is introducing more alternatively powered trucks. It will be the first commercial vehicle maker in North America to offer trucks that run on dimethyl ether or DME for short. It’s a fuel that can be made from natural gas or biomass. The company says the fuel is energy efficient and is low polluting. DME is used all over the world but not as fuel for vehicles, it’s typically used for cookers or ovens. Volvo Trucks says the first vehicles to run on DME will be introduced within the next couple of years.

Coming up next, a look at how Ford is helping Michigan create new jobs in the state.

UNIQUE WAY TO CREATE JOBS
Back when the auto industry collapsed no state was hit harder than Michigan, because so many automakers and suppliers are located there. Now that the industry is getting back on its feet, the Michigan Economic Development Corporation, or MEDC, is going all out to build the number of jobs back up again. So they started a unique program, called Pure Michigan Business Connect, that’s all about getting Michigan companies in front of other Michigan companies to see if they can do business with each other.

The state is getting the automakers involved in the effort and Ford recently held one of these matchmaking events, which included 700 people from 370 Michigan companies interfacing with 42 buying teams from Ford. These are companies involved in everything from logistics to castings to well, you name it. And everyone involved, the MEDC, Ford and the Michigan companies were knocked out by how well it went.

So now they want to do this every month, and GM and Chrysler are getting involved, too. The state found that for every $200,000 in new economic activity, a new job gets created. A billion dollars generates 5,000 jobs. And this program is on its way towards generating $8 billion in new business this year. But it’s not just automotive. The state is also involving the defense and food processing industries and plans to expand it to other areas as well.

This is a fascinating effort. If it works, it could cut the state’s unemployment rate in half. And this is an idea that could spread to other states and even other countries. Now it’s only getting going so we’ll give you updates as the year goes on so we can track how well it’s going.

And that’s it for today’s show. Once again I’m Sean McElroy, thanks for watching and have a wonderful weekend.

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58 Comments to “AD #1150 – All-New 2014 Toyota Corolla, Motorcycle ABS Mandate? Honda Defends Line-Up”

  1. G.A.Branigan Says:

    ABS for motorcycles….neophytes and their inability to operate a seperate front and rear brake and operate a heel-toe shifter are the cause of this.For almost 50 years I have been riding/building my own motorcycles (yes..harleys) I have riden cross country many times and have thoughly enjoyed the lifestyle….with zero accidents.Once again the ‘rubs’ have ruined the sport.

  2. Cozy crv Says:

    Hello John, what is going on with all these auto makers putting this ugly black plastic in their grilles. I first saw it at the mazda dealer with the Mazda 3, and it migrated to the Miata, I died. Now I see it in the new chevy SS and the Toyota Coralla?

  3. Buzzerd Says:

    My last few motorcycles have come with ABS and I don’t see what the problem would be. I have road raced bikes, ice race, and have ridden more than a few miles through the alps and back but that doesn’t mean I will be able to out brake an ABS equipped bike when the time comes. I always hear people say ” well I’ve ridden X amount of miles therefore I don’t need that stupid safety feature” which is kind of like saying ” I’ve worked for this company for 20yrs and haven’t been fired yet, therefore I must be a great employee”

  4. Jon M Says:

    It is rather surprising that an ABS mandate on bikes isn’t already enacted. There is no doubt that ABS can reduce fatalities and other injuries and you only need to the data to find out about what percentage it might reduce it by. Since ABS, unlike helmets, would not change the riding experience, I can’t imagine there would be much argument against it. Hopefully, the government will have the good sense to realize that and make quick work of it (quick relative to government bureaucracy of course).

  5. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Maybe road rockets would benefit from abs,maybe not.For me it dilutes the whole experience but if you guys feel safer with abs and all the nanny crap by all means have at it.As it stands right now that crap doesn’t effect what I can build myself.I don’t need,or ever needed a store bought bike.

  6. Buzzerd Says:

    How does ABS “dilute” the experience? You don’t even know they are on the bike until you feel them in an emergency and brakes work the same on cruisers. Actually I find many cruiser riders rely fully on the rear brake as they are scared to fully engage the front. It’s not that I “feel safer” they are safer but don’t let facts get in the way.

  7. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Yeah…..and many cruiser riders just got into it too and are scared to death of the front brake because they don’t know how to use it properly,or even when to use it.I’ve heard all these arguments many times before and they mean squat.Either your fully versed in bikes or your not and the latter has been true since the late 80′s.Like I said,I have built all of my bikes with zero accidents,and 90% of the people I rode with were the same.Some people just can’t deal with it and need all the extra ‘help’ they can get.

  8. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I’ll add this too,most of ‘those’ people spent more on all the leather money could buy.I’ve had the same set of USA made chaps for damn near 40 years.They look all worn and faded but no road rash at all.BTW,I think they cost me under 20 bux back then,brand new,lol.

  9. Ron Paris Says:

    Wait a minute…Michigan saw an uptick in motorcycle injury claims after rescinding its helmet law and that justifies a mandate for ABS? What kind of logic is that?!

  10. G.A.Branigan Says:

    It’s the ‘new logic’ apparently.

  11. Buzzerd Says:

    I think Ron they are just trying to get motorcycles to have some of the same safety features that cars have had for a few decades, Europe is going the same way.

  12. Buzzerd Says:

    LIke I said yesterday – most people hate change, even when it helps them.

  13. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Mixed emotions on ABS mandate; it’s probably going to help the guy the most who doesn’t belong on a bike to begin with (but it could save lives). That and another, ‘I know better than you’ what’s good for you (the government). Helmet law? If you are legal (I’m saying 18 years old) then you make the decision (same as should be with the ABS) though as for me, law or not, I’m wearing my helmet.

  14. Earl Says:

    That new Corolla looks sharp. It’s easy to see where the template was the Hyundai Elantra.

  15. A.C. Brown Says:

    What does ABS (anti-lock brake system) have to do with the repeal of State helmet laws and rider injuries??? Stupid to link these together. People who ride without a helmet and other riding gear (motorcycle jacket, gloves, pants and boots) are putting themselves at risk that ABS will not likely help in over 99%++ cases. If you run off the road, high side in a curve, hit something, are struck by a car, have equipment failure or whatever – ABS will not help. We could put a green rubber band around the headlights of motorcycles and call it a safety device and prove it statically works because none of the motorcycles with green rubber bands wrecked for a whole year.

    Fall off a motorcycle at 30 mph without a set of leathers and a helmet; it does not make any difference how many green rubber bands are on the motorcycle you are road rash/road kill toast.

  16. Jon M Says:

    @ #9 Ron – It was the state of Michigan that rescinded the helmet law, but they’re not the ones pursuing the ABS mandate.

  17. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I wonder how these same ‘experienced’ bike riders would handle an old tank shift bike with a rocker clutch like my old 51 small bearing pan.Probably cry crocodile tears all the way to their local nhtsb,wusses.

  18. IM Buell Says:

    OK, Looks like the water’s warm so I’ll jump in as well.

    There are some conditions where ABS works great, like limited traction (rain, freak snow storm) as well as Emergency breaking (deer jumping into the road or someone blowing a red light). NO ONE can break closer to the edge of the tires traction limit like an ABS system can (even if you’ve ridden for a hundred years, over 2 billizion miles, in the snow, going uphill, both ways).

    Then there are conditions what ABS give you a false sense of security. During corning if you didn’t slow down enough; don’t think that ABS will keep the front from sliding out sideways (there’s only so much traction available and the ABS won’t straighten up the bike so you can maximize breaking traction). ABS doesn’t work well in gravel well either.

    The biggest problem I see is that this is an expensive system and bikes are cheap. This could be a significant cost add (20% or more) which would really hurt entry level sales. No biggie on a $20K BMW but how about the $6K Honda. Also do you include dirt bikes (god no) and dual sports? How about the cottage industry, choppers, bobbers, Cafe Racers….how do they calibrate a system for a one of build???

    Any system that can save the new riders butt from stupidity and give the experienced rider greater safety margin I’m all for. If this happens, hopefully it will only be mandated on High Volume street machines.

    I’ve ridden cross country several times as well, accident free. I agree that experience is hugely important but I’m under no delusions that it’s only my ability that kept me out of trouble (you can’t predict deer and some drivers aren’t much smarter). To keep the sport alive, the newbies need to get that experience safely and the old farts (like me) can always use extra defenses from the zombies in cages talking on cell phones.

  19. pedro fernandez Says:

    Why isn’t this new Corolla making me go and rob a bank, so I could buy one? it used to be that when a new model of a car that I own came out, it would make me salivate over it for months and months and then I’d run over for a test drive as soon as possible, must be old age settling in!

  20. pedro fernandez Says:

    Bike ABS ain’t gonna help those Kamikaze Ninja riders who think they have the God given right to violate every single traffic law as they please, I say let them experience the “ultimate” ride (as long as they don’t hurt innocent people) and we’d be done with them once and for all.

  21. RS Says:

    New Corolla? Nice 2004 Civic!

  22. Kit Gerhart Says:

    ABS is more beneficial on bikes than on cars. Maximum effort braking on a bike is a skill that most riders aren’t good at, even those, like myself, who have ridden many years. I’ve never needed to make an all-out emergency stop on a bike, but if I had, I might wish I’d had ABS.

  23. pedro fernandez Says:

    Never been on a motorcycle, but must I assume that using the front brakes violently could send you over the handle bar like a bicycle?

  24. Chuck @ GM Says:

    This used to be a freedom based country. If the state has any responsibility at all for motorcycle safety, I would think it would be limited to required adequate training addressing the issues raised here(and probably more) a film that in some way says”This is your brain. This is your brain scattered across the road.” and that is the end of it. I used to ride a Triumph Bonneville back in the day. I’d probably opt for every safety feature available. But it’s my decision, not the states.

  25. Ziggy Says:

    ABS on motorcycles is an excellent idea that only the lame and un-informed would be against, kind of the same argument made by the ignorant when seat belts came out for cars – “I can hold my self in place in any accident, I don’t need no stinkin’ seat belt”. Just as stupid as “I don’t need no ABS on a motorcycle, I’m an expert at everything, just ask me”

  26. Kit Gerhart Says:

    24,
    “Freedom” has its limits. There are more costs from motorcycle injuries and fatalities, that to the ridet who exercises his “freedom” to ride without a helmet, etc. There are costs to the health care system, life insurance providers, orphaned kids, and on and on. Maybe insurance premiums should be adjusted for risk factors, like helmetless riding, or motorcycle riding in general, but I guess that would constitute “big brother” interfering.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    To me, the best argument against requiring ABS on all bikes, is that, with smaller machines, it would add a significant percentage to the price of the bike. It could easily add more than 10% to the price of a small Chinese scooter.

  28. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I wore seat belts since I first got licensed.I have always worn a helmet even when riding through states that didn’t require it.ABS on bikes is for the people that don’t know how to ride.ABS does not take in account wet roads,or in the fall,wet leaves in shady areas on mostly dry roads etc.If you don’t know how to modulate that front brake,your shit is in the wind troops.

  29. Kit Gerhart Says:

    A friend who rides 15K miles a year, and is an MSF instuctor, has been a big believer in ABS on bikes for years. He is a very skilled rider. Loose gravel, wet leaves, etc. is where ABS gives the most benefit to even a very skilled rider.

  30. pedro fernandez Says:

    The 2 yrs after Fl stopped requiring helmets, I suppose due to the heat during the summer months, the fatality rate went up substantially,Duh! and the funny thing is that the most irresponsible, careless riders are the ones that won’t wear one, adding to the problem.

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Indiana had a helmet law at one time, but It was repealed in the 1970′s, except for riders under 17. It seems that nearly all BMW riders I see wear helmets, very few Harley riders wear them, and it’s about an even split with the riders of sport bikes of all brands.

    G.A., you would really stand out, riding through Kokomo, Indiana on a Harley, wearing a helmet.

  32. C-Tech Says:

    Please correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the first ABS system was developed for a motorcycle?

  33. C-Tech Says:

    Sport bike riders seem to be the most creative with their helmets. I have seen mohawks, a giant punkin, a giant eyeball, and classic paintings (the scream) painted on a helmet.

  34. pedro fernandez Says:

    Those Nazi type helmets are more of a statement than anything else, I don’t believe they offer much protection at all.

  35. T. Bejma Says:

    #21

    New Corolla? Old Hyundai Accent. Yuck…

  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    Oh come on TB really? you don’t recall the old Accent too well! I had one for a few days, it sucked, specially the seats and it looked nothing like this Corolla. Remember Corolla buyers are a conservative bunch, can’t go extreme on redesign or you lose them like Buick lost their AARP crowd (on purpose) years ago.

  37. T. Bejma Says:

    I meant the current Accent, pedro. Just implied that it was old, because it is already out. Sorry, in the Automotive Engineering world we think of anything that is in production as “old”. ;-) Toyota almost had enough time to take an early Accent and totally copy it – Chinese style. Look at the two side by side and you will see what I mean…

  38. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The big problem with the Corolla is that they don’t sell a hatch or wagon in the U.S. any more. Also, the whole thing of calling the Corolla the “best selling car in the history of the world” is BS. Comparing historic sales numbers of Corolla with air cooled VW Beetle or Model T is ludicrous. There is no continuity whatever between the rear drive Corollas of the 70′s and the current cars, except the name.

    Still, the recent Corollas are great cars, for basic transportation for a lot of people. They are reliable, drive decently, and will carry 4 average size people in reasonable comfort. The people who buy them don’t much care what they look like, just as I’m not worried about what my Prius looks like. Beauty is as beauty does.

  39. pedro fernandez Says:

    Remember Corolla continues to be a best seller, why mess with success? they even kept the ancient 4 speed for people who don’t care about how many gears a car has, as long as it’s dependable,comfortable, durable and gets decent mpg’s

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that the Corolla’s 4 speed automatic hurts neither mpg nor acceleration in a significant. You probably feel the shifts a little more than with the many-speed transmissions which have more closely spaced gears, but so what, if it never breaks.

  41. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Oops, in a significant way…

  42. pedro fernandez Says:

    Remember also that more gears are great for highway driving, not so for suburban or city commutes and no one is gonna ever call a Corolla a highway cruiser I should know, specially the 3 speed.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    My sister’s housemate had a rear drive Corolla, I think a ’73 or ’74. It was a 4 speed manual, but the automatics at that time were 2 speed.

  44. cwolf Says:

    I had a Corolla not long ago. It was a real sipper, but it was made in Mexico! ……….
    Never mind….it was a Corona!!!

  45. pedro fernandez Says:

    Ah, si senor, I’d like to drink a Corona in my Corolla, oh no, wait. that would be illegal, right? No open Coronas in the Corolla. Pedro goes directly to jail, do not pass GO, do not collect $200.00 2 speed auto? holy Crappola, going 60 must have felt like the motor was gonna explode!!

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The motor would have been spinning pretty fast at 60 with the 2 speed, but also, the gap between the gears would have been large, resulting in really doggy acceleration when it first hit second. The off-the-line acceleration would have been sluggish too. First gear would have been taller, than after they added more gears.

  47. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Go back even a few more years and you could have drunk a ‘Corona in your Corona’. Toyota had that model too; probably to the order of the current Camry in size and niche.

    Powerglides (two speed) trannys did all right, and while maybe spinning engines higher than today’s cruising rpms, weren’t ‘screeming’ (and could still go over 100 mph back in the day). And to Kit’s point, at a somewhat ‘relaxed’ acceleration.

  48. pedro fernandez Says:

    Corolla, Corona, Carina, Crown, Camry, Celica what’s up with that? Toyota had a Crush on the letter C.

  49. pedro fernandez Says:

    MW just announced the Dart as the best for 2013 in the class, are they stupid or what? based on what? every comparison review I’ve read or watched, put it near the bottom of the pack when facing its competition. Seems like Mr Davis and co. love to reward new entries in the market regardless of how they test out!

  50. RonE Says:

    #48, Also the Cressida. I always thought Toyota was trying to confuse American buyers with the different names that were pronounced differently by the buyers. I remember when I took my ’76 Clelica GT Hatchback to the dealer for service and the service manager called it a “SeeLika.” They hadn’t sold or serviced Toyotas very long.

  51. pedro fernandez Says:

    #50 thanks, how could I forget the great Cressida! I first discovered Toyota with the Celica/Supra of the 80′s, even though it’s HP did not match its looks. That’s where the Supra came in.

  52. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The Supra’s engine outlived the Supra by a few years. It was used in the first generation Lexus IS and GS.

  53. pedro fernandez Says:

    Supra engines continued to be used in Japanese home market Toyotas and are still being imported here to be used in drift cars and such, very reliable and bulletproof inline sixes.

  54. Stuart Somers Says:

    The new Corolla looks like three year old Hyundai

  55. ColoradoKid Says:

    ABS on M/C’s

    As an option ? Brilliant

    As a mandate ? Ludicrous and Nanny State to the extreme … taking away the last bastion of skill and challenge .

    And … as to Prism ( which ties into my Nanny State comment loosely )

    What bothers me the most isn’t the fact that Obama lied during his 2008 campaign when claiming he’d diminish powers of the Patriot Act ( in fact he’s increased its power some ten fold ) .. Not the fact that every Internet /Cell/ Land Phone provider lies thru their teeth in their convoluted Privacy statements …. not even the fact that we’ve for all practical purposes brought this on ourselves with our over dependency on Entertainment , Convenience and Government intervention ..

    No …. its the fact that we’re not only Selling Out to the Chinese left and right …… but we’re rapidly becoming just like them as well …

  56. Kit Gerhart Says:

    And the Chinese are becoming more like us, with unfettered capitalism, consumerism, etc., and they are now buying companies around the world, like U.S. companies once did.

    In many ways, we are still a long way from the Chinese, in good ways. Despite its faults, our legal system is much better than China’s. We still don’t conduct summary executions, well, except with people on the other side of the world who might be “terrorists.” Our mines and factories are still much safer work places than those in China. Their overall standard of living is improving, though, while ours is going the other way, except for those at the top of the ladder.

  57. pedro fernandez Says:

    And we don’t have tanks rolling over protesters in the Washington Mall either.

  58. ColoradoKid Says:

    Of course Kit … you’d reply with a post like that .. Completely missing the point ( big surprise ) being your usual cliche self … as well a not having a solitary discerning or original thought in your entire being .

    But Pedro ? Mi amigo … I am more than a bit surprised at your response . You …. of all people should understand what it was I’m implying …. not to mention knowing better . Bad day today perhaps ;-)