AD #2229 – Buick Reveals 2nd Avenir Model, GM & Ford SUV Battle, Navistar & VW Create EV School Bus

November 8th, 2017 at 11:27am

Runtime: 6:20

0:29 Navistar & VW Create EV School Bus
1:08 GM & Ford SUV Battle
2:29 Waymo Launches New AV Service
3:06 Renault AV Able to Avoid Obstacles at High Speeds
4:13 Buick Reveals 2nd Avenir Model
4:53 Hyundai Cuts Back On Fleet Sales

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22 Comments to “AD #2229 – Buick Reveals 2nd Avenir Model, GM & Ford SUV Battle, Navistar & VW Create EV School Bus”

  1. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I wonder how Renault’s AV Able, that is able to avoid obstacles, makes a decision when a crash is inevitable and has to pick the lesser of two evils. Also whether it can differentiate between obstacles, humans and animals (and what priority each is given).

  2. MJB Says:

    As I see it, there’s no more ‘battle’ between Lincoln and GM SUVs than there is between neckties and bow ties. They both do the job. But one will always be far more preferred by the masses over the other.

    Escalade is king – mic drop. ;)

  3. Lambo2015 Says:

    GM was smart and went after the large SUV market. Knowing the crown vic was being retired they developed a Police version that ran the slalom faster than the Crown Vic. It had the power and room that police needed. Plus the design is more attractive to the general public where Ford tried to maintain the aggressive Truck vibe.

  4. Buzzerd Says:

    with the Renault’s system will or could it over rule the driver? If the driver say target fixated or didn’t correct enough could the system still work? or is the human the limiting factor?

  5. WineGeek Says:

    Hi Sean when will Hyundai come out with an SUV for the Genesis line that is what they really need to start to move that nameplate.

  6. Barry T Says:

    I believe Hyundai and Kia missed a big opportunity with their new hybrids that are either hatchback/CUV. The Kia Niro in particular should’ve had much stronger or more aggressive styling, especially on the front and go after a traditional SUV crowd.

    Why do all the automakers seemingly think that if you want a hybrid, you also want to look wimpy or weird?

  7. joe Says:

    And, GM could also say it is sick and tired of having Ford dominate the truck market. My opinion is GM’s Silverado trucks are just as good, but GM needs better marketing.

  8. Ziggy Says:

    Watching today’s show just reminded me of one of my free tips for the auto industry that I will now bestow upon them: Build all models with an option of having just two doors. Now before you all go off on this idea, saying that coupes just don’t sell and aren’t worth the tooling it takes to make them, let me explain. I’m not talking about making coupes where sedans are also made, I’m talking about just not having the rear doors of the vehicles. How many times have you actually seen people using the rear doors of 4 door vehicles? Exactly. Without the rear doors and just sheet metal in their place the vehicle could be offered for a lower cost because doors are one of the most expensive body components on a car. It would also lower the weight and complexity of the vehicle and add to it’s rigidity. You could still have the rear seats in case you actually do want to carry passengers, but on those rare occasions the passengers could enter and exit from the passenger side with a sliding forward seat, just like the old coupes had. I for one would go for this in a big way, because I think two door vehicles are way more stylish than their four door counterparts and in many ways more practical. Well, that’s it for the free stuff, contact me automakers if you want the rest and I’m sure we can come to some sort of an arrangement. Let the tomato throwing begin!

  9. G.A.Branigan Says:


  10. FSTFWRD Says:

    @8 Ziggy, Sorry, I think that is a poor idea. Not only would the vehicle looks stupid, I doubt it would sell very well. We have an Acura TL and open and use the rear doors every day. Access to the rear seat would be very difficult using only the R/H side even with a seat that would slide far forward. And how about all those parents with car seats?? Go down to one of your local schools or park with ball fields and see how often those rear doors are used.

  11. Chuck Grenci Says:

    @ #9, G.A., I guess not quite ready for prime time. And this was a relatively closed loop function autonomous vehicle. It doesn’t take many ‘incidents’ for the public to loose confidence in this technology (even though, in most cases, it exceeds the human controlled vehicle). I think we are at a two steps forward, one step back (time in autonomy); it’s still going to be awhile. Yeah, I know it’s still coming just not as quick as some are saying.

  12. Don B. Says:

    Sean at the intro you say “Buick is putting more muscle behind it’s Avenir brand” you did not say anything about the engine. If you did not mean horsepower you should use a different word, backbone, plushness. I was waiting to hear that Buick got the 400+ hp motor from Cadillac.

  13. Sunrack Says:

    School busses are a natural for electrification as their constant stopping and starting can utilize regenerative braking and save brake linings as well. Battery packaging can happen in the formally wasted space along the frame rails and they can be charged overnight and during school hours. With diesel emission control complexity now becoming such a cost and maintenance burden there may be no other choice.

  14. Lambo2015 Says:

    #8 Ziggy I’m guessing you haven’t had children yet. Just try and install or remove a car seat into the back seat of a coupe. Let alone do it with your infant inside it. Or ask one of your grandparents to climb into the back seat over the sill under the belt between the pillar and tilted front seat. Then they need to turn around. Its not graceful I know I have a CTS Coupe. To make matters worse the seats are electric so moving them forward takes a minute as it slowly creeps forward while you stand in the rain. Yea I rarely have anyone ride back there and don’t have little ones but most people do.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    Yea I could see city busses and school busses being the best place to offer an EV/AV vehicle. They typically don’t reach high speeds lots of stop and go which is where the EVs excel. School busses are only used for about 3 to 4 hours a day leaving plenty of time to charge and probably don’t need a very long range as school bus routes are usually less than 20 miles. Probably still need an adult onboard to monitor behavior even though they cant do anything without being sued so maybe just cameras.

  16. Kit Gerhart Says:

    8 Ziggy, the doors of the two door would need to be longer, like tbey were when two door versions of almost all cars were made. I like two door cars.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    14 57 percent of U.S. households are childless.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    17 Of that 57% how many have grandkids or transport passengers in the rear seat? I mean I get it I love coupes too. I have one but it is a pain for people to use the rear seat.
    I look at a coupe as being for that person that could have a two seater sports car but wanted the rear seat for that few times a year they may need it. I think mine has been used less than a dozen times in 4 years. Its where I keep a jacket.

  19. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Like station wagons (i.e., coupes), if they sold they would make them. As it is, there are a few out there (as there are a few station wagons); so goes the market.

  20. Kit Gerhart Says:

    19 What you say is true, but if you have essentially no choice, how do we really know. If there were Camry, Accord, Fusion, and Malibu wagons available, we’d know more about how wagons sell. Honda has deliberately caused the Accord coupe to sell poorly, by having almost no color choice.

  21. G.A.Branigan Says:

    Isn’t the upcoming Jeep Grand Wagoneer a station wagon?

  22. Chuck Grenci Says:

    If they build it, they will come?……..don’t think so.