AAH #22 – Let’s Make a Deal

August 27th, 2009 at 9:42pm

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This week on After Hours it’s all about the numbers as we dig into Cash for Clunkers. But before we get to all that, we’ve got to review the week’s news including the departure of Jim Press from Chrysler and Ed Whitacre sending Fritz Henderson back to the drawing boards. In the studio to talk about everything is John McElroy along with the regulars, David Welch from BusinessWeek and Peter De Lorenzo the AutoExtremist. And, Skyping in from Santa Monica is guest panelist Jessica Caldwell from Edmunds.com, who has uncovered some great disparities in the numbers being reported by the government in the Clunkers program. All that, and we get to your questions in Rapid Fire.

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5 Comments to “AAH #22 – Let’s Make a Deal”

  1. Episode 217 - Clunker Sales Misleading, Chrysler Ends Partnership, New Hyundai Equus - Autoline Daily Says:

    [...] and compact cars were the big winners in the Clunkers program? You can get the full story by watching last night’s Autoline After Hours with sales analyst Jessica Caldwell at Edmunds on our website right [...]

  2. Sean T Says:

    It looks like the DOT data used the same “model” naming convention as FuelEconomy.gov. FuelEconomy.gov then breaks them down further by powertrain, which is probably a better differentiator than drivetrain (e.g. the difference between the 2.5L & 3.0L Escape is larger than the difference between a FWD & 4WD), but that’s another story. And it doesn’t mean they couldn’t have chosen to then regroup those differentiated by drivetrain, but it does appear to be the way they did it. If so, then I wonder if the FFVs were also separated (as they are on FuelEconomy.gov). If you believe this was intentional to make it look greener, then they probably did since many FFVs are larger vehicles (due to CAFE credits). That would break down the F-150 not only by 2WD/4WD, but also by FFV (5.4L is FFV, 4.6L is not).

    P.S. This also explains the “Focus FWD” naming convention — that’s what it’s called on FuelEconomy.gov. Why it’s called that is another question…

  3. Andrew Charles Says:

    There is practically no CAFE credit for FFVs, and that which does exist is going away in the next few years under the NHTSA proposal. FFV sales are better explained by regional preferences and the availability of ethanol fuel. Automakers even offer FFV engines as standard in states with good E85 availability, and non-FFV engines as standard in states that don’t.

  4. Sean T Says:

    1.2 mpg through 2014 (and then phasing down after that) is not “practically none”, especially when trying to comply with aggressive new CAFE / GHG standards. And with the Detroit 3 pledging half of their production as FFV by 2012, there is going to be a lot of FFVs regardless of E85 availability. Fleets who actually use a lot of E8 are different, and Section 177 (CA emissions) states may not get many FFVs, but for the rest of the FFV owners there still is a lack of E85 pumps (only up to 1% now).

  5. Sean T Says:

    oops, E8 should have been E85