AD #1966 – Europe Could Bring Back Larger Engines, Large Euro Vans Take U.S. by Storm, Geely Creates New Brand

October 14th, 2016 at 11:44am

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- Europe Could Bring Back Larger Engines
- EVs Forcing Platinum Prices Down
- Large Euro Vans Take U.S. by Storm
- Geely Creates New Brand Below Volvo
- How Autonomy & Connectivity Will Benefit OEMs

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20 Comments to “AD #1966 – Europe Could Bring Back Larger Engines, Large Euro Vans Take U.S. by Storm, Geely Creates New Brand”

  1. Kevin Anderson Says:

    Shouldn’t we assume that the total number of miles driven will stay the same with autonomous cars? If those cars are used 100% more intensively (4 hours a day instead of 2), won’t that mean half as many sold, but replaced twice as quickly. (ie no net chance to manufacturers) I would expect to see a surge of sales, followed by a drop off, followed by a return to normal. More importantly, won’t the autonomous car destroy the used car market?? No one has commented on that yet.

  2. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Sean,
    Do you know the powertrain mix for the Transit van in the U.S.? Is the I-5 diesel the top seller?

  3. M360 Says:

    That is an interesting chart above, showing the Large Euro Van Sales in the US. Ford is the dominant producer of these vans, among Mercedes, Nissan and RAM. However, where is GM in all of this? Are they out of it? What happened to them?

  4. Lex Says:

    I was always concerned that these smaller turbo charged engines would have short service longevity. John McElroy has mentioned several times that if Big Oil would just clean up it’s act during the refining of gasoline we could all be burning cleaner fuel and therefore reduce CO2 emissions into the atmosphere.

  5. GM Veteran Says:

    Interestingly, if you include the old-style vans in this list, the number two seller would be the Chevy Express with 49,751 sales and Ford’s Econoline ranks third with 40,195 sales. Strangely, while the Chevy Express is down over last year, the Econoline is up roughly 1,500 units! The GMC Savana would rank just above the incredibly ugly Nissan NV series with 13,896 sales through September, also down over last year.

    Ford has to be very pleased with their combined Transit and Econoline sales!

  6. Lex Says:

    I believe it is a mistake for Geely to introduce another automotive brand (LYNK) into the market. What Geely should consider doing is partner with another well established OEM like VW or FCA and test their products in targeted markets. In this way to limit their exposure and investment in manufacturing and distribution. The Lynk nameplate could be used as the introductory model. Doesn’t Ford own the copy write to the Lynk name?

  7. Brett Says:

    That LWB high-top Transit would make a fine camping rig for attending folk festivals.

  8. Sean McElroy Says:

    @M360 – GM does not have a large Euro van in the U.S. It still offers the BoF Express and Savana. But to echo what GM Vet said and the numbers provided, the Express is up 12.5% while the Savana is down 15.2%.

  9. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Does GM plan to replace the Express/Savana any time soon, or ever? It’s probably a hard sell against the newer vans, except for those who “gotta have a V8.”

  10. C-TECH Says:

    My long term predictions for the autonomous auto impact: the first wave will be more expensive to buy or lease than a conventional auto so upscale buyers will be the first to adopt. Since an autonomous auto is ideal for cab and livery vehicles it may be prudent to offer upscale models for personal use and commercial models.

  11. C-TECH Says:

    With greater use in a shared autonomous auto it will require more maintenance. Will there be enough trained techs for these autos? If you call for an autonomous auto and the previous riders were smokers will it detect this, or leave you trapped for your commute?

  12. C-TECH Says:

    How much larger engines are engineers considering? Just larger 4 cyl. engines or bringing back V6′s?

  13. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Kit – I don’t have access to that information, but I’ve sent the question over to someone at Ford. It looks like they’re trying to help. Hopefully I get an answer.

  14. Lisk Says:

    The idea of smaller engines improving fuel economy without significant weight & aero reduction was pure snake oil. The small engines perform better in the city cycles, but at highway speeds they rev too high to save any fuel. The old Buick 3.8 V6 in large sedans could easily get 30 mpg on the road. Look at the Corvette; 460hp and 7-speed manuals can get 30 mpg as well, mostly because the power reserves are so great that the engine is barely turning 1,400 rpms.
    Today’s small engines has tremendous power density, but to produce that power, they have to burn a lot of fuel.

  15. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #13 Thanks, Sean

    #14 My Corvette gets about 29.5 on the interstate at 75-80 mph, with the 8-speed autobox. It turns about 1600 rpm at 80 mph. My Mini gets only about 35 mpg in similar driving on the interstate.

    The Mini does much better in my “around town” driving, 36-37 mpg, vs 20-21 for the Vette in similar driving. I have a fairly extreme case of big engine/small engine, but it kind of confirms things.

  16. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Kit – The best Ford would tell me is that 1 in 3 Transit vans are sold with an EcoBoost engine. Hope that helps.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    @Sean–Thanks for the info. I was most curious about the take rate of the diesel, but maybe that’s secret. Anyway, thanks.

  18. OMEGATALON Says:

    It was reported just this week that the 2017 Ford F150 gets about 2mpg better mileage than a Chevy Silverado equipped with a 5.3L EcoTec OHV-2v V8 as despite being considerably lighter because of the aluminum used, the F150′s EcoBoost V6 needs to work hard and it makes you wonder whether a naturally aspirated V6 or small displacement V8 could do better.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    In CR’s tests, the F150 2.7 turbo got 1 mpg better “overall” mileage, 1 mpg better city mileage, and 1 mpg worse highway mpg than the Silverado with the 5.3. The trucks were crew cab, 4WD, and the Ford was ~400 pounds lighter than the Chevy.

    The CR “city” test is very severe, compared with the EPA test, yielding 11 and 12 mpg, respectively, for the Ford and Chevy trucks. The highway test is at a constant 65 mph, giving 23 mpg for the Chevy, and 22 for the Ford.

    The bottom line, at least with pickup trucks, is that smaller turbos do slightly better in stop and go driving, and larger, naturally aspirated engines do slightly better at constant highway speed.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Oops, that’s 11 and 12 mpg respectively for the Chevy and Ford in CR’s city test.