AD #2243 – Car, Truck & Utility Finalists, Alfa Heads Back to F1, Mitsubishi Resurrects the Eclipse

November 30th, 2017 at 12:02pm

Runtime: 7:35

0:49 Car, Truck & Utility Finalists
1:25 Alfa Heads Back to F1
1:55 Rahal Joins Jaguar EV Racing Series
2:55 Toyota Concept Could Hint at Future Styling
3:36 Mercedes Reveals New CLS
4:40 Mitsubishi Resurrects the Eclipse
5:43 Just for Kicks
6:16 BMW i8 Goes Topless

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31 Comments to “AD #2243 – Car, Truck & Utility Finalists, Alfa Heads Back to F1, Mitsubishi Resurrects the Eclipse”

  1. Lex Says:

    I like that Toyota Concept! It could be the next gen RAV 4 if it was toned down somewhat.
    I especially like the new grill / nose.

  2. buzzerd Says:

    So I assume the Kicks is a replacement for the Juke?
    I really like the looks of the i8 even if it’s not that spectacular a car.

  3. Sean McElroy Says:

    @Lex – I too thought the same thing about the RAV4, but have a little bit different of a take on the styling. The concept shown here would likely be a TRD version, where its rugged, aggressive styling has a better fit. While the standard version would likely be toned down.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    So they now have two NACTOTY classes for tall wagons? Yikes

  5. Lambo2015 Says:

    The Toyota concept reminded me of the horrible plastic fender flares that GM used on the Avalanche but worse with the way Toyota’s separate from the body at the top. I did like the grill though.

    The Mitsubishi Eclipse CUV with a turbo 1.5L seems like it will be way underpowered for any highway driving. Will be interesting to hear the expected HP numbers.

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Unless Sauber F1 does better than in the recent past, I wouldn’t think putting Alfa’s name on the cars would be very good publicity. I’m hoping they become more competitive.

  7. Kit Gerhart Says:

    5 Almost everyone uses 1.5 liter turbos in these things. Escape, Equinox, and CR-V all use them 1.5 turbos as one of their engine choices.

  8. buzzerd Says:

    Nissan Kicks – apparently a whole 125HP, or about the same as my motorcycle.

  9. BobD Says:

    #5 – I totally agree the fender flairs on the Toyota concept are weird and likely (hopefully) will not make it to production. First the two notches at the top are ugly. And for the gap between the plastic flare and the body, that would be a trap for mud and snow/salt that would lead to early rusting. What are they thinking?

  10. BobD Says:

    I thought the whole purpose of adding the “utility” category a few years ago was to get them out of the “truck” category so the real pickups could battle it out. So why are the Ford Expedition and Lincoln Navigator in the running for Truck of the Year? Seems like the Colorado ZR2 should win by default (although perhaps I’m biased since I have a ZR2 ordered).

  11. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I don’t understand the reason for the Kicks. It is about exactly the same size as the Rogue Sport, so what’s the point? I wonder if they wanted to call it “Kix,” but General Mills has that word trade marked.

  12. Lisk Says:

    In the awards, I’d give the Accord the title over the Camry because it doesn’t look like it was designed by a 6th grader in study hall. The Odyssey gets the nod in the Utility category because the world still needs a great passenger van. Truck winners should be the Navigator as it looks to finally have hit the mark (no pun intended) in the luxury segment.

    Alfa badging Ferrari F1 engines. Why?

    I’m not sure if the wording “before the turbocharged 3-cylinder gasoline engine kicks
    in” is the correct phrasing for the I8. Can a
    turbocharged 3-cylinder gasoline engine kick in, really. :)

  13. Lex Says:

    I refuse to look at any vehicle which only offers a engine less than 2.0 Liters in size.
    I still can not get over the fact that Honda put a 2.4 Liter in the Base CR-V LX and a 1.5 Turbo in all higher trim levels? The Turbo only produces 5 more Horsepower over the 2.4 Liter engine which has been in the CR-V for a long time.

    The new GM CUV “Twins” Equinox and Terrain are pushing almost $40K if you want all the bells and whistles with the 2.0 Liter Turbo. At least their turbo generates 240HP.

    Mitsubishi new Eclipse CUV will be competing directly against it’s in house brother the Outlander Sport. Does that make any sense?
    The one thing I do not like about Mitsubishi styling is the large amount of chrome on the front fascia of their vehicles. They need to tone it down. There vehicles are behind the times in technology and styling. Those blacked out wheels on most of their mid and upper trim vehicles maybe “Gangster” but average buyers what good reliable transportation that looks clean and is easy to maintain.

  14. Roger Blose Says:

    The Navigator has much to like including the Raptor engine and high zoot front seats.

  15. Lex Says:

    I would like to ask the following question since I received helpful information regarding my question of yesterday “When is it better to buy or lease a new vehicle”.

    Today’s question is: What do you do if you do not have a clean CARFAX? The reason I am asking this question must be obvious. My Trade In was involved in a minor parking lot scrape. Now at trade in time the dealers want to reduce the value of my trade by hundreds if not thousands because of a unclean CARFAX. What should I do? Do I “Buy” again and hope for no incidents during ownership or “Lease” and have the peace of mind that at the end of the lease I can just walk away or buy it if it has been good to me. What is your opinion?

  16. Lisk Says:

    13) The big push on the small displacement turbos isn’t so much about horsepower, but torque. Most small turbo fours produce a nice flat torque curve from just off idle to nearly redline. Everybody wants high horsepower numbers but torque is what you feel at launch, mid range passing etc. And small turbo fours do a heck of a nice job fooling the EPA machines into giving them a significant mileage boost.

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    If you lease, won’t they “ding” you some money for the unclean CARFAX when you turn the car in?

  18. Lex Says:

    The Rogue Sport is small enough for the American market but the Kicks is competing against the KIA Soul which maybe boxier and the Honda HR-V. Those two vehicles are doing quite well. The Kicks will probably cannibalize Rogue Sport Sales in offered in American market.

    One design criticism is that I wish OEM’s would use circular bezels and apertures for Fog Lights on all there vehicles. I prefer function over styling cues or forms.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #13, 16

    CR got a 0.4 second better 0-60 time with the 1.5T CR-V, compared to the 2.4. They got 1 mpg better fuel economy with the turbo, both city and highway. With such similar performance, I wonder if the turbo just “feels better” to a lot of people, enticing them to buy the more expensive trim level.

  20. Lambo2015 Says:

    #7 Kit I wouldn’t buy an Escape, Equinox, or CR-V either with such a small engine. I know they are after the high MPG of the small engines but Id take 26mpg over the 33 to enjoy what I drive and be able to pass a vehicle at 65mph. Its only about an extra $300 a year in fuel.. Like half a tank a month.
    I suppose its fine if you plan to just use it around town, just not anything I would ever buy.

  21. Lex Says:

    @ 17, Good Question Kit Gerhart. I have not experience with returning a leased vehicle. I only leased once and purchased the vehicle at the end of the lease because it was a great deal! I tend to keep my vehicles for 5 to 10 years in excellent condition inside and out.

  22. Lisk Says:

    15) Leasing makes the Car Fax issue go away, but the problem I have with it is it’s hard to tell just how much you are paying for the car. You have to worry about the miles you put on a car. You may start the lease with plenty of mileage but then your jobs gets you transferred or an illness pops up and now you’re driving 10-15,000 miles over the agreed limit. At 25 cents per mile, that can rack up fast. Then you have to pay to give the car back- $250-600.
    Leasing has it’s pluses; basically no money spent maintaining the car for 3 years. Do the oil changes by the book, not your heart or gut. If 60 minutes does a special on your car and it’s unsafe, you won’t have that to deal with.

    Personally I’d buy rather than lease…unless you’re thinking electric, then lease for sure!

  23. Lambo2015 Says:

    #13 I would guess most everyone on this site understands that HP is just a calculation of torque x RPM divided by 5252. So yea when a sports bike has 100hp sounds impressive until you hear its at 14,000 rpm. Then you realize that’s only 37ftlbs of torque.
    So although the little turbo engines may launch ok my concern is top end and having something left when your already going 60mph.

  24. Lambo2015 Says:

    My response was to #16 not 13

  25. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Horsepower is what counts, both for acceleration and top speed. You just need to keep the engine at its horsepower peak rpm to maximize acceleration. These many-speed transmissions, and CVT’s, should be programmed to do that, when the right pedal is on the floor.

    Under gentle acceleration, most of today’s turbos, with automatics, run lower revs than the non-turbos which have less torque at lower rpm.

  26. Chuck Grenci Says:

    Torque gets you going (acceleration) and horsepower keeps you going (top speed); at least that’s the way I’ve heard it.

    Put me down for Accord, Volvo and the ZR2.

  27. Kit Gerhart Says:

    One horsepower does 550 foot-pounds/second of work. As Lambo said in #23, the relationship between torque in lb-ft, RPM, and HP is torque x RPM + 5252 = HP.

    From a practical sense, a 200 HP engine will accelerate a 3000 pound vehicle at the same rate, regardless of its torque/power curve, if you keep it at its peak power RPM, at speeds above where acceleration is traction limited.

  28. Kit Gerhart Says:

    That’s torque x RPM ÷ 5252 = HP. I needed my glasses when typing #27.

  29. DROMANSKI Says:

    Everyone talks about small displacement vehicles with turbos, don’t knock them until you drive one… I have a 1 liter Ecoboost 3 in my Ford Fiesta it is a fun car to drive! There is no need to down shift on the highway it is a torque monster and a pleasure to drive!

  30. Ctech Says:

    It seems to me that either way there is a cost. If you own a vehicle and the value goes down due to accident, then it is your loss. There are some insurance policies which take loss of value into account. You could try and sell the car yourself, it is a hassle, but you could net more money. If you lease, believe me if the repair is substandard, or substantial then the leasing company will bill you at turn-in or after (there is an inspection).

  31. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Leasing seems best for those who want a new Benz, BMW, Jaguar, etc. every 3 or 4 years, and know how much they will drive it. They can drive their expensive car, knowing how much it will cost, and not have to deal with selling/trading the cars.

    When I buy a car, I don’t know how long I will want to keep it. I’ve had the same van for 28.5 years, but I sometimes sell a car after two years. Leasing wouldn’t work well for me.

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