AD #1553 – A Battery-Free Tesla Fighter, Autonomy Means Fewer Cars, AWD for Cadillac V’s?

February 10th, 2015 at 11:48am

Runtime: 7:10

- Battery-Free Tesla Fighter
- Countdown to Acura NSX
- Autonomous Cars Means Fewer Cars
- Old Vans vs. New Vans
- Ford Focus Gets Next-Gen ESC
- Will Cadillac’s V Series go AWD?

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34 Comments to “AD #1553 – A Battery-Free Tesla Fighter, Autonomy Means Fewer Cars, AWD for Cadillac V’s?”

  1. Mike Says:

    I understand how ESC works; What is new about the second generation system on the Focus?

  2. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Tried to get some data on the Quant F, it seems to run a flow-cell (nano) using salt water. Now the big question; what kind/type of salt are we talking about. The link in the show did show a video on the vehicle (sensory and marketing type presentation mostly) but the text was in German (so a dead-end for me).

  3. C-Tech Says:

    Is the Quant S related to BMW in some way? I recall hearing the name associated with BMW. If so, then this could be a very viable contender for Tesla.

    The European style full size vans are the wave of the future. Better quality and more versatile. The smaller ones are slightly larger than the 60′s Dodge A100 or Ford Econoline.

    For Cadillac it seems the between the lines answer is no they won’t let us build an awd CTS-V.

  4. Bradley Says:

    Marketing 101 …

    Turn every deficit into a positive!! Thanks Tony Roma…

    There actually is a V in AWD. Split the “W” in half and you have two Vs.

  5. Buzzerd Says:

    @mike- I think what is new is the old system was reactive where as the new system is proactive. I stand to be corrected though.

  6. Chuck Grenci Says:

    It’s not that you have to do without (AWD) Cadillacs; ATS, CTS and XTS are available with AWD, you just can’t get the “V” model (though you can, and have to, when you order the XTS V-Sport).

  7. mjbtv Says:

    John, why would you open with Tesla’s worst nightmare? I think that car has better technology in it that no one else can duplicate. And, 500 mile range. You know that it’s a breakthrough.

  8. HtG Says:

    MotorTrend sent an editor to Ferrari where he drove a car with ESC. He was instructed not to jerk the steering wheel around because it confused the system which also monitors steering speed input. Hey, do you think Dearborn gave Maranello a helping hand? Eh? Eh? (They love it when I tweak their ear a little)

    Also, I say the gal balancing the egg just got the hang of it

  9. HtG Says:

    Finally spotted in the wild, my first ELR

  10. WineGeek Says:

    Has anyone driven a Quant S or is it all smoke and mirrors? New technology has a habit of becoming non-production hype at times. I’d love to see it really in operation and see an impartial road test.

  11. John L Says:

    #3 – The Quandt family (note the “d”) founded BMW and I believe it till owns some large interest in BMW today. Not sure in Quant is related….

  12. Ricky Beggs Says:

    John, Great story about the van sales. Maybe a look at how used values and interest of the “old boxes” are doing in today’s market. When supply deminishes, demand generally increases, and keep in mind that production of all but the 2500, 3500 units and the 4500 cutaways from GM has ended.

  13. John McElroy Says:

    @3. C-Tech: you’re thinking of the Quandt family, which essentially has a controlling interest in BMW. I think nanoFlowcell is using the Quant name as in “quantum physics” or “quantum leap forward.”

  14. John McElroy Says:

    @8. “Also, I say the gal balancing the egg just got the hang of it” Now that cracked me up!

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I’ll believe this Quant F stuff when I see it. I’ve been hearing about flow cell batteries for years, or decades, and a common theme is that they have low power density. That is not what you want for an electric car. Maybe these guys have some new tricks, but I’m not ready to invest money in it just yet.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    According to this article:

    “The first QUANT e-Sportlimousine prototype carries two 200-liter (53 gallons US) tanks on board, for a total energy capacity of 120 kWh.”

    That’s 106 gallons of probably corrosive, probably expensive stuff to go 400 miles. We shall see.

  17. C-Tech Says:

    This should be an interesting battle between 2 different technologies. The Quant system (thank you John M and John L for the clarification on the name) relies on a special electrolyte formula flowing through the battery. The fluid could be recharged and used again (like a battery) or replaced (like refueling). They claim the fuel cell tech. Quant has developed can go through 10,000 cycles without major deterioration. Even if it is not used in auto or trucks (I think truck uses may be even more practical) it may be useful for home energy storage when linked with solar or wind energy.

  18. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The nominal power output of the flow cell batteries is 30 kW. Does that mean the super capacitors are needed to briefly provide the ~800 kW to go 0-60 in 3 seconds? Also, articles I found say that the super capacitors are used for the regenerative braking, rather than re-charging the flow cell batteries. Does that mean the flow cells can’t be re-charged like regular batteries, or maybe the capacitors store, and release the energy more efficiently.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Elon’s launch scrubbed due to high altitude winds.

  20. Ziggy Says:

    Anybody else think that it should be a law that the ESC can be fully defeatable with the push of a button? Those nanny systems are great for everyday driving but when you want to have a little fun they ruin it, especially on rear wheel drive vehicles, I miss hanging the rear end out taking the turns in my neighborhood after a snow storm. Looking for a small four wheel drive pickup with fully defeatable ESC for my next mode of transportation.

  21. HtG Says:

    19. I really want to see that first stage land on a platform out in the ocean. I’d stand up and applaud Elon if he pulled this off.

    20. Tough question. I drive with no aids beyond hydraulic steering, boosted brakes, and syncromesh gearbox, but I’ve only got a bit over 100hp to play with. Can normal people even drive a car with these titanically powerful motors? Maybe Kyle Busch can. I say let the nanny systems be defeatable on lower power sports cars, and keep people safe in your HRTs and minivans.

    btw, I drove behind a Jeep SRT today on the highway. Let me tell you, people JUMP out of the way when that thing comes up behind them in the left lane. They just know.

  22. HtG Says:

    I meant ‘SRT’ both times above.

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Yeah, that will be very impressive if they can land the first stage. Even a soft landing in a mile square would be impressive, much less on a football field size barge. They lose about 30% of payload capability, but for some missions, you don’t need it.

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    20, 21 I don’t necessarily think the law should REQUIRE that ESC be defeatable, but the law should ALLOW it, which it does. It can be turned off on my MINI, and on a friend’s recent Challenger R/T.

    Speaking of SRT Jeeps, I’m hearing rumors of a Hellcat Grand Cherokee.

  25. G.A.Branigan Says:

    For those that like the idea of autonomous cars,Bosch is looking for some bandwidth from the amateur radio spectrum.They aren’t looking to take it over,they want to share it with us.Problem,what if I key up my radio to chat with a fellow ham on a freq that is close to their proposed band sharing? Since it would be for the radar systems for use in collision avoidance, and for the autonomous vehicles this could be messy.

  26. Roger T Says:

    To me the big story today is not about this Gatorade powered e-vehicle, which requires an infrastructure of sports drinks filling stations at whatever cost they would be. To me the big story today is that people is now realizing autonomous driving will change the world. Clearly this will kill car ownership rates, but only if cars can go pick passengers up while they drive by themselves. This implies that is ownership is cut in half, total driven miles will more than double. And average miles per car should also go up and vehicle comfort content should decline as people will commoditize transportation. Hell, I will keep my mustang for the future – yes I have an excuse now.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    26 My, how amateur radio has changed. When I was doing it, the commonly used frequencies were from about 3.6 to 30 MHz, or maybe it was still call megacycles/second.

  28. HtG Says:

    Interesting link, GA. I guess in about 3 months time we’ll see some comments be submitted. How do the ham radio people argue against the industry?

    I was surprised at how many comments came in when the US posted a Request for Info for my own matter. These things get attention.

  29. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Hey Kit,hf is,and was from 1.8 meg,( 160 meter band) to 30 meg,( 10 meter band).Now you can go into the 6 meter band,(50 meg), and just some years ago portions of the 60 meter band was opened up for us.I have 2 hf rigs,one is pretty new and has all the latest and greatest stuff,the old one is an old Icom 751.Not as fancy,but a real nice radio,and excellent receive.

  30. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ HtG,one real good reason is we,(ham operators) can do emergency communications when most other systems are down,we are licensed by the FCC to help out in that.But our bands have been slowly whittled away especially in the microwave bands where most of the sat experiments as well as other forms of commo are always being tested.You never know when those newer technologies will actually need to be used.Just sayin…

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    29 When I was into ham radio in the ’70′s, I used equipment that was old even then, a Gonset transmitter, and a Heathkit receiver. I don’t remember the model number of either, but the receiver was more “modern,” being transistor rather than tube.

    I had a novice license, so did only CW, mostly on the 15 meter band.

  32. Brett Says:

    I can remember listening to the radio and television stations in Anchorage signing off when I was a boy. “Licensed by the Federal Communication Commission to broadcast at a frequency of {insert number here} {mega/kilo}cycles per second.”

    I’m old…

  33. Kit Gerhart Says:

    32 I found that Hertz replaced cycles per second as the more-or-less “official” unit for frequency in 1960. People, including myself still use terms like KCs on occasion, like WBAA, the Purdue radio station is on 920 KCs.

  34. Bob Wilson Says:

    Where will the refreshed, “nanoFlowcell” electrolytes come from?

    The number of hydrogen, fuel-cell stations is counted on fingers and toes. These are the only stations at risk from “nanoFlowcell” stations.

    Today, the number of battery charging stations is measured in the 1,000s. If we include any 120 VAC outline, the battery charging stations is measured in the 100s of millions.

    Bob Wilson