AD #1611 – Tesla Reveals Battery for Homes, Q1 Global Car Sales Up, Can You Name This Car?

May 1st, 2015 at 11:48am

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- Tesla Reveals Battery for Homes
- GM Makes Big U.S. Investment
- Q1 Global Car Sales Up
- Honda Unveils Super Speedway Aero Kit
- Jeff Gordon To Pace Indy 500
- Can You Identify This Car?
- How Charity Pays Off For Automakers

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76 Comments to “AD #1611 – Tesla Reveals Battery for Homes, Q1 Global Car Sales Up, Can You Name This Car?”

  1. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It looks like a 50′s Packard.

  2. David Sprowl Says:

    ’51 Packard 200 Ultramatic

  3. G.A.Branigan Says:

    I think it’s a clipperton,or clipper.IDK..

  4. pedro fernandez Says:

    I believe it was an early 1950′s Ultramatic 200 model.

  5. pedro fernandez Says:

    WOW we sure got a lot of car guys here, impressive!

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Patrician 400 Ultramatic

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Packard/51_Packard_Patrician_400_TV_05_HH_v002.jpg

  8. Steve W Says:

    I believe it is a 1950 200

  9. Steve W Says:

    I believe it is a 1952 200

  10. James Riley Says:

    1951 – 1952 Packard 400 Patrician.

  11. mike mason Says:

    1952 packard 250 ultrmatic

  12. RumNCoke Says:

    It’s the new 2016 GAZ Super Turd from Russia. Man, those embargoes are really working. ;)

  13. G.A.Branigan Says:

    RumNCoke nails it ;}>

  14. HtG Says:

    Power Genius

    Musk is genius at getting attention. It doesn’t make headlines when Energy Secretary Ernest Moniz testifies to the Senate(this week) and twice brings up how promising local storage of electricity is becoming. But Elon whips out a press release and a box with his name on it? That’s guaranteed clicks. From what I’ve read, powergrids aren’t set up to power electric cars overnight and local storage may be an answer.

  15. B G SAHNER Says:

    1951 Packard Patrician 400

  16. HtG Says:

    14. And whaddayaknow, WaPo has a piece on local energy storage.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/energy-environment/wp/2015/04/30/why-teslas-announcement-could-be-such-a-big-deal/?tid=pm_pop_b

  17. RJ Says:

    General Motors eliminated 1000 jobs at it Oshawa plant moving production of the Camaro to Michigan even thought Canadian plants build better products !

  18. Charles E.Gramby Says:

    The name of the vehicle in question is 1951 Packard 200 Deluxe.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    17 Are they moving production of the current Camaro, or will that be the next one, which will be built on the ATS platform? If is the next one, it would make sense to build it where they build the Cadillacs.

  20. pedro fernandez Says:

    A local Chevy dealer had a bunch (9) of Spark models advertised at $9999.00 When I looked online, I found they were all manuals, good luck trying to move these in this automatic loving, heavy traffic area!

  21. HtG Says:

    Spotted–Nissan Murano in white. Don’t make up your minds until you see it on the road. Nothing else looks like THAT.

  22. pedro fernandez Says:

    HtG same thing was said about the Aztek!

  23. Kit Gerhart Says:

    21 Good or bad?

  24. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I usually agree on what are generally considered ugly cars, like Aztec, but I kind of liked the AMC Pacer, at least the two door.

  25. HtG Says:

    23. Hey, it’s me talking. But the ‘language’ of that car, its lines, is not like anything else. Nissan is intending this from what I can gather. (yeah, I like it)

  26. HtG Says:

    And sit in those seats. Oh, those are good.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Speaking of newish cars to the market, I stopped by the local Chrysler dealer this morning, and took a look at a Renegade. It seemed like a really nice run-around-town machine, if it drives decently. The seating position was very good, and the interior was nice enough, for the class. If it drives ok, I’d think it should do well. The few they had on the lot were 2.4 automatic, no 1.4 turbo manual. Maybe they learned something from the Dart launch. Most were FWD, as they should be in Florida.

  28. cwolf Says:

    GM makes BIG U.S. investment is over exaggerated. In reality it is nothing more than a token of good faith in light of the upcoming contract negotiations. The truth is; Since the 2008 crisis, over 25% of once U.S production has shifted to Mexico. Everybody is going there because the labor rate is over 5 times less than the U.S. and Canada. Fine with me, so let the Mexicans buy these smaller cars.

  29. Stuart Says:

    It’s a 51 or 52 Packard. The bottle cap openers on the side means that is a 300 or 400 model. The Clipper name was ‘t used Until 53. The junior Packard in 51,52 would be a 200 model. Packard Ultramatic was used in some Hudson , Nash and a few Studebaker cars. It featured a lock up torque converter

  30. Kit Gerhart Says:

    27 For those who don’t know, Renegade is built in Italy, like Ferarri and Lamborghini. U.S. market Fiats come from Mexico and Serbia, though. I think the 500x will come from Italy, the same plant as Renegade.

  31. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit, IMHO this Renegade is a Jeep in name only, it is actually a Fiat 500X with some Jeep insignias and stuff thrown in, I also saw one in person, the top of the line 4WD version and it looks nice, but it is still a Fiat.

  32. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I don’t know if I’m missing (the boat) as in the newest of cars, and how they drive, but I just drove from Charleston, SC to Cocoa Beach Fl in my ’11 STS and what a dream that ‘ride’ gives me. Running 70 mph (with a slight breeze from behind) and the mpg was just nudging the 30 mpg barrier. I know we mostly talk about the latest and greatest (here) but some of the less than newer rides are still pretty substantial. Just some misc. rambling (by me) today.

  33. pedro fernandez Says:

    Some of the nicest riding highway cruisers are not necessarily new cars, some of the older stuff is just as nice w/o the complexity of today’s cars. Chuck, I think the biggest difference is in the new smaller cars, much better riding, quieter and more “substantial” than its predecessors.

  34. Kit Gerhart Says:

    30 If the Renegade has decent reliability, it should be a nice vehicle, for its type. I don’t think I’d trust it, though, at least early on.

    The most common powertrain will be the 2.4/9-speed automatic used in other vehicles. It gets mixed reviews in other applications, with good gas mileage, but so-so performance and refinement. It should be at it best in the relatively light Renegade.

  35. Kit Gerhart Says:

    31 Chuck, I’m about 50 feet from Cocoa Beach right now.

    Does your STS have the 3.6? I’m thinking the Northstar was dropped by then, probably a good thing, based on what I read in that long term reliability story we were discussing here a few days ago.

  36. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit, I thought you’d be back home to Indy by now!!!

  37. Kit Gerhart Says:

    35 Two weeks.

  38. pedro fernandez Says:

    Making sure winter is gone for good? LOL

  39. pedro fernandez Says:

    The Chrysler 9 speed is not even built by them, perhaps in hindsight, they should have done a good 6 speed instead, way too many gears to make it practical.

  40. Kit Gerhart Says:

    38 The 9-speed is a ZF design, build by Chrysler in Kokomo, Indiana. From most of the reviews on cars with it, it sounds like they don’t have the shift programming worked out very well. It should be glassy smooth, with the closely spaced ratios, but for some reason, it doesn’t seem to work as well as it should.

  41. G.A.Branigan Says:

    The problems with the ZF 9 spds is software related.From all the reviews I have read on the PMC with the 2.4/zf 9 spd,the only complaints is you have to going 75+mpg for it to engage 9th gear.Now,just my own rambling on this,SHOULD they offer a small diesel as an option,they could easily reprogram the 9th gear to engage say at 60mph because of the low end torque from the diesel.

  42. pedro fernandez Says:

    GA I thought the whole idea was to get them most MPG from those vehicles equipped with said transmission, going over 75 is not economic nor safe.

  43. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I just read a C & D review of a Renegade with the 2.4/9-speed auto, and their main complaint is what you mention, G.A., it almost never makes it to 9th gear. Also, they said it spends too much time almost lugging the engine, presumably to maximize mpg.

    I haven’t driven anything with this powertrain; I’ve just read reviews, but I’ll probably go to a dealer and drive something with it in a few weeks. I’m curious. As far as it almost lugging the engine, I might like that just fine, because that’s how I usually drive manual transmissions, to maximize mpg.

    I don’t know how many different final drive ratios they use, but I assume the PMC, for example, would have shorter gearing than a Renegade or 200. Maybe they should use the PMC gearing in the smaller vehicles, and use shorter gearing than that for the PMC.

  44. Kit Gerhart Says:

    40 In most of the rest of the world, you have a choice of 3 different diesels, and manual transmissions.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_Doblò#Engines_2

  45. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #34 Kit,
    yeah, the 3.6 with the six speed tranny

    Beautiful day in Fl today, high 70′s, a little breezy and not humid (yet). Headed out for cruise tomorrow; down Caribbean way. I’ll have a drink for all you guys/gals on my absence (have to catch up with the shows when I get back).

  46. Kit Gerhart Says:

    What ship, Chuck? I was on Carnival Liberty a few months ago.

  47. cwolf Says:

    I would appreciate it if one of you guys took the time to drive any of the cars based upon the fiat 500. Due to the low number I see on the road around here, I’d expect first impressions would be quite true to long term expectations. I really don’t think a 9 speed tranny is needed on anything but larger vehicles.

  48. pedro fernandez Says:

    cwolf, you got the 500 confused with the 500L and 500X, the latter 2 are based on a different, larger platform which is used for the Renegade as well. The reviews I’ve seen/read on the 500L have been mostly negative.

  49. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The highest volume vehicles with the Chrysler/ZF 9-speed would be Cherokee and 200. Both use the transmission with both engines, 2.4 four cyl and 3.6 V6.

    With a lot of ratios, you can space them closely, good for smoothness, and still have a tall top gear for highway mpg. When you use more than 5 or 6 gears, though, there seem to be diminishing returns.

  50. Kit Gerhart Says:

    45, 46 The only engine used in the US market 500L, manual and automatic, is the Fiat 1.4 turbo. It doesn’t work well in a 3000 pound car, especially with the automatic.

    The 500x will use the same power trains as Renegade, 1.4 turbo manual, and 2.4 with the 9-speed automatic.

  51. Don Wagner Says:

    #10 is the winner. The Packard is a 1951 Patrician 400. per this URL: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/brochures/packard/51pa/351pa.html
    As for the Ultramatic, that was the name of Packard’s automatic transmission,(and as was common those days, was spelled out on the fender, or other places on a car) NOT Buick’s. Dynaflo was Buick’s automatic, only a single speed with a really high variable stall torque converter.
    Ultramatic was probably the first automatic with a lockup clutch. The transmission was actually a two-speed with the lockup being equivalent to a third gear. My dad bought a 1955 Packard Clipper Constellation (the two-door hardtop) which had Ultramatic. With the V-8, the transmission was somewhat delicate. Problems a couple of times.. The best feature was the Torsion Level Ride. For the trivia buffs, what was that?

    Here is a link to a web site on American Car Brochures that you guys might enjoy: http://www.lov2xlr8.no/broch1.html
    Was passed along by a friend of mine.

  52. C-Tech Says:

    I know certain people bash Chrysler every chance they get, but I have to say after driving a 200 with the 3.6L and 9 speed it was smooth, did not have a jerky shift (like the Ford Focus DCT), and the interior was top notch. I don’t have any worries about the Renegade not being a real Jeep, remember Ford built many WWII Jeeps and Jeep sourced parts from the Big 3 (among others) for many years. Jeep used the 2.8L V6 from GM in early Cherokees.

  53. Chuck Grenci Says:

    #44 Kit
    We’re heading out today (Sunday) on the Disney Magic; (we like the Disney experience; no gambling but that’s okay with us).

    On transmissions: Since my driving began, drove automatics with 2,3,4,5,6 speeds, some total slushboxes some with lockup converter. I really don’t know when diminishing returns begins (and that it changes with different type vehicles and sized engines/applications). I’m thinking 8 speeds are plenty but some 9′s and 10′s on the way; 10 has got to be enough I would think.

  54. Kit Gerhart Says:

    50 Have fun on your cruise. I’ve never been on a Disney cruise, because I am too cheap. I’m sure I’d like it, though. I wouldn’t care about the casino either. To me, the casino on the Royal Caribbean and Carnival ships I normally go on, is a smokey place you walk through to get to the other end of the ship.

    I’ve had 3,4, and 5 speed automatics, and the power splitter “CVT” in the Prius. In some ways, it seems like you are reacging diminishing returns with 4 speeds, at least with small engines, using the previous generation Corolla. It got competitive gas mileage and acceleration was only a little behind class leaders.

    With big engines, you need really tall gearing to maximize highway mpg, and lots of closely spaced gears make the shifts smoother on the way to that tall top gear. Still, 7 or 8 seems like plenty. Mercedes seems to think 7 is a good number.

  55. Chuck Grenci Says:

    ’65 Chevy Impala, 283 V-8 with a Powerglide (two speed auto, no lockup torque converter, for those of younger age); got the job done (but probably 15 mpg, hwy) back in the day. Gas at 30 cents/gallon (but that probably extrapolates to about 3 bucks in today’s money).

    And that’s all from me (for awhile); heading out this morning………………soon, and I’m ready. :)

  56. pedro fernandez Says:

    Kit I drove an 09 corolla with the 4 speed and the I noticed the tach was way up there at highway speeds, much higher than some of the new 6 speeds and DCT I have also tried out.

  57. Kit Gerhart Says:

    With smaller engines, higher revs, up to a point, don’t hurt steady speed mpg that much. My MINI turns about 2400 rpm at 60 mph, 3000 rpm at 75, and gets decent mileage, given its non-slippery shape. I’ve had tanks of over 40 mpg, when a lot of the driving is moderate speed highway on two-lane roads. I got 34-35 on an 1100 trip from FL to IN. I doubt if taller gearing would have helped much with my 1.6 engine. With a big engine, like in a Corvette, you’d get horrible mpg at 3000 rpm on the interstate, but with the tall gearing they now use, you get mid-high 20′s, even with that big engine.

  58. pedro fernandez Says:

    I have to think that a higher gear also cuts down on engine wear and tear as well, I don’t know how much RPM’s my 3 speed Crapolla shows at highway speeds and I don’t want to know cause most likely it would scare the crap out of me looking at that needle passing the 4k mark at 65 mph.

  59. HtG Says:

    If I’m driving the Civic in 5th on the highway I can forget about responsiveness to the throttle. But put it into 3rd and the car will launch itself. Also 4th is the choice for some long hills.

  60. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Too-high revs are not good for engines, nor is “lugging.”

    Probably the ultimate case of too-high revs that I’m familiar with was the 1950 Plymouth I drove while in high school. It had a flat head inline six with a stroke of 4 3/8 inches. As I remember, the car had a 3.55 rear axle ratio, so the engine would have turned ~3000 rpm at 60, and 3500 rpm at 70 mph, way to fast for good engine life at highway speed. Overdrive was available, which would have helped both gas mileage and engine life, but our car didn’t have overdrive.

  61. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Test

  62. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Hmm. My last post didn’t work, but I don’t know why not.

  63. C-Tech Says:

    Test

  64. C-Tech Says:

    Same here Kit. tried a post on the STS

  65. C-Tech Says:

    Some believe the STS-V will be a collectible car in the future.

  66. G.A.Branigan Says:

    PMC and the 9 spd auto: The range of gearing,among other things gives the PMC great versatility when you consider that the internal paylod is 1800lbs+,and towing max of 2klbs,all at once.The 9 spd allows for that unbelievable load capacity while still delivering good mpgs.The 9th gear for 75+mph wouldn’t do me any good since the max speed in my state is 65.But there are states that have much higher spd limits,so there it would shine.

    I will be buying the wagon instead of the cargo van,but all payload specs remain the same for both.As for a diesels that Kit mentioned,yup ‘over there’ they gets them,’over here’ we doesn’t…..go figure.

  67. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Chuck G: Have a great time on yer cruise.remember,don’t drink the water,don’t eat th food,LOL ;}>

  68. HtG Says:

    GA and Kit, you guys want to see something cool? Here’s a video from NASA of an electric powered, vertical take off model plane.

    Yeah, yeah, off topic. I know…

    http://www.nasa.gov/langley/ten-engine-electric-plane-completes-successful-flight-test

  69. G.A.Branigan Says:

    That is very cool indeed.Thanx HtG. You wouldn’t believe the tech that avilable,and for the most part,affordable for rc flying.Simply amazing.Although I am new to rc planes,the computer radio I had for my rc helis was just unbelievable.

  70. Kit Gerhart Says:

    64 Pretty cool. Along these lines, I keep hearing that they keep crashing these multimillion dollar drones when landing them from halfway around the world. Signal lag, etc., along with the difficulty of landing using a camera in the nose. I have a suggestion. Have an experienced RC flyer where they refuel, load bombs, etc., and land them visually. They would break a lot fewer of them.

  71. Kit Gerhart Says:

    64 I tried to respond to this post, but no luck. I guess I have been semi-banned?

  72. HtG Says:

    I doubt it, Kit. Try a hard restart of your phone or device.

  73. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Tried a different device. No luck. I emailed John.

  74. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t get it, since #68 worked.

  75. G.A.Branigan Says:

    @ Kit: I had the same problems several weeks ago and thought I was hit with the ban hammer.

    @ 68: Yup that would decrease the ‘hard landings’.These are ‘piloted’ remotely as we know,and engage the enemy remotely.A number of year some air force general wanted to award the air medal to drone pilots for combat.I was among the many who have this award and was very vocal to my reps about NOT giving them the award as they were not there,they were themselves not in a combat theater,and they experienced no danger to themselves.They didn’t get the award and the matter was closed.

  76. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #’s 58 and 68 are the ones that wouldn’t post yesterday. I learned that “lugging” was a banned word, because it contains “ugg.” Thanks, John, for putting up my posts.