AD #2270 – Ford Spends Billions on EVs, Ferrari Wants to Take on Tesla, Eyes on Design Winners

January 17th, 2018 at 11:41am

Runtime: 6:23

0:24 Ford Cuts Back on Cars
1:14 Infiniti Plans Electrified Line-Up
1:49 Ferrari Wants to Take on Tesla
2:47 IndyCar Debuts New Aero Kit
3:45 Eyes on Design Winners
4:49 Kia Reveals the New Forte

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19 Comments to “AD #2270 – Ford Spends Billions on EVs, Ferrari Wants to Take on Tesla, Eyes on Design Winners”

  1. Frederick Schmidt Says:

    Electric cars…don’t like them..I am not a fan of Chrysler products due to quality issues and a Chrysler that went the lemon law year ago. But I hope they never turn away from V8 engines with big horsepower.

  2. Lambo2015 Says:

    Ford wants to roll out 40 new electrified models globally by 2022? Does it even have 40 models now globally? They must be including the mid and heavy duty truck lines.
    I wonder if any of that 11 billion is going toward charging stations.

  3. Drew Says:

    @2 – I’ll bet Ford will count a HEV and PHEV on the same nameplate/body as 2 toward the 40.

  4. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Maybe each trim level counts toward the 40, like Fusion S, Fusion SE, and Fusion Titanium.

  5. Len Simpson Says:

    Glad to see Nissan ePower moving fwd , it’s the EV system that really makes the most sense,. Simpler,lighter,cheaper . The most uncomfortable test drive I ever made was a Nissan CVT . The uncertainy & indecision was most disconcerting

  6. Kit Gerhart Says:

    I still don’t understand why Nissan wants to make a hybrid that will get worse highway mpg than a non-hybrid, and having a big “full power” electric motor, will probably be more expensive to make than the usual hybrids. If they used a big battery, making it a plug-in with maybe 40 mile electric-only range, it could make sense for people who do most of their driving within that 40 miles, but would have the capability to go on longer trips, like an i3 REx.

  7. Lambo2015 Says:

    I’m actually a bit surprised that none of the manufacturers have considered something like the e-drive or similar approach as the Chevy Volt with a small diesel generator. Diesels are the perfect application for high torque with a set RPM. I would think they could use a smaller Diesel engine than gas to achieve that needed generator power. Maybe because of the emissions and noise.

  8. Kit Gerhart Says:

    It seems like no one combines diesels with any kind of hybrid, except for a Peugeot that will never see the light of day in the U.S.

    Yeah, probably emissions and noise are part of the reason, but maybe also the expense of combining two technologies, both of which add to cost. It would be interesting to know what a car like a Prius or Fusion hybrid would do with a diesel in place of their current Atkinson tuned gas engines.

    The only series hybrid sold in the U.S. is the plug-in i3 REx, which uses a 2 cylinder scooter engine, probably mainly because it is small and packages easily. A diesel should be good in that car, if it would fit. I’ve read that the i3 REx can “run out of juice” and slow down in mountains, when the battery is depleted. A small battery series hybrid, like Nissan e-power, would need a fairly big engine/generator to avoid that problem.

  9. FSTFWRD Says:

    @7 Lambo2015, I agree, have always thought that would be the way to go. Your car could be charging out in the parking lot while you are at work of running errands. A small diesel (or gas) powered generator should be very efficient. Maybe there is a good reason that this doesn’t work, I would like to know.

  10. Kit Gerhart Says:

    The only car sold in the U.S. that uses an ICE running a generator, without a direct connection from the ICE to the wheels, is the BMW i3 REx. When running on gas, it combines the inefficiencies of the ICE, the generator, and the electric motor. It does not get very good gas mileage for a hybrid, when running on gas, and is only equal to a conventional Honda Civic.

    http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=38229&id=38061&id=37309&id=38249

    From reports I have found, the real world mpg correlates fairly well with the EPA number.

    That is why {almost} no one makes series hybrids. The i3 REx is primarily for people who will do most of their driving on plug-in power, but want to be able to “go anywhere,” if the need arrises.

  11. JWH Says:

    #8 – Volvo has a hybrid diesel that is not sold in the U.S. https://www.topgear.com/car-reviews/volvo/v60-hybrid

    I’ve had diesel hybrid discussion with my brother over the last couple of years as it seems like a natural for economy reasons. Perhaps the initial on-cost or U.S. aversion to diesels (thanks to GM in the 80′s & VW currently) is a major barrier.

  12. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #11 JWH, thanks for the link. I didn’t know about that one. It looks nice, but would be pricey.

  13. Kit Gerhart Says:

    #11,12 I found that the V60 hybrid uses a regular diesel/autobox powertrain to the front wheels, and an electric motor/generator to the rear wheels, like the Peugeot CUV I remember reading about a while back. That sounds like a relatively simple way to make a hybrid version of various vehicles, and with good software, provide the good acceleration on ice that buyers of AWD cars crave.

  14. Chuck Grenci Says:

    I just viewed a Ford Ranger video and it sure looks very similar in size to the Colorado so it is definitely a mid-size pickup (by my eye). It looked nice, and feel, that it will go head to head with the Chevy once it expands its offerings. This will also suggests that the Chevy/Ford pickup fight will grow to include both sizes. So, any looking for a more compact truck will have to look elsewhere.

  15. Lambo2015 Says:

    #14 Chuck I posted the dimensions in Mondays comments and yeah the Ranger is within an inch in length, width, height and box length. At least for what is being sold in Mexico currently.
    As Ford takes the mid-size truck battle to GM I wonder how GM will respond to the Ford bringing the Bronco II back that is built on the Ranger platform. Maybe GM will bring back the Blazer or trailblazer or better yet the Typhoon and Cyclone.

  16. Lambo2015 Says:

    Just to show how the GM small truck has grown here is the Colorado compared to the S10
    S10 Colorado Diff
    Length 180.5 in 212-225 32-45
    Width 64.8 in 74-77 9-12
    Height 60.0 in 70 -72 10-12

  17. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Brand loyalty aside, the biggest difference between the GM and Ford “smaller” pickups, may be the powertrains. With Ford, you get a turbo 4/automatic. With GM, you can get a 4 or 6 cylinder, both NA, and can get a manual trans with the smaller engine.

  18. Lambo2015 Says:

    Sorry it took all the spacing out making it hard to read but basically the Colorado and similar new Ranger are about 32 to 45 inches longer
    9 to 12 inches wider and 10 to 12 inches taller and about 900lbs heavier. However apparently they dont offer the Colorado in a reg cab so thats comparing a 2WD base S10 to a 2wd base extended cab Colorado.

  19. Kit Gerhart Says:

    Yep, no Colorado regular cab, nor will there be a regular cab Ranger. My ’95 S-10 was the tidy regular cab, short bed, about the length of my Prius.