AD #1231 – Ford’s China Sales Soar, UAW Gets Support, 2015 Cadillac Escalade Revealed

October 8th, 2013 at 12:09pm

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Ford is on pace to sell close to a million vehicles in China this year. The head of VW’s global works council says installing a works council at the company’s Tennessee plant will be an important factor in building other models there. Cadillac reveals the all-new 2015 Escalade. All that and more, plus John answers your questions and comments in You Said It!

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Hello and welcome to Autoline Daily. And here are some of the latest developments in the global automotive industry.

JAPANESE SURGE IN CHINA…
Sales of Japanese cars plummeted in China after the two countries started arguing over who owns some islands in the South China Sea. Angry Chinese citizens smashed Japanese cars and dealerships. But now it looks like Chinese consumers have gotten over it. Honda, Toyota and Nissan all saw their sales surge last month In fact, Honda’s sales were higher than they were before the big backlash broke out.

…AND SO DOES FORD
Meanwhile, Ford, which got a late start in China is making up for lost time. Its sales are rocketing up the charts. In fact, Ford could possibly sell a million vehicles in China this year. That would put it ahead of Honda and Toyota and very close to Nissan. But Volkswagen, with forecasts to hit 3.2 million vehicles in China this year, and General Motors at 3 million, continue to dominate the Chinese car market.

FRANCE’S 2-LITER PROJECT
The auto industry is in a hurt of trouble in France, so the French government is organizing automakers, suppliers, research centers and engineers with two goals in mind. First, to develop autonomous cars and second create a low cost B-segment car that only uses two liters per 100 km, or about 118 MPG. And they want the price below $20,000. Renault and PSA are leading the project with help from Valeo, Faurecia, Michelin and Plastic Omnium. Engineers say the car will likely be a gasoline-electric hybrid and weigh 500 pounds less compared to today’s B-segment cars. A prototype is expected to be shown at next year’s Paris auto show.

UAW GET IG METALL SUPPORT
As you know, the UAW is running into resistance in its efforts to represent Volkswagen workers in Tennessee, but now the union is getting support from Germany. Reuters reports that the head of VW’s global works council and a member of the IG Metall union is backing the UAW’s efforts. He says installing a works council at the Tennessee plant will be an important factor in getting his support for approving building other models there. The company is currently evaluating whether to build a new crossover in Tennessee, or at its plant in Mexico.

2015 CADILLAC ESCALADE REVEALED
A few weeks back we showed you the interior of the 2015 Cadillac Escalade but now we have the rest of the vehicle to show you. And it’s not too hard to tell this new model apart from the previous one. The front grille is larger, the headlamps and foglamps get a new shape and the rear taillights extend up to the roof. But the most noticeable design feature is the belt line that flows off the headlamp and runs the entire length of the vehicle, similar to the ATS. Even the dash is easy to tell apart at a quick glance, it looks far less boxy than the previous model. The 2015 Escalade will be built at GM’s plant in Arlington, Texas and is slated for production next spring.

ROUND AND ROUND WE GO
OK, what’s more efficient? Roundabouts, or stop signs? Some people love them, some hate them. So the guys over at Mythbusters decided to put this one to the test. They set up both scenarios and had vehicles running through both intersections for 15 minutes. Not surprisingly, roundabouts are about 20% more efficient, allowing 75 more vehicles through the intersection in that 15 minutes. What I like about roundabouts over stop signs is that if traffic is light and there’s no need to stop, then you don’t have to.

Coming up next,it’s time for You Said It!

YOU SAID IT!
And now it’s time for some of your feedback.

John897 had something to say about Tesla and GMs feud the other week. He says, ”What set Akerson off is Elon Musk bashing GM and its competition recently. I don’t see why John did not mention anything about this. Why does it seem okay for Musk to bad mouth GM, but not okay if Akerson has a response to his bad mouthing? John, please tell me why.”

It’s not OK. It’s childish for both Musk and Ackerson to go in front of the media and trash each other’s cars. They should be taking that opportunity to be selling what they have, not dissing someone else’s product. In my experience, it’s the most capable, mature and successful executives who actually congratulate their competitors on a job well done. It’s the insecure, immature ones that have to call them names.

Don LaCombe heard my editorial on the fact the Big Oil lobby is more effective than the Automotive lobby, because otherwise we would have installed vapor recovery systems on gas station pumps instead of installing them on every vehicle manufactured. He says, “About the on board vapor recovery systems: removing them from the car will reduce weight and free up package space. Sounds like its worth a fight to me!”

Absolutely right Don, except that the car companies lost this fight years ago.

C-Tech agrees with all the production delays on the new Jeep Cherokee. “Jeep is doing the right thing by NOT selling the Cherokee to the public BEFORE solving the trans issue. If this were one of the big 3 Japanese brands I believe there would be much praise for their decision. Given what rides on a successful launch for both ZF and Chrysler I suspect trying get the shift points correct is the issue.”

Steve Weintraub says, “Call me old fashioned but I don’t trust the drive by wire from Infiniti! What if the mechanical back up doesn’t work? And why do they need back up if the system itself is supposed to work? There is just too much useless technology rammed at us! I love driving~~~~But keep it simple!!”

Steve, you never want to say never, but it would be almost impossible for the Infiniti steer by wire system to fail. When the power is off, the steering is mechanically connected. when you start it up that activates a clutch that disconnects the mechanical system and makes it steer by wire. So in the case of any malfunction, it defaults to a mechanical connection.

Thanks for all your letters and comments, we truly enjoy getting them.

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81 Comments to “AD #1231 – Ford’s China Sales Soar, UAW Gets Support, 2015 Cadillac Escalade Revealed”

  1. MJB Says:

    Wait for it… Wait for it…

    Alright CK, let’s here it. I know you’ve got a take on the new Escalade. :)

  2. pedro fernandez Says:

    Roundabouts are not safe down here in So Fl, I’ve had a few near collisions cause certain drivers don’t seem to comprende what YIELD means, they think it means that if you have a macho man truck, with gonads hanging from the rear hitch,you just go right thru whether or not someone else is in the circle already

  3. pedro fernandez Says:

    I’ll take it, if you have trouble telling a new model apart from a previous one, YOU FAILED!

  4. ColoradoKid Says:

    MJB … ask and ye shall receive : complete with musical interlude ;-) ;

    The Escalade . New or old they can all be summed up by the title of that Led Zeppelin classic ;

    ” What Is and What Should Never Be ”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl0FeA49k3A

    —–

    Roundabouts … yeah they’re safer and more efficient WHEN the drivers using them know how to go about it . Which … most Americans DO NOT .. as can be witnessed here in CO right out my front door as well as in Vail etc

  5. HtG Says:

    2 Here in NY, driving a BMW and texting seems to be all the license a gal needs to drive right on through a stop sign and into the roundabout. Perhaps if we had better gun laws.

  6. HtG Says:

    4 Hey, CK, how many roundabout would you say there are in CO?

  7. ColoradoKid Says:

    Che Bella Machina revisited ( for anyone who missed it this morning ;

    http://www.rivalamborghini.com/

    Pull up a chair . Pour yourself your favorite libation .And make sure you watch the movie as well as the slide shows

  8. ColoradoKid Says:

    6 HtG – Way too many in light of most of the drivers here’s inability to negotiate them properly . The absolute worst being the ones in the Mt resort towns ( Aspen Vail Breckinridge etc etc etc ) when a clueless Texan or worse yet Kansasan gets caught up in one

  9. T. Bejma Says:

    Love roundabouts, as long as there is no one in front of me heading into it. Too many people think Yield means Stop. I learned them very well in Ireland on my Honeymoon driving a Renault Kangoo (manual) all around the Green Isle…

    https://www.google.com/search?q=renault+kangoo+2000&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS528US528&es_sm=122&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=VjZUUq3WCtCUqwHj-YDoAQ&ved=0CC4QsAQ&biw=1280&bih=699&dpr=1

    I use the very simple roundabout rules – start looking left about 200 yards from the entrance and if there is no one coming – GO, if there is – STOP!

  10. MJB Says:

    I love round-abouts. What I don’t love are the anally retentive sorts who mistake the yield sign for a stop sign, thinking that a stop (or even a slow down) is required when there is no other car in sight.

    And then there are the depth of field impaired folk who sit there until they’ve got an engraved invitation to proceed because they don’t know how to put their foot down on the accelerator and blend in with the flow.

    And then there are the folk who aren’t the least bit aware that their automobile will in fact NOT roll over if they navigate a round about at anything above 5mph.

  11. pedro fernandez Says:

    sometimes I wonder if YIELD in Spanish means: “Ram through”

  12. HtG Says:

    Rummaging about on the internet, I found this article from Colorado about a town that will soon get a roundabout at its the center. You’ll see in the piece that the state expects pedestrians to be safer, 48% fewer crashes, 78% fewer crashes involving injury, and fuel to be saved. (you need to answer the question at the left of the page in order for the whole article to be displayed)

    http://www.aspentimes.com/news/7360694-113/highway-roundabout-town-carbondale

  13. ColoradoKid Says:

    12 – Yeah … whats funny about that article though is that the folks in Carbondale should be asking their financial betters up the road ( Aspen ) how well their roundabouts are working … especially during the high tourism season [ not well at all ]

    Seriously though … we know and love Carbondale very well ( going on 35 years ) and let me tell you … they need a roundabout about as much as the American Public needs another Ted Cruze or John ‘ Boner ‘ ( Boehner )

    Pure pretense from a town who’s finances have been on the wane since 2008 sums up their roundabout desires .

  14. ColoradoKid Says:

    12 – cont – But !!! If you’re ever in Carbondale ;

    http://towncarbondale.com/

    Oh yeah baby . Serious foody fare for reasonable prices ( former owner of the legendary 689 )

  15. HtG Says:

    Grab a napkin, nerds. Google the line below for everything you ever wanted to know about roundabouts in Colorado. BTW, there’s about 250 in the state, and they actually have very few crashes if designed correctly.

    lscdenver.com/Papers/2C-2%20%20Ariniello,%20Alex.pdf

  16. pedro fernandez Says:

    #12 that is misleading, in my experience, the only reason I avoided an accident was that I went into the circle expecting that the other driver was not gonna stop as he(she) entered it and sure enough they did not even glance my way, so we would have crashed and they try to figure out who was at fault.

  17. HtG Says:

    darnit, ‘Grab a napkin, noshing nerds.’ :)

  18. buzzerd Says:

    I personally really like round-a-bouts and not every european has them down pat, I’ve seen many of them stop for no reason also. One of the big benefits is they virtually eliminate the T-bone collision which can be quite deadly.
    It gets real interesting once you add in a few traffic lights and multiple lanes into the mix, that’s enough to make a north american’s head explode.

  19. pedro fernandez Says:

    Unfortunately HtG these roundabout designers never factored in all the distracted dingalings driving their little cars right through w/o looking for others.

  20. buzzerd Says:

    “I’ll take it, if you have trouble telling a new model apart from a previous one, YOU FAILED!”
    So that would include – almost every porsche, aston martin, many, many years of civics, corollas, impreza, accord……

  21. pedro fernandez Says:

    yes!

  22. pedro fernandez Says:

    and I meant a whole new model not just a refresh!

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I love roundabouts, in Europe, where people know how to drive them. As others have said, most Americans don’t understand them.

    In London, I remember roundabouts with about 7 streets coming together, in heavy traffic arras. They worked great, but I’m glad I had gotten used to driving on the left in lighter traffic areas, before driving in London.

  24. HtG Says:

    The article I read said that, indeed, a roundabout has to be designed properly if it’s going to be safe. Like using cues that get people to slow down before they get to the circle.

  25. Bradley Says:

    I like Round-a-Bouts better!

    They will also serve autonomous driving better. Although with car-to-car communications traffic could be woven at a traditional intersection too without stopping, but round-a-bouts would still be better.

  26. ColoradoKid Says:

    15 – That … is what the proponents of roundabouts in CO would like you to believe . The reality of them here being something completely different . Suffice it to say the two right out my front yard ( well ok a couple of blocks away ) barely go a day without a near miss , minor fender bender or on occasion a reasonably serious accident

    —————

    buzzerd – 20 – Seriously ? You’re trying to lump those cars in with the Cadillac Escapade ( Escalade ) ?

    Ahem …. err .. need I remind you that unlike the Escalade travesty that GM’s once again foisting on us …. there’s good reason for Porsche to maintain its classic looks . And as far as Aston Martins , Imprezza’s , Corollas etc … well … if you can’t tell the difference between them from year to year …errrl .. either you aint lookin .. or you’re in dire need of a trip to the Optometrist … NOW ! ;-)

  27. pedro fernandez Says:

    I doubt most folks even bother what the Escalade looks like, only its after-market wheels, and all the bling-bling they can muster to put on it!

  28. ColoradoKid Says:

    24 – It doesn’t matter here in the US what they do . Even with all the so called ‘ properly designed ‘ features : Americans ( especially ones from certain states ) do not have a bloody goram clue how to navigate a roundabout

    Moi ? When in one with the rare driver/drivers who know how to deal with roundabouts ? I love em . Problem is … that happens maybe 1 out of a 1000 times at best . So the other 999 times … I hate em !!!

  29. pedro fernandez Says:

    Around here if you’re driving a tiny car and enter a roundabout, you should say a Hail Mary and make sure your seat belt in on tight. Oh, a helmet might be a good idea as well!

  30. ColoradoKid Says:

    Bradley – Hate to drive the point home but … err .. the only thing that’ll serve Autonomous driving well or better would be to leave it in the ‘ Virtual ‘ World where the ____ it belongs ! ;-)

  31. MJB Says:

    @20. Ha-Ha! Yes!

    In fact, let’s toss in Maserati while we’re at it. Have you seen the new Quattroporte and Ghibli? Practically identical twins.

  32. ColoradoKid Says:

    29 – same here … best way for me to get thru the roundabouts here unscathed …. even in Franz … is to tell SG to hang on and go for it … exercising Franz’s handling and go pedal a bit

  33. ColoradoKid Says:

    31 – HaHa … the laughs on you !

    Ugh !

  34. G W Groovey Says:

    Roundabouts–If you want to see ‘Roundabouts’ come down to the Villages in Central Florida…imagine 60,000 (or is it 80,000 now) 55+ seniors starting, stopping, ‘sharing’ multiple lanes and cutting over when they realize they’re in the wrong lane…bring your popcorn for the show and make sure your insurance is up-to-date!

  35. MJB Says:

    @26

    Sorry CK, but the Astons do all look virtually alike.

  36. ColoradoKid Says:

    MJB – 31 – In your case might I highly recommend a trip to the Opthamologist instead as yours seems to be a more serious case ? ;-)

    ———-

    34 – Ya outta see Vail or Aspen during peak tourism season . Take what you’ve got in Fla … add in a healthy dose of arrogant driving impaired Texans .. with a side of Kansas folks who can’t drive their way around the block … not to mention a healthy handful of drug addled stoner Snowboarders and Skiers … and you pretty much got the picture

  37. MJB Says:

    @33

    I’m with you there. The only Maserati I find appealing is the new coupe. The rest are like a woman that every other guy swears is hot, but I find to be completely un-arousing.

  38. ColoradoKid Says:

    35 – Oh really ? So you truly cannot tell the difference between a Vantage V8 , DB2-3-4-5-6 , DB9 , Vanquish , One-77, Virage , Vantage , Rapide etc ?

    Hmmmn .. Maybe its too late for the Opthamologist …. err .. hmmmn …. thats too bad … sorry to hear things have progressed ( or should I say digressed ) to that point

  39. Phoenix Mark Says:

    On roundabouts, the test was replacing stop signs not where traffic lights should be. Most places I have seen them there should have been a traffic light. The other problem I have seeen is that most are smaller than the pictured in the story. I have seen small roundabout with stop signs, go figure?

  40. ColoradoKid Says:

    37 – Hopefully you’re only talking about the modern era Ferrari cum Maserati wanna be’s … and not all the classics that came before them

    Cause if you’re at all implying the classic Masers are not appealing … well …. this discussion is utterly hopeless . But … but … the new ‘ Coupe ‘ ? Seriously ? And here I though you being an architect you’d have a sense of aesthetics

  41. C-Tech Says:

    The new Escalade looks good. Now the ball is in Lincoln’s court. Will we see an Ecoboost Navigator?

    I believe roundabouts in the U.S. are good for neighborhood intersections, but not for large multi-lane intersections. Too many bad and rude drivers will wreak havoc.

    Are the increase in sales of Japanese cars in China costing the Chinese brands market share?

  42. MJB Says:

    40. Lemme search back a bit. Maybe I’ll find a niche era that I like. But knowing me, probably not. I’m not a huge fan of many of the collectables that a lot of car nuts go gaga over.

  43. Bradley Says:

    #30 ColoradoKid

    Yea, I love to drive, but the idea of watching a movie while travelling in the 100s of mph to my destination also has its positives.

  44. pedro fernandez Says:

    Around here, back in the 60′s, yield signs were the norm in low traffic neighborhoods, when people began to ignore them and assume the other driver would yield, accidents went way up and were all eventually replaced with stop signs, in many cases, the 4 way type, now they’re bringing back the yields by way of the roundabouts and it’s starting all over again, dumbass So Fla drivers!!!!

  45. ColoradoKid Says:

    43 – Yet another ‘ victim ‘ of convenience and addiction to entertainment ? Seriously … ever considered … gee .. I dunno .. paying attention to the landscape and the grand country you live in ( while it still lasts ) with all the little details and changes that occur on a daily basis : not to mention reality over poorly done ( in most cases ) fiction ?

    As a very wise man once said ; “A man who is unable to see and feel the beauty and mystery of the world that surrounds him , even out his back door .. is a very empty and shallow man indeed ”

    Don’t be that man Bradley … you’re better than that ;-)

    ———-

    MJB – 42 – Oh no . Sigh . Please … I mean …. you’re an architect … right ? No … please …. don’t tell me you’re one of those who thinks History is only for the past … rather comprehending that the past forms the very foundations of everything that happens in the present as well as what the future will bring .

    As the saying goes ( gee … lottsa wisdom today ) ” A man who’s forgotten or doesn’t know the past … has no idea what the present is or what the future will bring ”

    or .. if you prefer ..” The past forgotten are the mistakes repeated today “

  46. ColoradoKid Says:

    41 – Hopefully and with any luck we may finally see the end of the whole gas sucking – over sized – underutilized – massively yet cheaply blinged – Escapade-Extinction – Incursion – Blingogator – OTT wretched excess vulgar gas sucking piles of dreck once and for all from all the manufactures .

    Seems Cadillac may be the first to fall what with todays announcement of the future Escalade being based on the Lamda unibody platform

    One can only hope !

  47. pedro fernandez Says:

    Our ever-wasteful county govt has Excursions for a 2 man survey team, why do you need such a monster to carry a couple of guys and some measuring sticks and a tripod?

  48. C-Tech Says:

    @ #46 CK, Great story bro, however if the new Escalade is being built in the Arlington Tx, plant then it is still RWD and Tahoe/Suburban based.Not Lambda chassis FWD. Maybe next time in 2019. Remember, the purpose is to make money and these lux-suv’s make money.

  49. C-Tech Says:

    @ #47 There may be other capacity reasons for the Excursion. It may have been part of a special fleet deal so it might be cheaper than you suspect. If this were Detroit City goverment, it means someone is looking to buy an Excursion on the cheap when the city sells it in 2-3 years.

  50. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ 47,Pedro: That’s because there aren’t anymore Ford Rangers for the workers. If Ford would have put a bit of money into the ranger’s,they would have owned the market for a good many years as others would have had to play catchup.I still think they screwed the pooch on that move.

  51. pedro fernandez Says:

    GA, an F150 with a bed cover would have been enough for that application, cheaper and uses less gas as well. This county govt wastes too much of our money

  52. HtG Says:

    Has anyone ever seen this before? A local dealer we have a relationship with sent this email offer…

    Are you looking for a career change?

    XXXXXXX XXX XXXXXX has 4 Sales Positions (Full Time) and 1 Internet Position (Full Time/Part Time) available.

    All positions come with complete training.

    Bilingual is a big plus, but not necessary.

    Sales positions estimated 1st year is $45,000 – $70,000.
    2nd year estimated $60,000 – $100,000.
    Internet Position $25,000 – $40,000.

    What’s up with that?

  53. Kit Gerhart Says:

    47, 50
    But they could use a Prius, or a Focus hatch, if they want to buy “American.”

  54. Kit Gerhart Says:

    52,
    That sounds pretty good. Is it a Benz or BMW dealership?

  55. HtG Says:

    very mainstream new car dealer. I’ll demur on the brand.

  56. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: The problem with that is those cars would limit the amount of stuff they could carry.Maybe one day a survey crew would use it with only a few pieces of equipment,but the next dat they may have to carry/haul more doing something else.More often then not,a pickup (even a small one) is indispensable.

  57. Bob in Atlanta Says:

    CK has been warning about this: http://freebeacon.com/general-motors-executive-warns-of-impending-auto-bubble/

  58. XA351GT Says:

    Okay if the infiniti has a mechanical steering system then what is the point of drive by wire? All it does is give another thing to fail and cost the owner a fortune to have fixed . Cars have done fine with a mechanical steering for over 100 years. Technology for tech’s sake is just a waste of time and money. All this electronic garbage sounds impressive until you get the bill to have it fixed. Here’s a concept, A steering wheel direct connected, a clutch direct connected, a throttle direct connected, A driver engaged in why he is behind the wheel in the 1st place , driving. All these electronic gizmos do is distract the driver and give a reason for why you need 18 air bags in a car. Put down the phone, the coffee, the GPS , grab the steering wheel and pay attention to what your doing. Getting rid of all this crap would reduce the weight , increase mileage and drop the price of a car. I told you it’s just a concept.

  59. Kit Gerhart Says:

    XA,
    I certainly agree on the steer by wire, but throttle by wire buys you something. In cars with cruise control, which is most cars now, you have one motor working the throttle, with essentially no linkage. Also, you can easily vary throttle mapping. I like “low gain” throttle tip in, the better for driving smoothly, but some like the opposite, to make the car “feel” quicker. Steering by wire, though, sounds like a lot of complexity for not much. I’ll save that for my toy airplanes.

  60. HtG Says:

    58. Agreed, X. It’s more than a concept, I think it’s why I even care. But one thing I picked up when being trained a little, is that driving is too hard for most of us. Letting the computers do more may be the safest solution for a population that isn’t really interested in or capable of driving well. So many people are forced to drive, but how many of us are forced to sing? You want to hear that?(my car only has hydraulic power steering and synchromesh gearbox. Otherwise it’s all me. You should have seen the fun I had this Sunday when the roads were slicked with mist. Goodyear allweather tires suck in the wet. ;) ! )

  61. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit as far as using cars for survey work may not be good at all since sometimes they have to go to undeveloped areas where access is by bad dirt roads, so a truck is vital. As far as #57 this has to be true, cars are too damn expensive and the economy still very shaky for these sales numbers to be as high as they are. something’s gotta and is gonna give.

  62. HtG Says:

    As someone who has done survey work both onshore and at sea, let me just say, God bless trucks. But you also like vans because it keeps your equipment safe. You really don’t want a car for when you go to unfamiliar places. Take your Bronco. So effin manly. Manly men also don’t want to sit way down into a car, when they’ve spent the day working physically. Just lean into the cab. Stare straight ahead. Let’s get back. (sounds authentic, eh kids?)

  63. Kit Gerhart Says:

    61,
    I know a guy who uses a first generation Focus hatch for land surveying, and he has mentioned needing to be careful at times, because of lack of ground clearance. I’m sure he also has to more carefully consider what equipment he needs to take to sites, than someone who uses a Suburban or Excursion for the same job.

  64. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I suppose brake by wire will be the next big thing. For a hybrid, which does most of its braking electrically, via regen, it should result in better brake feel, but I still don’t want it, now, or ever.

  65. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit I am sure this guy you know is self-employed so he must watch his expenses carefully, while the govt with their seemingly endless source of taxpayers money, has no such restrictions and buy huge trucks where smaller vehicles could do the job, just like I’ve noticed a lot more SUV for police work after the demise of the Ford C.V.

  66. HtG Says:

    The small SUV is so great for this kind of thing. It’s rugged, protects equipment, the high rear shelf lets you get at what you need, and also pack it in. Stuff is heavy, ya’know. You’re incognito when on surface streets. My experience was that it was the unknown which made trucks and SUV so valuable.

  67. HtG Says:

    Lord, I hate being on boats.

  68. Kit Gerhart Says:

    65,
    Yep, his main business is “confirming” property lines when existing houses are resold.

    Fiunny you mention SUV’s for police work. I now need to register any vehicle I own in Florida, even if it will barely leave Indiana. To do this, I need to have a local police officer come to my place, and confirm that the VIN on the title and vehicle match, and fill out a Florida form. I recently did this, and the county sherriff “supervisor” came in a Tahoe, when he could have come in a Fiesta.

  69. HtG Says:

    also, TP, bring TP

    I’ve got a great story about the Chesapeake, reading Kafka, and desperate to deuce, but….

  70. vrmchris Says:

    hello to all.

    japanese car sales in china. sooner or later time does heal “wounds”. and the chinese car buyer knows that the domestic makers are not as good as the other car makers.

    ford in china. good for them.

    france and the 2-litre car project. france has to do something to keep their industries relevant. whether this will bring fruit remains to be seen.

    uaw and igmetall. stay tuned on that front. local politics vs how vw wants things to go. this will hurt the corporatists in tennessee. but will benefit all in the long run.

    2015 cadillac escalade. no surprises here. and will still sell well.

    roundabouts. i personally like them. when used in relatively light traffic areas, they work beautifully. however, in heavy traffic areas, and where drivers do suffer from brain fade; they can be aggravating.

    dan ackerson and elon musk. need anyone say more?

    big oil lobby. money talks and everything else walks.

    jeep cherokee and production delays. i am in agreement with c-tech. there are those who think it is easy to do all-new everything. but it is not. you set a production date years from now accounting for everything including any delays. however, sometimes that does not occur. so jeep is doing right by making sure that what goes on sale is correct.

    drive by wire. already used in aviation. but remains new to the automotive industry. i will simply wait and see on this technology.

    certain makes that look alike. no they do not. yes, certain styling cues are used. however, no they are not exactly alike.

    police and suvs. it seems wasteful. however, there is a very practical reason for them. take a look at carbon motors e7 prototype. consideration was made for an officer and his gear. that is the biggest reason why suvs are being bought by police departments nationwide. the other is that prices for fleets are very attractive indeed.

    mr. mcelroy, thank you for this forum.

    regards,
    vrmchris

  71. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems that France has a pretty lofty goal for their 2 liter car, both for fuel economy, and price. They are aiming for close to twice the fuel economy of a similar size Prius c, and in a substantially less expensive car.

    The fuel economy goal would be easier to attain with a diesel, rather than gas hybrid, but the cost would be higher. I wish them luck.

  72. T. Bejma Says:

    Looks like the new Aussie Government wants to keep the automakers in the country (enough to even give them an influx of cash)…

    http://wardsauto.com/management-amp-strategy/oz-government-may-give-gm-holden-short-term-bailout

    They are even trying to persuade Ford to change their minds about leaving in 2016…

  73. T. Bejma Says:

    PSA getting a new partner…

    http://www.autonewschina.com/en/article.asp?id=10854

  74. T. Bejma Says:

    #46

    I see a pattern here, every time a new platform comes out you can count on about 60% of commenters claiming how ugly or derivative a new design is and how great the old design was. Fast forward about 6 years and the same people will be saying how great the old design was and how ugly the new design is. Seems that most people are followers and can’t decide on their own if a design looks good or bad, then after the crowd weighs in positively giving them validation, they love the design.

  75. T. Bejma Says:

    #48

    Don’t worry C-Tech, CK just got his facts mixed up (again ;-) ), a Lambda based Escalade would not replace, but rather complement the current version…

    “Ferguson said General Motors product planners “are still looking at” a large, unibody crossover to complement the Escalade SUV, which continues to ride on a more truck-like, body-on-frame platform.”

    Read more: http://www.autonews.com/article/20131007/OEM04/131009884/cadillac-weighs-large-crossover-under-escalade-badge#ixzz2hEU2hCkt

  76. ColoradoKid Says:

    75 – Oh really ?

    http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2013/10/cadillac-considers-lambda-based-unibody-crossover-to-extend-escalade-brand/

    Seems like once again Mr Bejma the only one with his ‘ facts ‘ up his proverbial ____ is once again … you T Bejma … because once again as is SNAFU… there’s conflicting information being given out by the delusional minions at GM .

    BTW – in light of recent sales figures .. increases in CAFE for the future … not to mention a rapidly diminishing tolerance for such vulgar and wretched excess like the Escapade … GM damn well better dump the POS from their line up .. toot suite ! Oh but wait . This IS GM we’re talking about .If theres a stupid or wrong way to do it .. GM’ll find the way

    Speaking of mixed up facts Mr Bejma … must I again remind you of your F85 – Google – GM’s actual debt – The VOLT not being an EV etc etc et al debacles along with your constant stream of GM propaganda – rhetoric – myths – hyperbole – platitudes and attitudes you insist on subjecting us to ?

    Give it up son ( trying to discredit me )

    You’re well and good … not to be a snob or anything …

    Out of Your League !

  77. ColoradoKid Says:

    73 – Gee .. thats current ! Oh wait … seems I may of mentioned that over a week ago . BTW your link doesn’t work …. kind of like you’re facts … and GM . Hmmnnn.

    BTWM Mr Bejma . Read the news in the EU/UK that goes along with the China/PSA tie in ?

    Seems PSA’s current desire is to divest itself in the long run from GM .. completely and utterly … with full support from the French government I might add . Smart folks those French ;-)

  78. T. Bejma Says:

    #76

    You stated: “….todays announcement of the future Escalade being based on the Lamda unibody platform”

    Both the article I referenced and the article you referenced stated that Cadillac is considering a Lambda based version of the Escalade to COMPLEMENT, EXTEND, whatever you want to say, the brand, not instead of the body on frame version that you implied was going away.

    Comprehend much?

  79. Brett Says:

    #74

    People are generally resistant to change.

  80. T. Bajer Says:

    I wonder if there was also high pedestrian traffic when the Mythbusters made their test of roundabouts. The region wants to put a roundabout right next to a highschool in our city, but our city and residents are against such a boneheaded move. The traffic will come to a halt before and after school. It’s bad enough now with the traffic lights, because some students ignore them.

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